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    Default Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIV

    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef LIV. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. Please refrain from using Taint unless it's necessary for the Secret Ingredient.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Tuesday, February 25th, 2014 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Kuulvheysoon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Tuesday, March 11th, 2014 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not. In that same vein, drawing solely from the Core 3 (and the d20 SRD) should not be punished for lacking Originality.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Dragon Magazine Compendium's Osteomancer!
    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

    Allez, optimiser!

    Contestants

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    The Builds

    Past Competitions

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    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
    Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
    Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
    Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
    Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
    Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
    Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
    Iron Chef XL: Nightsong Infiltrator
    Iron Chef XLI: Geomancer
    Iron Chef XLII: Shadowblade
    Iron Chef XLIII: Bladesinger
    Iron Chef XLIV: Urban Soul
    Iron Chef XLV: Talon of Tiamat
    Iron Chef XLVI: Cipher Adept
    Iron Chef XLVII: Cold Iron Warrior
    Iron Chef XLVIII: Shadow Sun Ninja
    Iron Chef XLIX: Thrall to Orcus
    Iron Chef L: Corrupt Avenger

    Iron Chef LI: Black Flame Zealot
    Iron Chef LII: Anointed Knight
    Iron Chef LIII: Zerth Cenobite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    FAQ:
    What's this even about? I'm glad you asked, actually...

    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes (as well as its Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines and the Retraining options presented in the PHB2 are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Kuulvheysoon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is mechanically illegal by the RAW, the judge may give the build a score of 0 in Elegance, and proceed to judge the entry as if the offending material was not included. Failing to meet a special requirements for a prestige class does not merit a 0, but may qualify for a penalty, at the judge's discretion. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.

    Avatar by Iron Penguin.

    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    That'll be interesting

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    Didn't see this one coming . . .

    Does this mean we all got "boned?"

    I'm in of course one way or the other.

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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIV

    Oh, my. Let's do this thing.

    Competing.

    EDIT: I'm asking for a general ruling on how this PrC would work with Races/Templates that don't have a skeletal structure, or have an exoskeleton, because someone has to be that guy.
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    I am in, I just made an Osteomancer build for an NPC in my regular D&D group, I'm all for it. I'll be competing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    EDIT: I'm asking for a general ruling on how this PrC would work with Races/Templates that don't have a skeletal structure, or have an exoskeleton, because someone has to be that guy.
    If that was directed at me... well. Okay then. =)

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    Put me in on this one. Never seen the class before, but just looking at it gives me some cool ideas.

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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIV

    was about to ask that as well

    got another question

    Improved Natural Strike ... is Bone spurs enough specification or should it be spiked hands / armor spikes?

    Allready got an interesting core idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin View Post
    If that was directed at me... well. Okay then. =)
    Not specifically, though I certainly did recall the gelatinous cube entry as I was hitting 'submit reply.'
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    Count me in. If I can get a meal.
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    oh um I have to think
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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIV

    Quote Originally Posted by Sian View Post
    was about to ask that as well

    got another question

    Improved Natural Strike ... is Bone spurs enough specification or should it be spiked hands / armor spikes?

    Allready got an interesting core idea
    The class explicitly says both that they are treated as spiked gauntlets/armor spikes and that they are natural weapons.

    I'm guessing they work sort of like a monk's unarmed strikes, in a sort of limbo between natural and manufactured where they count as natural weapons for the purposes of effects, but they can make iterative attacks or whatever. You can't treat them as manufactured for the purposes of spells though.

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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIV

    This is an interesting one. Tentative entry; I should be able to wrangle something interesting.

    Since we're seeking clarifications, does seize the core have a duration, or is it permanent like a lich's touch?
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    [Takei]Oh my.[/Takei]

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    This is an interesting one. Tentative entry; I should be able to wrangle something interesting.

    Since we're seeking clarifications, does seize the core have a duration, or is it permanent like a lich's touch?
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    actually ... got a closer clarification on Bone Spurs

    how does it's Armor spikes handle wearing armor allready?

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    Well that was unexpected.

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    Clarification please: in the PRC it says

    Spells: Ability to cast at least three transmutation spells, one of which must be 1st level or higher.
    in previous competition shadow sun ninja a ruling was given for maneuvers

    How many maneuvers do I need to qualify? While it implies that you need three (One Shadow Hand/Setting Sun maneuver of 2nd level, one Setting Sun of any level and one Shadow Hand of any level), I'm ruling that 2nd level definitely qualifies as any level. So you need (at least) 1 Setting Sun/Shadow Hand maneuver of 2nd level, and one maneuver of the other discipline of any level to qualify.
    as this is close to that I thought a ruleing could be made on it.

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    Clarification please: in the PRC it says
    The Shadow Sun Ninja entry could be read multiple ways, but this seems pretty straitforward. You need to be able to cast three transmutation spells. One of those three has to be at least 1st level (so you can't qualify with just 3 transmutation cantrips).

    The chairman can rule as he sees fit, of course.
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    For a final clarification, are the bone spurs considered to be one weapon for the purposes of this competition?
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    I'm considering entering for first time, but I'm confused on some things. Are Competitors obligaed to use the entire class (all 10 levels)?
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    I'm considering entering for first time, but I'm confused on some things. Are Competitors obligaed to use the entire class (all 10 levels)?
    No, but the judges may penalize you for not using all 10 levels.
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    And why wouldn't you want to be able to liquify someone's bones?
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    The self-absorbed side of me thinks this was chosen just to rile me up, given the mud I was slinging at DMC in our last round. Care to share reasons for selection, or should we wait until after the Reveal?

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    No, but the judges may penalize you for not using all 10 levels.
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    And why wouldn't you want to be able to liquify someone's bones?
    True that! Was just curious, is all. Never Paid much mind to IronChef, never had a Secret Ingredient that appealed to me.
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    The class explicitly says both that they are treated as spiked gauntlets/armor spikes and that they are natural weapons.

    I'm guessing they work sort of like a monk's unarmed strikes, in a sort of limbo between natural and manufactured where they count as natural weapons for the purposes of effects, but they can make iterative attacks or whatever. You can't treat them as manufactured for the purposes of spells though.
    This would be how I view them/it.

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    This is an interesting one. Tentative entry; I should be able to wrangle something interesting.

    Since we're seeking clarifications, does seize the core have a duration, or is it permanent like a lich's touch?
    It would indeed appear to be permanent.
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    The Shadow Sun Ninja entry could be read multiple ways, but this seems pretty straitforward. You need to be able to cast three transmutation spells. One of those three has to be at least 1st level (so you can't qualify with just 3 transmutation cantrips).

    The chairman can rule as he sees fit, of course.
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    For a final clarification, are the bone spurs considered to be one weapon for the purposes of this competition?
    What do you mean by 'one weapon'? If you mean 'one weapon' for the purposes of magic fang, INA and the like, RAW indicates that it is.
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    The self-absorbed side of me thinks this was chosen just to rile me up, given the mud I was slinging at DMC in our last round. Care to share reasons for selection, or should we wait until after the Reveal?
    Well, as some people guessed, there was a half-caster coming up. I'll admit that your rail against DMC did contribute (by making me take a closer look at it, I mean), but ultimately, I chose this because it makes a good ingredient. It was between Osteomancer and [REDACTED], but I figured that the other was too close to another ingredient, so it got put on the back burner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon View Post
    What do you mean by 'one weapon'? If you mean 'one weapon' for the purposes of magic fang, INA and the like, RAW indicates that it is.
    What about something like (purposefully referencing something that pretty much can't be used here to avoid speculation) the Black Blood Cultist 8 ability that deals damage as if by all your natural weapons? Do you just deal 'bone spur' damage once, or do you deal damage with both the spiked gauntlet and the armor spike bits?

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    haha not a PrC i've come across before, crazy ingredient! expressing interest if time permits...

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    Spheres to the wall or not at all, right?
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