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    Discussion of the Goblins Comic. We do it here.

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    Big Ears - Male Goblin Paladin. One of the protagonists of the story and current wielder of the axe.
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    Dri Featherknife - Female Human Rogue/Paladin. She was killed by Goblinslayer and Saral Caine after uncovering their plot to frame the sherrif of Brassmoon for murder.
    Flejj Hillmover - Male Dwarf. He fought Kore twice and survived. His family was not so lucky. He shaved his beard in shame.

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    Felsibeth "Soot" Blackbringer - Young Female Human Paladin. Youngest to ever wield the axe.
    Kelstride Blackbringer - Male Human Paladin. Soot's Father. Former chimney sweep. Killed by a Kobold stampede.
    Drose - Genderless Golem Paladin. Drose passed the Axe to Kelstride Blackbringer to prevent the demon imprisoned within from taking control of his body.
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    Mryorg* - Evil Male Ogre. Beat (but did not kill) Vilias Red in combat and took the Axe from her. Used it to cause great suffering before eventually giving it to Elad purely to make the demon contained within suffer after coming so close to freedom.
    Vilias Red* - Female Human Rogue. Was friends with Tivoth Fastfoot and took the axe after Tivoth died in battle with the intention of giving it to another Paladin.
    Tivoth Fastfoot - Male Paladin. Encountered Vilias Red looting a corpse and assumed she had murdered the man. Once he realized she was innocent, the two became friends and traveled together.

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    Kevitch Gritland* - Evil Male... formerly... Human maybe... Fighter/Wizard. Horribly mutated by an evil swamp. Killed Eldrock Cloudcry and claimed the axe as his own.
    Eldrock Cloudcry - Known in name only.

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    Cal - Male Gnome Paladin. Egotistic gambler. Had a powerful, icy magic effect.
    Jelbin Crae - Male Human Paladin. Gave Cal the Axe willingly. Nothing else is known.

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    Duly noting the new thread.
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    [nagging]My suggestion was better.[/nagging]
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    should have made the thread yourself then
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    Yeah, this thread title is a total jinx.

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    Yay, the phrase I liked was chosen to be the title! ^^
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    I just noticed that Forgath used Hold PERSON on Thac0 instead of Hold Monster. Is that accurate? Do goblins count as persons for that spell? It's been a long time since I played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kislath View Post
    I just noticed that Forgath used Hold PERSON on Thac0 instead of Hold Monster. Is that accurate? Do goblins count as persons for that spell? It's been a long time since I played.
    Hold Monster is the higher-leveled version that works on more things. Hold Person works on Humanoids (which goblins are) and Hold Monster works on everything that's alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kislath View Post
    I just noticed that Forgath used Hold PERSON on Thac0 instead of Hold Monster. Is that accurate? Do goblins count as persons for that spell? It's been a long time since I played.
    On a higher level of abstraction than the previous poster who actually knows the rules, who do you think Thaco is, a monster or a person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liliet View Post
    On a higher level of abstraction than the previous poster who actually knows the rules, who do you think Thaco is, a monster or a person?
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    Both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Math_Mage View Post
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    Both?
    Nooo! He's Good, he's not a monster!

    Or, if not Good, at least Neutral with strong morals. Not a monster anyway.


    Unless you count ALL living/unliving species as monsters, which does not make a lot of sense, really. The term does have a meaning, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liliet View Post
    Nooo! He's Good, he's not a monster!

    Or, if not Good, at least Neutral with strong morals. Not a monster anyway.


    Unless you count ALL living/unliving species as monsters, which does not make a lot of sense, really. The term does have a meaning, after all.
    In D&D 3.5, everything that's alive (and several things that aren't) are monsters. Well, except for humans. They don't appear in any monster manual.

    The term has a specific meaning in D&D. And alignment isn't part of that definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liliet View Post
    Nooo! He's Good, he's not a monster!

    Or, if not Good, at least Neutral with strong morals. Not a monster anyway.


    Unless you count ALL living/unliving species as monsters, which does not make a lot of sense, really. The term does have a meaning, after all.
    We are all in the Monster Manual somewhere, are we not? My entry lies between Elemental and Ethereal Filcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintRidley View Post
    In D&D 3.5, everything that's alive (and several things that aren't) are monsters. Well, except for humans. They don't appear in any monster manual.

    The term has a specific meaning in D&D. And alignment isn't part of that definition.
    I know! It doesn't suddenly start making sense, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liliet View Post
    I know! It doesn't suddenly start making sense, though.
    With regard to hold person vs hold monster(or the charm and dominate spells by the same names) what they really meant by monster is "hold non-Humanoid Type living creature (except the ones who are immune, lol.)"
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    "Hold Monster" is the name of the spell because "Hold Anything" sounds silly.

    Whenever a spell says "Person" in the name, it means 'Humanoid type creatures'. Which goblins are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Akuma View Post
    "Hold Monster" is the name of the spell because "Hold Anything" sounds silly.

    Whenever a spell says "Person" in the name, it means 'Humanoid type creatures'. Which goblins are.
    Well, it can't be hold anything, it can't hold non-creatures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liliet View Post
    I know! It doesn't suddenly start making sense, though.
    Well, you're free to call it the Creature Manual and use the Hold Creature spell, but beyond that, I don't really know what to tell you. The usage is practically as old as D&D--it has acquired legitimacy, if not sensibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marnath View Post
    With regard to hold person vs hold monster(or the charm and dominate spells by the same names) what they really meant by monster is "hold non-Humanoid Type living creature (except the ones who are immune, lol.)"
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    "Hold Monster" is the name of the spell because "Hold Anything" sounds silly.

    Whenever a spell says "Person" in the name, it means 'Humanoid type creatures'. Which goblins are.
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    Well, you're free to call it the Creature Manual and use the Hold Creature spell, but beyond that, I don't really know what to tell you. The usage is practically as old as D&D--it has acquired legitimacy, if not sensibility.
    You are all so serious I might start thinking about using blue color in my posts. Although that's stupid.

    I'm joking and at the same time expressing my opinion on Minmax-before-Kin's-birthday-style usage of the word "monster".

    It's not like I don't know how and why it is used.
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    You are all so serious I might start thinking about using blue color in my posts. Although that's stupid.
    Glad that I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

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    Personally, I love it when people misinterpret someone's sarcasm as being serious.
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    I generally try to be a good enough writer to get my tone of voice across, as well as a good enough reader to recognize it (or at least determine sarcasm based on the overall context). Having to openly declare that I'm being sarcastic just makes me think of the Elcor race from Mass Effect, who speak entirely monotone and declared their tone with every sentence ("Coquettishly: Who's the big handsome jellyfish?").

    Anyway, how 'bout them Goblins?
    Am I the only one who takes issue with Big Ears's "being a paladin sucks but I'm doing it so no one else has to" mentality? I usually think of paladins ultimately enjoying the class in the long run ("virtue is its own reward").
    ...or am I totally misremembering Big Ears's whole spiel?

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    I thought that that was more his commentary on detect evil rather than the paladin class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Am I the only one who takes issue with Big Ears's "being a paladin sucks but I'm doing it so no one else has to" mentality? I usually think of paladins ultimately enjoying the class in the long run ("virtue is its own reward").
    ...or am I totally misremembering Big Ears's whole spiel?
    BE wasn't complaining, he was responding to Chief's saying how sucky it must be.

    I don't know about enjoying paladinhood per se, I'd figure most have a "somebody has to do it" attitude without necessarily being bitter.

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    Guess I think of it as complaining about the class since I mostly remember it ending with "Why would anyone want to be a paladin?" and "So nobody else has to."
    I should probably look it up. Heck, an archive binge might be in order, given that people have repeatedly referred to a prophecy that I don't remember ever being in the comic.

    When I say "enjoying" paladinhood, my main thought is a paladin taking pride/joy from the good s/he is doing. Warm fuzzies that come from helping others and whatnot.
    Granted, that really depends on the setting and character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Guess I think of it as complaining about the class since I mostly remember it ending with "Why would anyone want to be a paladin?" and "So nobody else has to."
    I should probably look it up. Heck, an archive binge might be in order, given that people have repeatedly referred to a prophecy that I don't remember ever being in the comic.

    When I say "enjoying" paladinhood, my main thought is a paladin taking pride/joy from the good s/he is doing. Warm fuzzies that come from helping others and whatnot.
    Granted, that really depends on the setting and character.
    The Paladin could be a masochist and help others because its hurts him.

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    Chief was asking Big Ears how much it sucks to be a Tier 5 class. Why would you do it? Big Ears was responding that the DM needed one of them to be a paladin for the axe storyline, so he was going to take the hit and let the rest of them be better classes. Then Thaco picked monk, Fumbles picked suck and the whole plan went up in flames.

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