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    Default What Monks are really good at

    OK, Monks have some very special traits.

    They get 4 skill points per level and have
    Sense Motive, Listen, an Spot, Wisdom based skills.
    They have Concentration, a Con based skill.

    They get Wisdom and Dex to AC, plus they are good at unarmed combat.
    They get improved Grapple as a bonus feat, if they want it.

    So they are intended to be good at observing thing.
    They have concentration so they won't get distracted.

    They have good saves, and become immune to natural disease and poison.

    This can only mean they are intended to spend long periods of time observing in an area that in not very sanitary. They need to be good at fighting where there are no weapons or armor, and they need to be good at grappling, something that is only useful when you already have overwhelming force on your side AND you need to restrain your target without hurting them.

    They also are in a class that penalizes you for leaving it, unless to specialize.

    At the height of their profession, they are no longer considered human.

    Monks are prison guards.

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    Heh. You're right.

    1/day Dimensional door in case a prisoner steals his keys.
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    One of those prison tropes is that when prisoners escape, they capture a guard and steal his weapon. Guess what monk's don´t have/need.

    But by that same logic, they also make great prison escapees. Be an evil monk, commit a crime, find your lost friend in prison and escape.
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    What Monk class skills benefit from concentration?

    *found heal when used to stabilize a dying friend anything else?
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    Well done, sir. Bravo.
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    I beg to disagree! I firmly believe that Monks are naturally designed to be Zookeepers!

    1. Monks are good at fighting unarmed. This suggests that his line of work will not normally use weapons. Probably a job where hurting creatures isn't the first course of action.

    2. Monks move fast. They likely work in an environment where running away or getting distance from something/someone is an essential skill.

    3. Monks have immunity to natural diseases and poisons. This suggests a line of work that heavily deals with creatures that contracts these afflictions naturally.

    4. Monks have an ability that is practically mercy killing with his palm, and this ability must always target a creature not immune to critical hits.

    5. Monks have an ability that keeps their physical condition despite old age. This suggests a line of work that is inherently active and physical in nature.

    6. Monks have the ability to reduce non-magical damage, which is perfect in a line of work where you could get attacked (accidentally or not) via natural weapons.

    7. Monks have the ability to speak with any creature, which suggest a line of work where he needs to understand, or need to be understood by, the creature in question.

    8. Monks have Swim, Jump, Climb, and Tumble, suggesting a line of work with a terrain composed of steep elevations and bodies of water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vogonjeltz View Post
    What Monk class skills benefit from concentration?
    None!!

    But it does help when a prisoner decides to throw bodily fluids at you and you need to NOT beat the living crap out of them.

    Also helps at ignoring all the dumb things that go on in a prison while maintaining vigilance!

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    +1 to you good sir. Excellent observations.
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    Every class requires an explanation for why it even exists in the first place. This is easy for Fighters, and harder for some others.

    Congratulations on explaining the Monk. An Internet is yours.

    I always thought the Battle Dancer evolved from body guards for Diplomats; why have a high-Charisma unarmed fighter? Because they go places where carrying weapons is extremely impolite, but tensions are high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Every class requires an explanation for why it even exists in the first place. This is easy for Fighters, and harder for some others.

    Congratulations on explaining the Monk. An Internet is yours.

    I always thought the Battle Dancer evolved from body guards for Diplomats; why have a high-Charisma unarmed fighter? Because they go places where carrying weapons is extremely impolite, but tensions are high.
    I still haven't figured out why the fighter exists. It's completely anachronistic in any setting that allows spellcasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haldir View Post
    I still haven't figured out why the fighter exists. It's completely anachronistic in any setting that allows spellcasting.
    Magic users need someone who's handy at carving flesh, for when they can't be bothered to feed themselves at their floating golden dinner table.


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    Quote Originally Posted by banjo1985 View Post
    Magic users need someone who's handy at carving flesh, for when they can't be bothered to feed themselves at their floating golden dinner table.
    Unseen Servents aren't as resource intensive. If you keep a pet fighter you have to burn spells/money on feeding the damn thing.

    Edit- I understand it now, Fighters are like a status symbol. If you're well off enough to own a living Fighter, you must be pretty well off!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haldir View Post
    Unseen Servents aren't as resource intensive. If you keep a pet fighter you have to burn spells/money on feeding the damn thing.

    Edit- I understand it now, Fighters are like a status symbol. If you're well off enough to own a living Fighter, you must be pretty well off!
    Money? You mean that mountain of gems being constantly increased by a self resetting wish trap, Or do you mean the mountain of platinum bars next to it that I stopped caring about 5 years ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haldir View Post
    I still haven't figured out why the fighter exists. It's completely anachronistic in any setting that allows spellcasting.
    Gladiatorial battles. Duh.

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    We sit above them and laugh as they brutally hack each other and die. We call them uncouth. Yet it is we who revel while they die. We're savages, just the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haldir View Post
    We sit above them and laugh as they brutally hack each other and die. We call them uncouth. Yet it is we who revel while they die. We're savages, just the same.
    But savages with 9th level spells, including Divination, so none dare even *think* of calling us that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Longarrow View Post
    Monks are prison guards.


    Excellent analysis.

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    As for Fighters, they're obviously for Heroics material component farming. Those Spell Component Pouches aren't going to fill themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haldir View Post
    I still haven't figured out why the fighter exists. It's completely anachronistic in any setting that allows spellcasting.
    Because some folks don't have an Int, Wis, or Cha over 8. We have plenty of internet trolls to prove that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Longarrow View Post
    Because some folks don't have an Int, Wis, or Cha over 8. We have plenty of internet trolls to prove that!
    Oi, I resent that remark.


    Truly the most effective way to troll in D&D, is to play a Tier 1 Caster and say lol nope to everything the DM throws at you.
    Or as a DM, throw a simple CR 1 encounter at your players, watch as they fail to beat it the first time and watch them nuke the world at higher levels to get rid of such a low level threat.
    I guess you could play as a Troll Bard.

    Trolltastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Longarrow View Post
    Because some folks don't have an Int, Wis, or Cha over 8. We have plenty of internet trolls to prove that!
    Pft, even with 3 in a stat you can still end up with a 19, high enough to cast all the spells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Longarrow View Post
    Because some folks don't have an Int, Wis, or Cha over 8. We have plenty of internet trolls to prove that!
    But I understand why the commoner exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haldir View Post
    But I understand why the commoner exists.
    Clearly, they exist to solve the problem of starvation.
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    And here I've got a friend who keeps telling me the true purpose of Commoners is to find traps for his rogue!

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    Fighters are really good targets for buff spells. Fighters enjoy being turned into the incarnation of a Dire Grim Reaper. Wizards enjoy making this happen. Bull's Strength, Enlarge Person...yes plz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicwaffle View Post
    Fighters are really good targets for buff spells. Fighters enjoy being turned into the incarnation of a Dire Grim Reaper. Wizards enjoy making this happen. Bull's Strength, Enlarge Person...yes plz.
    The Wizard, Cleric and Druids are all better targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haldir View Post
    Unseen Servents aren't as resource intensive. If you keep a pet fighter you have to burn spells/money on feeding the damn thing.

    Edit- I understand it now, Fighters are like a status symbol. If you're well off enough to own a living Fighter, you must be pretty well off!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haldir View Post
    Edit- I understand it now, Fighters are like a status symbol. If you're well off enough to own a living Fighter, you must be pretty well off!

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    I always stat my town guards as level 2 feat rogues with sense motive, spot, listen, forgery, search, and profession (guard) skills maxed. It doesn't matter if they have an 6 int, they get enough skill points to make it work anyway. Give them a short spear, a light shield, a sap, a club, a dagger, and studded leather armor and let them guard all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicwaffle View Post
    Fighters are really good targets for buff spells. Fighters enjoy being turned into the incarnation of a Dire Grim Reaper. Wizards enjoy making this happen. Bull's Strength, Enlarge Person...yes plz.
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