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    Default [3.5] Earliest at-will continual flight?

    I am thinking an afflicted lycanthrope were-eagle (or were-hawk) can do it at ECL 4 (1 class level, 1 animal hd, +2 LA). More conventionally Warlocks can get Fell Flight at level 6.

    Any ones I am missing? I don't mean "gliding" wings, but ones that can actually fly all day without the flier getting any more tired than walking all day.

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    Level two, I think. You can apply the divine minion template to any character, specifically divine minion of Isis, Nephthys, or Thoth for +1 LA, and all three allow you to wild shape into a bird form at will, as a free action, indefinitely.
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    Are you looking for a class that grants it? Race? Spell? Item?

    You could get a Feathered Wings graft from, I believe, Fiend Folio. Not sure if that's affordable/negotiable before Fell Flight, though.

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    Anthropomorphic bat (also raven) gets flight at 1 as I recall.

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    Winged template (Savage Species) on any race with no RHD or LA is ECL 3 at 1st level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olentu View Post
    Anthropomorphic bat (also raven) gets flight at 1 as I recall.
    It is an odd thing indeed that I'd forgotten the ever-wonderful anthropomorphic bat, given the extent to which I extol its virtues. Ah well. But yeah, you get 20 ft. average off of the anthropomorphic bat, and it has no LA or RHD.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Earliest at-will continual flight?

    Sparrow Hengyokai can do it at lv 1 with +1 or +0 LA depending which version you use

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    Incarnate (Magic of Incarnum) can get perfect flight w/ a 30ft speed by level 4 with Airstep Sandals. Your speed will increase incrementally as your essentia capacity goes up.

    You'll want to choose a race that has an essentia pool already like the Azurin or Duskling, and the Expanded Soulmeld Capacity feat; but you'll get what you need.
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    I'm not gonna lie, the main reason I look for high-op campaigns is to play anthropomorphic bat druids with dinosaur animal companions. Not even, like, because they're powerful, just because I think bats and dinosaurs and really cool and a weird little bat dude riding a dinosaur is even cooler.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Earliest at-will continual flight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xaotiq1 View Post
    Incarnate (Magic of Incarnum) can get perfect flight w/ a 30ft speed by level 4 with Airstep Sandals. Your speed will increase incrementally as your essentia capacity goes up.

    You'll want to choose a race that has an essentia pool already like the Azurin or Duskling, and the Expanded Soulmeld Capacity feat; but you'll get what you need.
    I thought those guys had to land at the end of each round or they fell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Winged template (Savage Species) on any race with no RHD or LA is ECL 3 at 1st level.
    the petal race can (arguably) get flight for the same LA, but with a bunch of other goodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    the petal race can (arguably) get flight for the same LA, but with a bunch of other goodies.
    Technically not a playable race though (LA +2 cohort).

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    Do races and templates count? Any Ex, SLA, Su limitations?

    Dragonborn with Wing Aspect gets it at level 6 without LA.

    Unseelie Fey gets it with LA0.

    Phaerimm hatchling at LA2 and 1 racial HD which can be replaced.

    The 3 dragons of Faerun (Steel, Mercury and I forgot the 3rd) gets flight at ECL 5 (or is it earlier?).

    Raptorian.

    Avariel elves.

    Is any of the above helpful?

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    Default Re: [3.5] Earliest at-will continual flight?

    Well Raptorans have that dreaded "glide" thing on their wings until they get some HD under their belts.

    The dragons were interesting. I guess one could add the Wyrmling White Dragon to the mix (3 HD, +2 LA) for completeness.

    But yes, its all helpful.

    I may retract my original afflicted lycanthrope as the control shape DCs are punitive for the character at low-level so I can't justifiably say it is at-will continual flight for a 2 HD character. Natural lycanthropes bump up the ECL to 5.

    I hadn't even considered the Anthro. Bat, or some of these other options. Very interesting!

    For some it would help to track down what books they may be found in. Avorial elves? Phaerimm hatchlings? Petals?

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    Petals = MM3
    Avariel = Races of Faerun
    Phaerimm = Lost Empires of Faerun

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    An air mephling gets 10ft (perfect) at ECL 2. A feat can improve that to 30 IIRC.
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    Default Re: [3.5] Earliest at-will continual flight?

    The Air Heritage feat in the same book as the Mephling (Planar Handbook) does indeed increase fly speed, although it's actually +30 to fly speed, so a total of 40ft in the case of an Air Mephling.

    It's a very handy feat for any creature with an innate fly speed, in fact.

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    Throw yourself at the ground and miss roll a natural 1. Since your target was the ground, and not one square on the ground (as D&D doesn't normally allow you to target one square on a very large creature), you miss the world, and are therefore flying. This method of flight has no side effects or prerequisites, and is guaranteed to be mostly harmless.
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    Default Re: [3.5] Earliest at-will continual flight?

    I know you were being facetious, but you would actually be rolling to attack the ground, rather than just contact it. You can avoid dealing damage to the ground; this says nothing about avoiding contact with it.

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    Hypothetically, Gliders (Raptoran, Dragonborn, Dragonblooded races with the Dragon Wings feat) can get pseudo-flight by level 3. Take 3 levels in Martial Adept class. On level 3, take Shadow Jaunt (whether normally as a Swordsage, or via the Extra Maneuver Known feat).

    You can now teleport 50 ft straight up every other round. E.g. With Swordsage, you teleport up 50 ft as a standard then glide 5 ft down as a move, glide 10 feet down while recovering as a full round (double move), teleport up 50 ft again. Every 2 rounds, you can gain 35 ft. Repeat until you attain desired height. This effectively lets you glide all day.

    Edit: actually, since Gloves of Shadow Hand grant maneuvers regardless of current level, this is actually doable for a level 1 Martial Adept, but requires more than WBL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post
    I know you were being facetious, but you would actually be rolling to attack the ground, rather than just contact it. You can avoid dealing damage to the ground; this says nothing about avoiding contact with it.
    Is there a way you can make a body slam/something similar as a touch attack?
    More seriously, if PF material is allowed, Greater Drow Nobility gives ulimited Levitation (not exactly flight, but a lot of it), as well as several other sometimes-useful Sp abilities at-will. With flaws or other tricks, it is doable at level 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeminiZero View Post
    Hypothetically, Gliders (Raptoran, Dragonborn, Dragonblooded races with the Dragon Wings feat) can get pseudo-flight by level 3. Take 3 levels in Martial Adept class. On level 3, take Shadow Jaunt (whether normally as a Swordsage, or via the Extra Maneuver Known feat).

    You can now teleport 50 ft straight up every other round. E.g. With Swordsage, you teleport up 50 ft as a standard then glide 5 ft down as a move, glide 10 feet down while recovering as a full round (double move), teleport up 50 ft again. Every 2 rounds, you can gain 35 ft. Repeat until you attain desired height. This effectively lets you glide all day.

    Edit: actually, since Gloves of Shadow Hand grant maneuvers regardless of current level, this is actually doable for a level 1 Martial Adept, but requires more than WBL.
    Would you still be able to glide while doing full round action to recover the maneuver?

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    Would you still be able to glide while doing full round action to recover the maneuver?
    That's actually a good question.

    I would argue yes, since gliding basically involves holding your wings still, while you focus your mind to recover your maneuvers... but the rules on what you can do while gliding are somewhat vague. GM might rule otherwise.

    Alternatively use a Warblade and pick up Shadow Jaunt from Shadow Hand Gloves or Extra Maneuver known. They can recover as a swift action.
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    I thought those guys had to land at the end of each round or they fell?
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    Unseelie Fey has a 50-50 chance of giving you a fly speed of twice your base land speed for 0 LA.
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    What book are unseelie fey? And I assume hengeyokai are oriental adventures?

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    What book are unseelie fey? And I assume hengeyokai are oriental adventures?
    Unseelie Fey are in Dragon Magazine #304, and yes (Hengeyokai were also updated in Dragon Magazine #318).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeminiZero View Post
    That's actually a good question.

    I would argue yes, since gliding basically involves holding your wings still, while you focus your mind to recover your maneuvers... but the rules on what you can do while gliding are somewhat vague. GM might rule otherwise.

    Alternatively use a Warblade and pick up Shadow Jaunt from Shadow Hand Gloves or Extra Maneuver known. They can recover as a swift action.
    Not quite so vague. Gliding is restricted Flying. So failing to have your minimum forward movement will cause you to stall (fall 150ft ft in the first round)

    Now you could go:
    Glide (move action)
    Shadow Jaunt (standard action)

    Glide (move action)
    Begin recharge (standard action)

    Complete recharge (standard action) [as per completing a full round action rules]
    Glide (move action)

    Result:
    Glide 3 turns per 1 teleport
    60ft forward, 15 ft down, 50ft teleport
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    90ft forward, 30 ft down, 50ft teleport
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karnith View Post
    Unseelie Fey are in Dragon Magazine #304, and yes (Hengeyokai were also updated in Dragon Magazine #318).
    Dragon Compendium contains an updated version of the Unseelie Fey template. That book also has an Errata file. Together, they provide the 3.5 update for this template. Unseelie Fey is a pretty economical (LA +0, but then as a Fey you have the problem of not qualifying for the "Humanoids and Class Levels" exchange) way to get flight, assuming you don't mind the "always Evil" alignment stipulation.

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