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    This is a recruiting/conversation/planning thread for the Pathfinder Grab Bag Competition's playtest games. Contact Tanuki Tales or myself if you're interested in joining. Ideally, I'd like you to submit an entry in a competition round before joining in on the campaign.
    All rules, ideas, reasons, lists, groups, and rosters listed here are subject to change at a moment's notice.
    These games are designed specifically to playtest homebrew creations made for the PGBC. If desired, other 3rd party and homebrew material may be allowed on a case-by case basis.
    The games will feature a 1-shot, round-robin format, meaning that we take turns DM'ing, and each DM is in charge of one game, quest, or scenario.
    Characters will likely be re-rolled on a regular basis, though a particular DM might want to continue a quest in a world another started, or continue his own most recent game with the same group previously used.
    Assume that the world is high-fantasy unless otherwise specified. Any specifics as to the nature of the world/cultures/religions/races/etc. should be linked here, preferably as a google document or a reference for another campaign setting. World specifics should not be listed here, as each DM may create or modify their own world, thus negating the point of establishing anything in this thread.

    That's everything I can think of for the moment. Rules, again, are subject to change.

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    Default Re: PGBC: The Great Quest to Play-Test

    Quote Originally Posted by gr8artist View Post
    This is a recruiting/conversation/planning thread for the Pathfinder Grab Bag Competition's playtest games. Contact Tanuki Tales or myself if you're interested in joining. Ideally, I'd like you to submit an entry in a competition round before joining in on the campaign.
    All rules, ideas, reasons, lists, groups, and rosters listed here are subject to change at a moment's notice.
    These games are designed specifically to playtest homebrew creations made for the PGBC. If desired, other 3rd party and homebrew material may be allowed on a case-by case basis.
    The games will feature a 1-shot, round-robin format, meaning that we take turns DM'ing, and each DM is in charge of one game, quest, or scenario.
    Characters will likely be re-rolled on a regular basis, though a particular DM might want to continue a quest in a world another started, or continue his own most recent game with the same group previously used.
    Assume that the world is high-fantasy unless otherwise specified. Any specifics as to the nature of the world/cultures/religions/races/etc. should be linked here, preferably as a google document or a reference for another campaign setting. World specifics should not be listed here, as each DM may create or modify their own world, thus negating the point of establishing anything in this thread.

    That's everything I can think of for the moment. Rules, again, are subject to change.

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    Are we going to create a set of standard guidelines for character creation or will each DM get to change things as he sees fit.

    For example: Point Buys vs. Rolling for Stats or different levels?
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    Despite being new to PbP games, I'd like to give this a shot.

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    Well, we can set a standard, but each DM will have the right to change the character creation method for his own games.
    Also, adding Adam to the list.

    Everyone, make sure I have your name under ALL applicable rosters, as some of you are/were vague on whether you wanted to play, DM, or both.
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    so... this pbp is for the express purpose of playtesting neat things from the contest.

    so, how does this work.... you guys make a party, I (or whoever is DMing) make a special, tailor made adventure out of cool homev=brew and *Gasp* core stuff.

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    I think the more appropriate procedure would be that the DM gives us a brief rundown of the objective (the hook for a quest or plot) followed by world rules and qualities, house rules in effect, and character level/creation guidelines.
    Then we roll up.
    Then the DM decides the final group (if we have like 12 potential players)
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    Two things I'd personally like to see, rules wise:

    • Loose or no alignment.
    • Monster PC rules

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    I can agree with the alignment thing. As written, it doesn't feel right.

    Unfortunately, the DM guide doesn't help when it comes to calculating the effective level of monster PC's. The best it offers is "level = racial hit dice" for races that grant racial hit dice (such as giants and such). We could theoretically use the same formula for monster PC's, but I have no idea if that's balanced.
    Trying to calculate an exchange rate between PC classes and monster CR's is difficult, as the math eventually ends up as "CR 10 creature is a fair challenge for a group of CR 10 creatures, and is equal in power to one of them."
    Confused? Allow me to illuminate.
    An NPC with PC levels has a CR = HD - 1. This is assuming he has NPC wealth. If you pump him up to PC wealth, then he gets a +1 ad hoc increase to his CR. So, a level 10 fighter with wealth of a level 10 PC is a CR 10 encounter. Cool.
    But a CR 10 encounter should be an average encounter for a group of level 10 PC's with PC wealth. Now, an average encounter isn't supposed to be 50/50, but rather should be a win for the PC's at a cost of 1/3 resources (if memory serves). Makes sense, I suppose, in a 3v1 fight with equal power, you'd expect the 1 to lose but knock out 1/3 his opponents' health.
    So I guess monster CR = PC level, but that doesn't help us when it comes to awarding loot to monster PC's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gr8artist View Post
    So I guess monster CR = PC level, but that doesn't help us when it comes to awarding loot to monster PC's.
    That's exactly how the Bestiary does it, which would be primary source when dealing with monsters (along with letting monster PCs get extra levels at an accelerated rate for a short time). Racial hit dice and monster abilities have severe diminishing returns, even before you take into account that the CR system is a broken metric. I don't think monster PCs should have anything changed with their loot unless you'd do the same thing for tier 1&2 PCs or lower tier PCs of comparable or greater power to the monster PC. Some monsters are pretty damn awesome, but most are incredibly subpar when compared to just straight leveled base race PCs.

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    okay, so, I am GMing first!

    Hobey-ho! lets go!

    so, to start, who likes a silly, kinda weird campaign, well designed for goofball characters and laid back RP (little backstory)

    or a Dune-esque, political, rich-world campaign, with a serious air and straight-faced RP (lots of backstory please, i wanna know your favourite colour and the name of your childhood friends)
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    Hmm, I'm currently in a serious campaign now, and probably starting another in the near future. I'd lean more toward the goofy backstory laid-back kind, especially if we're going to have all these weird races/classes/monster-PC's.

    but either works. My character won't be too goofy in either sense, so he could fit in either world.
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    I'm fine with the goofball game, as political intrigue isn't really my cup of tea.

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    Silly sounds good to me!
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    then goofy it shall be

    okay, so, i want a ragtag group that has been convened in the royal court, to get a briefing by the princess on a threat to the kingdom

    i will give you guys more info after character creation, assume high fantasy world, with core races plus any HBed races, any classes allowed, no alignment, but assume that classes with alignment restrictions must still act in a manner appropriate to ther moral code. zany-ness abound.

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    Point buy? any other houserules? Starting level?
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    Point buy? any other houserules? Starting level?
    standard point buy

    all 2+int-ppl skill classes get 4+int

    starting level 8, standard wealth-by-level
    standard pantheon
    NO MONSTER CLASSES, they confuse me

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    I'm going to assume that by "standard" you meant 15.

    Rolling up now.

    EDIT: Rolled. May I present, "Shanoa"... Mehndi Mercenary 5/Exotic Expert 3
    Let me know if there's something wrong with the sheet or information, or if there's some interface trouble. Still new to that site.
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    Actually, since, unless told otherwise, we're assuming the setting is high fantasy, "standard point buy", to me, would seem to point towards 20 and not 15; as 20 is the point buy for High Fantasy games.

    Stake should probably clarify.

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    I'm still interested, however, I just got a job and my free time has shrunk considerably. I will still make a strong effort to post consistently, and I am still interested in both GMing and playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanuki Tales View Post
    Actually, since, unless told otherwise, we're assuming the setting is high fantasy, "standard point buy", to me, would seem to point towards 20 and not 15; as 20 is the point buy for High Fantasy games.

    Stake should probably clarify.
    yerp, 20 point. sorry, it has been a while since i have GMed PF.
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    Okay, here goes nothing. How's Trizbit Skeem, Gnome Iron Man 8 look to you guys?

    (Side note on the class, I couldn't find a. How the battery recharges normally (I'd assume 8 hours rest or something but eh) and b. what the spell level is for the saving throw on the flamethrowers, anyone got any ideas there?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillammon View Post
    Okay, here goes nothing. How's Trizbit Skeem, Gnome Iron Man 8 look to you guys?

    (Side note on the class, I couldn't find a. How the battery recharges normally (I'd assume 8 hours rest or something but eh) and b. what the spell level is for the saving throw on the flamethrowers, anyone got any ideas there?)
    could you link to the class... it looks interesting.
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    Iron Man, winner of MLTSP and 1st Place for Saturday Morning Nostalgia (PGBC 7). Some bits of it are unclear, but it mostly stands up, as far as I can tell.
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    Go use the search function Phil; Errant updated that class at least twice in its own stand alone threads.

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    ...oops. Welp, I'll make the changes as needed. Gimme a couple of hours to make changes.
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    ...oops. Welp, I'll make the changes as needed. Gimme a couple of hours to make changes.
    and post a link to the edited class.
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    Here you go! One thing I would like to ask- Powerful build works slightly differently in the edited version, so I'd like to ask whether some fiat would be possible here in using a suit of armour that's actually up a size category- are there rules for such a thing, or should I make do with being Small? (I ask mostly for flavour reasons, I don't much care about the reach or anything)
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    Okay, done the updates. I may have gone overboard with Master Craftsman, but on the flipside, Rattleclank is now the coolest damn suit of armour known to gnomekind. If the size increase on Powerful Build isn't okay, I'll substitute in Flight Repulsers and switch out those CMB and Grappling feats, and update the backstory a little. That look alright?

    EDIT: Actually, scratch that, removed Powerful Build altogether, I'm happy with this now. Any thoughts now it's been changed around?
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    Are we using traits and flaws? Also, where are we rolling hit points?

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    I averaged my HP (5.5/d10). I suppose we could roll here, as long as you don't edit the post afterward or anything.
    Phil, your little gal could kick my character's butt, but she looks interesting and fun.

    Also, I made an extended signature link for my Witherlands campaign, because I had player/character info, IC threads, OoC threads, recruiting threads, and a couple other things that I wanted all listed cohesively. Would you like me to make one for TGQtPT?
    It might serve as a one-stop information hub regarding individual DM's games, links to character sheets, a handy place for reference material, etc. Anything anybody needed could be added to the post by me, after suggesting it in PM.
    If I didn't make myself clear, click on the "Witherlands Campaign" link in my signature, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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