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    Default Re: [4E] A City Alone OOC I

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavran View Post
    Everyone took a rest and whatever healing they wanted to, I've been operating under the assumption we're moving ahead.
    ditto - I thought we were going. Kriv said as much IC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meltheim View Post
    ditto - I thought we were going. Kriv said as much IC.
    Kriv asked for agreement that we're going to rescue Sven but he didn't say anything about "and now we go up the tunnel". Sathris is waiting, Hakka is preparing.
    As far as I know, the only one actually moving is DEN.
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    I think that's an artifact of everyone not wanting to set it off before everyone else has confirmed readiness. :P In any case, readiness confirmed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meltheim View Post
    Kriv
    "Huh, would have thought the Hydra would have put up a bigger fight. Anyway, what do we have here?"
    We dunno the name "Hydra". :P

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    Ah crap, pretend it says something else!

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    Can we tell anything more about the smoke's expansion? Still continuously pouring out of the cauldron?
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    Default Re: [4E] A City Alone OOC I

    And to clarify, are we in combat, or just doing initiative-based movement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavran View Post
    Can we tell anything more about the smoke's expansion? Still continuously pouring out of the cauldron?
    The smoke is continuing to billow forth, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meltheim View Post
    And to clarify, are we in combat, or just doing initiative-based movement?
    Good question.

    Let's say that you're in combat but that you have yet to identify the hostile or hostiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightgaun7 View Post
    Good question.

    Let's say that you're in combat but that you have yet to identify the hostile or hostiles.
    Ahh, smoke swarm!

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    Gavran, about First Strike ..

    FIRST STRIKE
    At the start of every encounter, you have combat advantage against any creatures that have not yet acted in that encounter.


    To me, I think if you had a good enough 'trigger' then your readied action would totally work as a First Strike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meltheim View Post
    To me, I think if you had a good enough 'trigger' then your readied action would totally work as a First Strike
    What he said.
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    I'm inclined to agree, but I can't think of a trigger that could conceivably work here, since I won't know where anything is unless it moves out of the smoke (on the same side as Sathris, for that matter) or even if the smoke clears enough before it does so, need to be sure it's hostile too.

    That's all fine of course, I'm more than willing to lose a sneak attack to get the opportunity to knife something trying to surprise us/not throw knives at something with no hostile intent.

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    I wonder if my Battlefront Shift is invalid now that we've 'rolled initiative' since that is my trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meltheim View Post
    I wonder if my Battlefront Shift is invalid now that we've 'rolled initiative' since that is my trigger.
    In this situation I would rule that you (and Gavran) can use your abilities the first round of actual combat. Optionally you could use it now to send DEN into the smoke or something.

    I'm sure there's a better way to handle both the narrative-to-initiative transition and these triggers but I'm trying to learn everything there is to know about hydrogeology before a job interview tomorrow.
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    In this particular case, I think you could've rolled the initiative secretly and like.. hm. If average bad guy initiative is higher than average PC initiative, it has the opportunity to jump out immediately. If average PC initiative beats average bad guy, then you don't tell us anything about initiative and it plays out from there. If we're paranoid and immediately assume the smoke is hostile or concealing hostiles, we're basically where we are now. If we continue as if nothing happened then we essentially waste our initiative (which is fine in a situation like this that's almost an ambush) and hostiles effectively gain the ability to act first.

    I don't really know though, just that it definitely tips your hand giving us initiative numbers.

    Good luck with the interview by the way. :)

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    I got the job. This will probably see an increase in posting, since now I'm not spending so much time looking for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightgaun7 View Post
    In this situation I would rule that you (and Gavran) can use your abilities the first round of actual combat. Optionally you could use it now to send DEN into the smoke or something.
    "Gosh, I wonder if that smoke is deadly poisonous. Let's send in the warforged to find out!"

    Also, re Sathris throwing knives at people who may not be hostile....you know, if you just go ahead and throw knives at them, they'll probably BE hostile.
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    There will be some technical difficulties while I figure out how a couple of different rules work, then I'll put up a post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightgaun7 View Post
    I got the job. This will probably see an increase in posting, since now I'm not spending so much time looking for one.
    YAY!

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    I got the job. This will probably see an increase in posting, since now I'm not spending so much time looking for one.
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    Hope the job is what you want it to be. :)

    Let's see; the bad guys won initiative? Or did they have a surprise round?

    Also they're not on the map. :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavran View Post
    Hope the job is what you want it to be. :)

    Let's see; the bad guys won initiative? Or did they have a surprise round?

    Also they're not on the map. :x
    Cauldron thing got an attack for Draj poking his nose too close.

    On the map. Will fix anything else up tomorrow.
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    Is there anything that will help me resist the Dominate (other than, perhaps, Sathris handing some Stabbity Death to the crone)? If not, I suppose DEN needs to go into the pit.

    I don't see that he'd have to "jump", rather than "climb"; if he does have to jump, I'd think he'd try to jump onto one of the humans, to soften his landing. ("Saving extra humans" is not part of his mission parameters).
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    DEN might appreciate this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Player's Handbook, page(s) 277
    Dominated
    The creature can’t take actions voluntarily. Instead, the dominator chooses a single action for the creature to take on the creature’s turn: a standard, a move, a minor, or a free action. The only powers and other game features that the dominator can make the creature use are ones that can be used at will, such as at-will powers. For example, anything that is limited to being used only once per encounter or once per day does not qualify.
    • The creature grants combat advantage.
    • The creature can’t flank.

    In spite of this condition, the creature’s allies remain its allies, and its enemies remain its enemies. If the dominator tries to force the creature to throw itself into a pit or to move into some other form of hindering terrain, the creature gets a saving throw to resist entering the terrain.

    A wide variety of creatures and powers can impose this condition. Just as in myth and legend, vampires and fey creatures are adept at controlling the minds of others, but the specific limitations of this condition prevent such creatures from forcing player characters to expend their best powers.
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    The hit-checker isn't working for me on the crone. :c

    And sorry the stabby took so long to deliver. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavran View Post
    The hit-checker isn't working for me on the crone. :c

    And sorry the stabby took so long to deliver. :P
    Hm, not sure what's gone wrong there. Maybe the formula got messed up somehow.
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    Yeah it got erased or something. I could try to fix it but I don't know where the relevant cells are hidden. :p

    Edit: Think that worked but without knowing the AC value I can't be sure. Is it exactly 24 by any chance? I can fix the rest if so.

    Editedit: Went ahead and applied it all (and my damage.) Pretty sure I got it working right.

    Triedit: Since it's a dominate DEN's desires don't particularly matter. You get the saving throw against dangerous terrain, and that's it really. Unless you have a power/feat/item that lets you attempt to shrug it off as a triggered action or arguably a free action (though that argument opens up a whole lot of other silly things.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavran View Post
    Yeah it got erased or something. I could try to fix it but I don't know where the relevant cells are hidden. :p

    Edit: Think that worked but without knowing the AC value I can't be sure. Is it exactly 24 by any chance? I can fix the rest if so.

    Editedit: Went ahead and applied it all (and my damage.) Pretty sure I got it working right.

    Triedit: Since it's a dominate DEN's desires don't particularly matter. You get the saving throw against dangerous terrain, and that's it really. Unless you have a power/feat/item that lets you attempt to shrug it off as a triggered action or arguably a free action (though that argument opens up a whole lot of other silly things.)
    I'm assuming you're attacking the crone, in which case I believe a 24 barely hits.

    You're correct, it's dominate not opinionate. If you are dominated into jumping, you can try to resist but you can't decide to get out your rope and pitons and do it that way.

    Also, for DEN, the 20 is the save to avoid jumping into the pit. You're still dominated until the end of the dominator's next turn. Charging isn't an option unless you're dominated into doing so or break it somehow. Just to clarify.

    Edit: Bugger, a bunch of my notes are missing from the spreadsheet I use to track stuff on my comp. That'll slow me down a little while I piece things back together, but should be back on track soon enough

    Hm, I had init set up in some clever way but it's gone and I can't quite recall what it was.
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    Gavran, I'm not quite sure how Sathris gets sneak attack damage there. What am I missing?
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    Default Re: [4E] A City Alone OOC I

    Probably not missing anything, I think there's just a bit of confusion all around. I was assuming CA from First Strike from your ruling that they'd apply to the first round of "actual combat."

    That's why I was asking about surprise rounds and initiative, and also why I decided to just void my readied attack rather than worry about how that worked into the initiative.

    If I didn't actually win initiative/this isn't actually the first round, feel free to take off the sneak attack damage.
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