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[D&D 3.5 PrC] Sword Saint
Hello all!
I've created this class just for fun and I'd like to hear some comments on it:)
The Sword Saint
Spoiler"The best techniques are passed on by the survivors..."
―Gaiden Shinji, Sword Saint
A Sword Saint is a swordsman who has reached a peak of unmatched skill in the use of his weapon of choice, switching between different combat styles in order to face different situations at best.
Prerequisites
Bab: +8
Feats: Combat Focus, Improved Critical (Any sword), Power Attack, Weapon Focus (Any sword).
Alignment: Any.
Hit Die: d10.
Class Skills: The Sword Saint’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Bluff (Cha), Craft (Int), Jump (Str), Knowledge (History) (Int), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Sense Motive (Wis), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str), Tumble (Dex).
Skill Points at each Level: 4+Int modifier
{table=head]Level|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Special
1st|+1|+2|+0|+2|Battle Instinct, Combat Styles
2nd|+2|+3|+0|+3|Strong Arms, Uncanny Dodge
3rd|+3|+3|+1|+3|Unerring Strike
4th|+4|+4|+1|+4|Gash, Improved Uncanny Dodge
5th|+5|+4|+1|+4|Weapon Mastery[/table]
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: sword saints are proficient with all simple and martial weapons.
Battle Instinct (Ex): The sword saint gains a bonus equal to +1/class level to his initiative. Moreover, once per round, when he would normally be hit with a melee weapon or natural attack, he may parry it so that he take no damage from it. He must be aware of the attack and not flat-footed. Attempting to parry a melee weapon or natural attack doesn't count as an action. The sword saint cannot parry attacks made from creatures that are more then one step bigger then him. A sword saint can parry an additional attack per round at 5th level.
Combat Styles: Sword saints use two different kind of combat styles. Each of these provide different kind of bonuses. Combat styles can only be used if the sword saint is wielding a sword one handed or two handed and he cannot use shields that require the use of the other hand.
The sword saint can change combat style with a move action.
The combat styles are:
Strong Style: To use this style the sword saint must wield his sword two handed. The bonus provided by the Power Attack feat increases by .5 times. (e.g. a sword saint wielding a longsword with one hand who takes a -2 penalty to attack roll will receive a +3 bonus on damage rolls; if the same sword saint would have wielded his longsword two handed, the bonus would have been +6). While using this combat style, the sword saint is considered to be in possess of the Great Cleave feat and can take a 5-foot step between attacks when using the Cleave or Great Cleave feat. He is still limited to one such adjustment per round, so he cannot use this ability during a round in which he has already taken a 5-foot step.
Swift Style: To use this style the sword saint must wield his sword one handed. When the sword saint take a full round attack action, he may take a 5 foot step that doesn't provoke attack of opportunity between one attack and another. This free steps cannot exceed his maximum speed. When he reach his maximum speed he stops where he is, but he can still finish his attack action. He also gain another attack at his maximum base attack bonus when taking a full round attack action but at a -2 penalty on the attack roll. This extra attack stacks with that provided by haste and similar effects.
Strong Arms (Ex): Starting at 2nd level, the sword saint add 1.5 times his Strenght modifier to damage rolls made when wielding a sword one handed and 2 times his Strenght modifier to damage rolls made made when wielding a sword two handed.
Uncanny Dodge (Ex): Starting at 2nd level, a sword saint can react to danger before his senses would normally allow him to do so. He retains his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if he is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, he still loses his Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized.
If a sword saint already has uncanny dodge from a different class (a sword saint with at least two levels of barbarian, for example), he automatically gains improved uncanny dodge (see below) instead.
Unerring Strike (Ex): Starting at 3rd level, the sword saint's mastery in swords fight prevent him to fall into the normal limits of other swordsmen. He no longer automatically fails an attack roll on a roll of 1. He might still fail the attack if his result fails to equal or beat the enemy's AC.
Gash (Ex): At 4th level and higher, the sword saint's attacks are so powerful that not even the hardiest opponent can resist them. The sword saint ignore 10 points of enemies' damage reduction, except for DR/Epic.
Improved Uncanny Dodge (Ex): A sword saint of 4th level or higher can no longer be flanked; he can react to opponents on opposite sides of him as easily as he can react to a single attacker. This defense denies to a rogue the ability to sneak attack the character by flanking him, unless the attacker has at least four more levels than the target does.
If a character already has uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class, the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge instead, and the levels from the classes that grant uncanny dodge stack to determine the minimum rogue level required to flank the character.
Weapon Mastery (Ex): At 5th level, the sword saint truly becomes a master in the use of his sword of choice. A 5th level sword saint choose one kind of sword that can be wielded both one and two handed, such as longsword, bastard sword, great sword or scimitar. Any attacks made with that weapon automatically confirm all critical threats and have their damage multiplier increased by 1 (×2 becomes ×3, for example). In addition, he cannot be disarmed while wielding a weapon of this type.
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I was also considering the possibility of adding in some special techniques tied to combat styles, usable a certain number of times per encounter (something like ToB maneuvers) but I couldn't think of something particulary innovative for the techniques: so far they were just feat and spells adaptations. If you guys have any idea (that is not "just go with ToB"), I'd like to hear it:)Last edited by CinuzIta; 2013-12-10 at 03:45 PM.
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2013-12-07, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [D&D 3.5 PrC] Sword Saint
Well, you pretty much have a weapon master in 5 levels. You deal more damage and pick up a couple of features to ignore save/suck situations. As a standard concept it is well executed for the most part but I think with the name something more mystical can be allowed if not encouraged. As such state a more specific one so proper abilities can be made. The only things I would really suggest changing is the automatic confirmation of critical threats. Instinctive Consummator is a psionic feat that when you expend your psionic focus the attack roll is rolled as a confirmation roll. It kind of begs PA spammable automatic hit unlimited times a day without charging and such. While even with a feat it takes a move action with in combat to refocus there are lots of ways to make it a swift or gain another one. Also the swift style is just more a bit more AC, damage scales a lot more.
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2013-12-07, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm aware of the "Kensai" part of the sword saint and I'm also aware that it evoke images of a lot of mystical abilities to someone who think about it, but with this I wanted to recreate a more mundane approach to that concept and try to make a class that represent someone that is just the best at wielding a sword...I don't have the presunction to say that I'm successful on all fronts (I'm sure there are better ways to be a better swordsman than this class), but I like the result and I'd like to remain as mundane as possible...that said, I'm always open to constructive criticism and techniques could change a thing or two anyway
The auto-crit confirmation is actually an ability taken from Pathfinder's fighter, so I didn't expected it to be one of the main concerns..
I'm also thinking about doubling the bonus on the swift style and grant whirlind attack feat instead of a plain +4 against AoO...I'm just unsure about granting this feat or the ability to strike multiple times the same target on AoO if he provoke them more than once (or to strike him just once, as usual, but with iterative attacks)...suggestions??Last edited by CinuzIta; 2013-12-07 at 07:11 PM.
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Re: [D&D 3.5 PrC] Sword Saint
First off, some cleanup: You sometimes use "he" for the character, and sometimes "she". Judging from the picture you chose, I'm guessing you meant "he" throughout. And a greatsword (which you list in the capstone ability) can't be wielded one-handed.
Also, the "special" requirement in the prereqs seems kind of redundant, since it's extremely unlikely that anyone would ever be interested in this class who wasn't proficient with all martial weapons already (including the longsword). Plus, you've already got the Weapon Focus feat in the requirements, and that requires proficiency, too.
On to the substance of it: The styles seem a little dry-- They mostly just give you bigger numbers. If it were just the first four levels, I don't think I'd consider this class. The capstone is pretty good, though, and that's probably enough to make it worthwhile.
Ordinarily, I'd warn against using a mechanic that increases the critical damage modifier, since that means vastly different things for different base multipliers. Here, though, it's probably OK, since it can only be used for swords, and so far as I know those are all the same multiplier (x2).
And I'm not quite sure what Mettle and a d12 HD is doing in there. It's a cool ability, to be sure, but I don't really see how it fits into the rest of the class. This is a class about using a weapon very skillfully, not a class about being tough and resilient.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2013-12-08, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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I ... really like this. The concept is one I really like, and one that I've tried to play as a fighter before; the mechanics are strong, and definitely give melees nice things. I would definitely play this if a DM allowed homebrew, unless ToB was also allowed.
That said, I can't tell if this is supposed to be a focus-on-one-weapon class (as evidenced by the prereqs and the capstone) or a general-weapons-master (as evidenced by unfocused abilities like Strong Arms and Unerring Strike). If you want the former, I'd suggest limiting all abilities to either a specific weapon, or any sword.
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2013-12-08, 01:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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1. Except of course you said it is for 3.5. Pathfinder doesn't have Instinctive Consummator. The point is the only condition you end up having to meet is whether or not it is in range, right? It also means a Scythe will have Power Attack bonus damage of 45 points per BAB they have.
2. Give them more mobility, extra five foot step or even make another attack a standard action attack instead when they meet certain conditions.
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2013-12-08, 05:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, that is right and it was one thing I noticed as well; what I wanted to do was to create a class that switch between one and two handed combat...I think this need to be better depicted and I'm gonna change the styles in order to better represent it!ah, forget...I now understand what you mean't (I also wonder how could I've got wrong, since it was pretty clear...well, I guess everyone get sleepy from time to time)...well, some abilities are clearly focused on a weapon of choice: that is the weapon that the sword saint has learned to use best. Other, like strong arms or unerring strike, are just representing the strenght or the ability of the character in striking his foes, so I thought about not limiting them with just one weapon..
1. I'm still unsure about it..I like it as a capstone and for a possible level 14 it doesn't seem all that broke to me...you also have to consider that not always psionics are allowed or available...
2. I've gave them something that is, in my opinion, cheesier! First post updated again! Also the feat prerequisites have been changed accordingly to changes made.Last edited by CinuzIta; 2013-12-08 at 08:30 AM.
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2013-12-10, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Shameless bump: orginal post updated with typos correction and some changes to the class' abilities.
Also, I'm still looking for opinions on swift style, unerring strike, weapon mastery and techniques..:)
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