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    "Get past me? You'd have better luck moving a mountain, boy."


    The front lines are frightening, dangerous places. War is hell, but there's a major difference between descriptions heard from afar and witnessing it first-hand. A siege is worse, with constant attacks from all around and nowhere to retreat to. There are two main schools of thought when it comes to surviving such an assault; close off the mind and hope the enemy leaves, or weather the attack while making every attempt to make their lives a living nightmare. The Dreadnought is a warrior that mixes both, mastering the Sublime Way as an all-purpose tool of perfect defense. Which is not to say they can't fight back; after all, the best defense is, as they say, a good offense.


    Adventures: Dreadnoughts thrive in combat, where their innate talent in protection allows their allies a better chance to survive, perhaps enough to turn the tide and win. A dreadnought that isn't in a fight might just plan to start one, simply to show off their tremendous skills or out of a sort of hero-complex (depending on their personality).

    Characteristics: A dreadnought can often be noticed by his choice in equipment: large weapons, great shields, and imposing armor. However, this is not always the case; for some, their skill as a guardian can remain untapped until the fury of combat awakens them, revealing a stalwart defender where there once stood merely a focused mind.

    Alignment: The life of a dreadnought is often filled with war; depending on their outlook on how to be a part of it, they might be lawful (if of a more knightly persuasion), neutral (if a mercenary), or chaotic (most likely for a warlord) in equal amounts. Battle knows no morals, and so a dreadnought may be good, evil, or somewhere in-between.

    Religion: Dreadnoughts that take up a faith (whether out of a sense of duty or merely to pay lip service) often choose those of combat and protection; even among other races, Moradin and Gruumsh are paid homage by various dreadnoughts. Others take up the mantle of the likes of Heironeous and Hextor. Still, some dreadnoughts do not follow any particular god, instead focusing on the material and the present.

    Background: A dreadnought may first decide to take their first step by trial-and-error, practicing various techniques of defense until they achieve mastery. Others are trained by schools and academies, willing to lay down their lives for whatever cause they may have.

    Races: Humans are often all-too-willing to become a dreadnought, either from a belief in martyrdom or from a desire for conquest. Dwarves who wish to protect their clan more skillfully follow the Sublime Way through this path. Elves rarely prescribe to the style taught by dreadnoughts, preferring swift and deliberate action over what they see as needless time-wasting. Among the more monstrous races, Orcs and Hobgoblins can be found training to wear the mantle of such a class. Other large races, like Ogres and Trolls, would make excellent dreadnoughts, if only they had the patience and the diligence to do so.

    Other Classes: Barbarians, Fighters, and Paladins all see the dreadnought as a fellow brother-in-arms, although each of them also view him in an odd sort of way; after all, why would one willingly wish to get injured, or even find it positive to do so? The squishier classes, such as Wizards and Rogues, find dreadnoughts to be a tremendous boon, allowing them to utilize their special skills without fear of interruption or reprimand. Among other followers of the Sublime Way, the dreadnought is more in common with the Crusader (for his defense) and the Warblade (for his martial aptitude) than with the more overtly-supernatural Swordsage.

    Role: Dreadnoughts are front-line fighters, without a doubt. However, unlike more warriors, they put more emphasis into defense, as opposed to damage. The dreadnought uses a tower for a shield; the party uses the dreadnought for a shield.

    Adaptation: A dreadnought need not follow the Sublime Way. For those without access to the Book of Nine Swords, or for those that want a more traditional warrior, they could replace the martial training with a fighter's bonus feat progression. A more supernatural take on the class might see them gaining the ability to metaphysically stop their opponents from attacking, perhaps by granting them a small pool of spells from the Enchantment and Abjuration schools.


    GAME RULE INFORMATION
    Abilities: Constitution is your most important score, because it boosts your already-impressive toughness and your more spectacular abilities. Strength comes closely after, in order to make the most of your attacks and maneuvers. Wisdom is important to improve your Will save, as well as several of your skills.

    Hit Die: d12
    Starting Age: As Fighter (Moderate).
    Starting Gold: As Fighter (6d4x10 gp).

    Class Skills
    The Dreadnought's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Autohypnosis (Wis), Balance (Dex), Climb (Str), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge (History, Local, Nature, and Nobility) (Int, each taken separately), Listen (Wis), Martial Lore (Int), Profession (Wis), Spot (Wis), Survival (Wis), and Swim (Str).

    Skill Points at First Level: (4 + Int modifier) x 4

    Skill Points at Each Additional Level: 4 + Int modifier

    DREADNOUGHT
    Level Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Special Maneuvers Known Maneuvers Readied Stances
    1st
    +1
    +2
    +0
    +0
    Trained in Warfare, Bulwark, Sentinel (Protect), Power Attack 3 3 1
    2nd
    +2
    +3
    +0
    +0
    Amazing Reflexes, Endurance 4 3 1
    3rd
    +3
    +3
    +1
    +1
    Shieldbearer, Stymie Advancement 5 3 1
    4th
    +4
    +4
    +1
    +1
    Mettle, Uncanny Dodge 6 3 1
    5th
    +5
    +4
    +1
    +1
    Master of Shields, Sentinel (Reflex), Stand Still 6 4 2
    6th
    +6/1
    +5
    +2
    +2
    Armor Mastery (Medium), Shieldbearer, Improved Stymie Advancement 7 4 2
    7th
    +7/2
    +5
    +2
    +2
    Hold the Line, Powerful Build 7 4 2
    8th
    +8/3
    +6
    +2
    +2
    Black Armor of Fear, Improved Uncanny Dodge 8 4 2
    9th
    +9/4
    +6
    +3
    +3
    Sentinel (Evasion), Shieldbearer, Superior Stymie Advancement 8 5 3
    10th
    +10/5
    +7
    +3
    +3
    9 5 3
    11th
    +11/6/1
    +7
    +3
    +3
    Armored Terror (Shaken) 9 5 3
    12th
    +12/7/2
    +8
    +4
    +4
    Armor Mastery (Heavy), Shieldbearer, Perfected Stymie Advancement 10 5 3
    13th
    +13/8/3
    +8
    +4
    +4
    Sentinel (Medium) 10 6 4
    14th
    +14/9/4
    +9
    +4
    +4
    Fearless 11 6 4
    15th
    +15/10/5
    +9
    +5
    +5
    Shieldbearer 11 6 4
    16th
    +16/11/6/1
    +10
    +5
    +5
    Improved Black Armor of Fear 12 6 4
    17th
    +17/12/7/2
    +10
    +5
    +5
    Sentinel (Heavy) 12 7 5
    18th
    +18/13/8/3
    +11
    +6
    +6
    Shieldbearer 13 7 5
    19th
    +19/14/9/4
    +11
    +6
    +6
    Armored Terror (Helpless) 13 7 5
    20th
    +20/15/10/5
    +12
    +6
    +6
    Last Stand 14 7 5

    Class Features
    All of the following are class features of the Dreadnought.

    Weapon and Armor Proficiency: The dreadnought is proficient with simple and martial weapons, all armor, and all shields (including tower shields).

    Martial Known: You begin your career with knowledge of three martial maneuvers. The disciplines available to you are Adamant Soul, Army of One, Diamond Mind, Iron Heart, Iron Tortoise, and Stone Dragon. Once you know a maneuver, you must ready it before you can use it (see Maneuvers Readied, below). A maneuver usable by a dreadnought is considered an extraordinary ability unless otherwise noted in its description. Your maneuvers are not affected by spell resistance, and you do not provoke attacks of opportunity when you initiate one. You must meet a maneuver’s prerequisite to learn it.
    Upon reaching 4th level, and at every even-numbered dreadnought level after that (6th, 8th, 10th, and so on), you can choose to learn a new maneuver in place of one you already know. In effect, you lose the old maneuver in exchange for the new one. You can choose a new maneuver of any level you like, as long as you observe your restriction on the highest-level maneuvers you know; you need not replace the old maneuver with a maneuver of the same level. For example, upon reaching 10th level, you could trade in a single 1st-, 2nd-, 3rd- or 4th-level maneuver for a maneuver of 5th level or lower, as long as you meet the prerequisite of the new maneuver. You can swap only a single maneuver at any given level.

    Maneuvers Readied: You can ready all three of the maneuvers you know at 1st level, but as you advance in level and learn more maneuvers, you must choose which maneuvers to ready. You ready your maneuvers by exercising for 5 minutes. The maneuvers you choose remain readied until you decide to exercise again and change them. You need not sleep or rest for any long period of time to ready your maneuvers; any time you spend 5 minutes in practice, you can change your readied maneuvers. You begin an encounter with all your readied maneuvers unexpended, regardless of how many times you might have already used them since you chose them. When you initiate a maneuver, you expend it for the current encounter, so each of your readied maneuvers can be used once per encounter (until you recover them, as described below).
    You can recover an expended maneuver in two ways. The first is to successfully protect an ally with your Sentinel ability from all damage (as described below). The second is to take a full-round action focusing your mind and retreating into the calm of your thoughts, away from the chaos of battle. Doing either allows you to recover all of your expended maneuvers.
    You cannot initiate a maneuver or change your stance while you are recovering your expended maneuvers, but you can remain in a stance in which you began your turn.

    Stances Known: You begin play with knowledge of one 1st level stance from any discipline open to dreadnoughts. At 5th, 9th, 13th, and 17th level, you can choose additional stances. Unlike maneuvers, stances are not expended, and you do not have to ready them. All the stances you know are available to you at all times, and you can change the stance you are currently using as a swift action. A stance is an extraordinary ability unless otherwise stated in the stance description. Whenever you would gain an odd-numbered stance (at 9th and 17th levels), you may trade out a stance you know for a new one, much like with maneuvers.

    Trained in Warfare: A dreadnought may gain feats as a fighter of their level - 2 for the purpose of meeting prerequisites.

    Bulwark (Ex): Whenever the dreadnought fights defensively, they gain DR/Adamantine equal to their armor bonus to AC until they no longer fight defensively.

    Sentinel (Ex): Whenever one of the Dreadnought's allies is attacked, if there is an open space adjacent to that ally within the Dreadnought's speed, the Dreadnought may make a Reflex save against a DC equal to the attack roll. If the Dreadnought's save is successful, he moves up to his speed into an open space adjacent to the ally and takes the attack in place of his ally. When he does so, he may not use his move action to move on his next turn (though he may still take a 5-foot step). A Sentinel may not use this ability to cover more distance in a round than his speed, otherwise he may use it as often as he likes.
    At 5th level, a dreadnought may use their Reflex save against effects that allow one for half damage such as a dragon's breath weapon; success allows the dreadnought to take the option of suffering the full effects of the attack, but treats their protected ally as though they had made a successful Reflex save. At 9th level, whenever the dreadnought uses Sentinel, the ally protected is treated as having Evasion until the Sentinel ends. At 13th level, the dreadnought gains Evasion himself, and may use it even in medium armor or while under medium encumbrance. At 17th level, the dreadnought may use his Evasion even in heavy armor or while under heavy encumbrance.

    Power Attack: The dreadnought gains this feat as a bonus feat at 1st level.

    Amazing Reflexes: The dreadnought gains Combat Reflexes, Dodge, and Lightning Reflexes as bonus feats at 2nd level.

    Endurance: The dreadnought gains this feat as a bonus feat at 2nd level.

    Shieldbearer: At 3rd level and every three levels afterwards (6th, 9th, 12th, 15th, and 18th), the dreadnought gains a bonus feat from the following list: Active Shield Defense, Block Arrow, Defensive Strike, Formation Expert, Improved Shield Bash, Phalanx Fighting, Shield Charge, Shield Slam, Shield Sling, Shield Specialization, Shield Wall, and Shield Ward. You must meet all prerequisites for the feat in question.

    Stymie Advancement (Ex): A dreadnought is the master of their immediate surroundings, forcing his foes to face him instead of his allies. Beginning at 3rd level, whenever an opponent begins his turn in a space threatened by the dreadnought, they treat all spaces threatened by the dreadnought as difficult terrain.
    At 6th level, the dreadnought may use a reach weapon to strike at foes adjacent to them (meaning that they also threaten these spaces when wielding such a weapon). At 9th level, opponents treat all spaces threatened by a dreadnought as difficult terrain, regardless of their location. At 12th level, even the air around the dreadnought is filled with his power; flying foes treat the space above any space that the dreadnought threatens as difficult terrain as well.

    Mettle (Ex): Beginning at 4th level, by drawing on your experience and ferocity in combat, you can brush aside effects that would hinder or cripple less hardy souls. If you succeed on a Fortitude or Will save against an attack that would normally produce a lesser effect on a successful save (such as a spell with a saving throw entry of Will half or Fortitude partial), you instead negate the effect. You do not gain the benefit of Mettle when you are unconscious or sleeping.

    Uncanny Dodge (Ex): At 4th level and above, a dreadnought retains his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if he is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, he still loses his Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized. If a dreadnought already has uncanny dodge from a different class, he automatically gains improved uncanny dodge (see below) instead.

    Master of Shields (Ex): Upon reaching 5th level, a dreadnought no longer suffers from the Armor Check Penalty from wielding any kind of shield, including tower shields.

    Stand Still: The dreadnought gains this feat as a bonus feat at 5th level.

    Armor Mastery (Ex): At 6th level, a dreadnought is able to move in their armor so naturally that they ignore the standard speed reduction for wearing medium armor. At 12th level, the dreadnought ignores the speed reduction of heavy armor as well.

    Hold the Line: The dreadnought gains this feat as a bonus feat at 7th level.

    Powerful Build (Ex): A dreadnought's training allows them to function in many ways as if they were one size category larger. Beginning at 7th level, whenever you are subject to a size modifier or special size modifier for an opposed check (such as during grapple checks, bull rush attempts, and trip attempts), you are treated as one size larger if doing so is advantageous to you. You are also considered to be one size larger when determining whether a creature’s special attacks based on size (such as improved grab or swallow whole) can affect you. You can use weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty. However, your space and reach remain those of a creature of your actual size.

    Black Armor of Fear (Ex): A dreadnought of 8th level and above gains an insight bonus to Intimidate equal to the AC bonus they gain from wearing armor, including any magical enhancements upon it. At 16th level, the insight bonus increases to being equal to their bonus to AC they gain from any source.

    Improved Uncanny Dodge (Ex): At 8th level and higher, a dreadnought can no longer be flanked; he can react to opponents on opposite sides of him as easily as he can react to a single attacker. He cannot be the target of a sneak attack from flanking unless the attacker has an effective rogue level of four higher than the dreadnought's class level.
    If a character already has uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class, the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge instead, and the levels from the classes that grant uncanny dodge stack to determine the minimum level a rogue must be to flank the character.

    Armored Terror (Ex): Beginning at 11th level, a dreadnought radiates a 5-foot-radius fear aura as a free action. Enemies in the area must succeed on a Will save (DC 5 + 1/2 his class level + his Intimidate modifier) or become shaken for 1d6 rounds. A creature who successfully saves cannot be affected by that dreadnought's fear aura for 24 hours.
    At 19th level, foes who would become shaken instead become helpless for 1d6 rounds.

    Fearless (Ex): At 14th level, the dreadnought becomes immune to fear effects.

    Last Stand (Ex): Upon reaching 20th level, a dreadnought may, once per day, declare a Last Stand for himself. Upon declaring a last stand, the dreadnought automatically confirms all confirms all critical hits, and the critical damage multiplier for their weapons increases by one step. In addition, the dreadnought does not die until they reach an amount of negative HP equal to their Constitution score (not modifier). A last stand lasts a number of rounds equal to the dreadnought's Constitution modifier.



    Alright, so how's this? It's my first attempt at making a Tome of Battle-style class, and one about defense, to boot. I'm all ears for advice and critiquing!
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    It works but I would personally still use the Crusader over this. While the AC is nice without penalty and taking hits for your buddies are great the Crusader not only has a better mechanic to fight better by numbers using the same tactic it is more survivable and more distracting because of the Devoted Spirit maneuvers. I also don't find this character to be all that unavoidable. Difficult terrain at 12 level is a bit late at that point even the most feat starved Uberchargers are jumping over it. You are also still very beatable in the combat maneuver department and the last thing a melee control guy wants is being subject to his own tactics. The feats aren't that thrilling as well at least throw in some of the bread and butter control feats(combat reflexes, improved trip, stand still..etc). Finally, you have poor reflex saves with big armor so you taking AoE's effects for your allies isn't going to happen all that often, maybe replace it with fortitude.
    It isn't that you have a bad class by any stretch it just lacks a bit in what I think you are trying to accomplish.
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    Ditto what Amnoriath said. Combat Reflexes/Stand Still would be a good addition to this class. Power Attack/Cleave might add some ummph to the offense, and free up regular Feat slots that might otherwise be used for them.
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    Alright thanks for the info. I've added a couple of bonus feats spread into the class, as well as improving the Stymie Advancement line. Unfortunately, this means there is a very dead level at 11th. Does anyone have an idea on what to fill it with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam1949 View Post
    Alright thanks for the info. I've added a couple of bonus feats spread into the class, as well as improving the Stymie Advancement line. Unfortunately, this means there is a very dead level at 11th. Does anyone have an idea on what to fill it with?
    Make demoralization easier as an action as you get a huge bonus to Intimidate over the levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam1949 View Post
    You can recover an expended maneuver in two ways. The first is to successfully protect an ally with your Sentinel ability from all damage (as described below). The second is to take a full-round action focusing your mind and retreating into the calm of your thoughts, away from the chaos of battle. Doing either allows you to recover a number of expended maneuvers equal to half your class level (minimum one).
    This recovery method is kind of crappy. Let them recover all of their expended maneuvers in either case. As it stands, their recovery is worse than both the Crusader's and the Warblades. But if you allow full recovery, then with allies at least, they get their own comparable recovery method.

    Bulwark (Ex): As a free action once per turn, a Dreadnought can declare themselves to enter a state of protection, sacrificing their offensive capabilities in order to more successfully avoid injuries. They may choose to take a penalty to all damage they would deal with a weapon this round equal to any amount between one and the maximum amount of damage their currently readied weapon could could deal (this maximum includes any bonuses from two-handing a weapon, their strength modifier, or from magical effects, but not including any damage multipliers from a critical hit), in return gaining a bonus to their AC equal to half of that amount until the beginning of their next turn. If they currently have two weapons readied at once, the maximum penalty they may take is equal to the combined maximum damage of their weapons (wielding a weapon and a shield counts as two weapons for this purpose). The dreadnought may only use this ability before making any attacks with a weapon, not after (casting a spell, or using a different method of dealing damage such as a breath weapon, does not prevent the use of this ability).
    At 10th level, this bonus becomes equal to the penalty taken to damage.
    This doesn't actually help you tank very much and is really pretty cheesy. At first level you're looking at up to +9 to AC if they're willing to reduce their weapon damage to 0. And it only gets egregiously worse from there. I would replace this ability with something else entirely.

    What about reducing all damage dealt to him by an amount equal to his armor bonus to AC whenever he fights defensively?

    Sentinel (Ex): As a free action once per turn, a dreadnought may announce that they are defending an ally with their body, willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of their compatriot. In order to successfully do so, the dreadnought must be adjacent to said ally, and the ally must be willing to be guarded in such a manner. At the beginning of the dreadnought's next turn, or if either the dreadnought of the ally move before then, the Sentinal ability ends.
    If the ally currently under the sentinel of the dreadnought would ever be struck by an attack that targets AC (including Touch AC), they may use the AC of the dreadnought to see if the attack would actually get through. If the attack roll was high enough to still penetrate the dreadnought's AC, the dreadnought suffers the damage and effects of the attack instead of the ally.
    At 5th level, a dreadnought may use their Reflex save against effects that allow one for half damage such as a dragon's breath weapon; success allows the dreadnought to take the option of suffering the full effects of the attack, but treats their protected ally as though they had made a successful Reflex save. At 9th level, whenever the dreadnought uses Sentinel, the ally protected is treated as having Evasion until the Sentinel ends. At 17th level, the dreadnought may activate Sentinel to protect all of his allies he is adjacent to (Though he is not required to). At 17th level, the dreadnought gains DR X/Adamantine as long as Sentinel is active, where X is half of his AC, rounded down.
    This ability is incredibly limited. First, neither the Dreadnought nor the protected ally can move at all. Awful. Second, the ability only protects a single ally at a time until 17th level. That's when 9th level spells are coming to the board. It has got to be more useful than that. I suggest the following:

    Sentinel (Ex): Whenever one of the Dreadnought's allies is attacked, if there is an open space adjacent to that ally within the Dreadnought's speed, the Dreadnought may make a Reflex save against a DC equal to the attack roll. If the Dreadnought's save is successful, he moves up to his speed into an open space adjacent to the ally and takes the attack in place of his ally. When he does so, he may not use his move action to move on his next turn (though he may still take a 5ft step). A Sentinel may not use this ability to cover more distance in a round than his speed, otherwise he may use it as often as he likes.

    At 5th level, the Reflex thing, but again, allow the Dreadnought to move and protect an ally in need. At 9th, the Dreadnought does not automatically suffer the full effects and himself gains Armored Evasion. He may also move normally on his next turn. At 13th, the Dreadnought gains Improved Armored Evasion. At 17th, uh, I dunno, I'm sure you'll think of something.

    This way, he doesn't have to declare he's defending one guy, and he and the allies he protects have more freedom to move and to act.

    Endurance: The dreadnought gains this feat as a bonus feat at 2nd level.
    Kind of worthless, but I get it, sleeping in armor. Maybe replace Bulwark with this for 1st level. You could put that DR/resistance ability at 2nd level if you like it.

    Shieldbearer: At 3rd level and every three levels afterwards (6th, 9th, 12th, 15th, and 18th), the dreadnought gains a bonus feat from the following list: Block Arrow, Improved Shield Bash, Shield Charge, Shield Slam, Shield Sling, Shield Specialization, Shield Wall, and Shield Ward. You must meet all prerequisites for the feat in question.
    I got the idea that these guys wielded two-handed weapons from the fluff, but I actually like that they wield shields. It definitely helps with that "blocking dragon's breath" vibe. The Armored Evasion I suggested above should work only while he wields a shield.

    Maybe make the bonus feats 3rd and every 4th level thereafter (3rd, 7th, 11th, 15th, and 19th)?

    But on the topic of using large weapons, maybe the Dreadnought should gain Powerful Build? Or the ability to use two-handed weapons in one hand without a penalty to attack rolls? Because...

    Stymie Advancement (Ex): A dreadnought is the master of their immediate surroundings, forcing his foes to face him instead of his allies. Beginning at 3rd level, whenever an opponent begins his turn in a space threatened by the dreadnought, they treat all spaces threatened by the dreadnought as difficult terrain.
    Definitely make that 11th level ability just come online right here at 3rd.

    At 7th level, the dreadnought may use a reach weapon to strike at foes adjacent to them (meaning that they also threaten these spaces when wielding such a weapon).
    ...There are very few reach weapons a character can use in one hand (y'know, while holding a shield in the other). That ability to wield two-handed weapons in one hand could come in... handy.

    Anyway, hafted strikes should be a really basic ability that doesn't come at 7th level. This can also be part of the 3rd level ability.

    At 11th level, opponents treat all spaces threatened by a dreadnought as difficult terrain, regardless of their location.
    Not sure what to suggest to replace this with here if not the bonus feats I suggested earlier.

    Armor Mastery (Ex): At 6th level, a dreadnought is able to move in their armor so naturally that they ignore the standard speed reduction for wearing medium armor. At 12th level, the dreadnought ignores the speed reduction of heavy armor as well.
    I would just let them ignore the speed restriction of any armor at 6th level. Medium armor sucks. You're either using light or heavy armor.

    Black Armor of Fear (Ex): A dreadnought of 8th level and above gains an insight bonus to Intimidate equal to the AC bonus they gain from wearing armor, including any magical enhancements upon it. At 16th level, the insight bonus increases to being equal to their bonus to AC they gain from any source.
    This is interesting. Could be doubly so if they ever got any in-class synergy with fear effects.

    Fearless (Ex:) at 14th level, the dreadnought gains a +6 bonus against fear effects. At 19th level, the dreadnought becomes immune to fear effects.
    Way too late to the party. Consider replacing these with something more appropriate to a high-level character. Maybe at 14th another fear-based ability? (19th could already be filled by a bonus feat if you go that route).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziegander View Post
    This recovery method is kind of crappy. Let them recover all of their expended maneuvers in either case. As it stands, their recovery is worse than both the Crusader's and the Warblades. But if you allow full recovery, then with allies at least, they get their own comparable recovery method.
    Yeah, I wasn't dead-set on the recovery method either. I'll change it to what you suggested.

    This doesn't actually help you tank very much and is really pretty cheesy. At first level you're looking at up to +9 to AC if they're willing to reduce their weapon damage to 0. And it only gets egregiously worse from there. I would replace this ability with something else entirely.
    What about reducing all damage dealt to him by an amount equal to his armor bonus to AC whenever he fights defensively?
    My math isn't the best, I'll admit, and my cheese-o-meter didn't get set off by this. I like your take on it a lot more, to be honest; much more elegant and simple.

    This ability is incredibly limited. Neither the Dreadnought nor the protected ally can move at all. Awful. I suggest the following:

    Sentinel (Ex): Whenever one of the Dreadnought's allies is attacked, if there is an open space adjacent to that ally within the Dreadnought's speed, the Dreadnought may make a Reflex save against a DC equal to the attack roll. If the Dreadnought's save is successful, he moves up to his speed into an open space adjacent to the ally and takes the attack in place of his ally. When he does so, he may not use his move action to move on his next turn (though he may still take a 5ft step). A Sentinel may not use this ability to cover more distance in a round than his speed, otherwise he may use it as often as he likes.
    At 5th level, the Reflex thing, but again, allow the Dreadnought to move and protect an ally in need. At 9th, the Dreadnought does not automatically suffer the full effects and himself gains Armored Evasion. He may also move normally on his next turn. At 13th, the Dreadnought gains Improved Armored Evasion. At 17th, uh, I dunno, I'm sure you'll think of something.
    This way, he doesn't have to declare he's defending one guy, and he and the allies he protects have more freedom to move and to act.
    Huh. Never thought of it like that.

    But on the topic of using large weapons, maybe the Dreadnought should gain Powerful Build? Or the ability to use two-handed weapons in one hand without a penalty to attack rolls? Because... there are very few reach weapons a character can use in one hand (y'know, while holding a shield in the other). That ability to wield two-handed weapons in one hand could come in... handy.
    That is a very good point. I was just unsure as to whether Powerful Build was fair to give a class. 7th level ability, right there!

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    Huh. Never thought of it like that.
    If you give the class good Reflex saves, then you're looking pretty good.
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    Included "Master of Shields" and several other goodies to the class.

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    I like it. Looks like it would pair well with a crusader or other heavy attack type. Definetly going to use this.

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