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    Default OOTS #417 - The Discussion Thread

    New comic is up.

    I'm going to take a minute to say that today's strip is not a political comment, nor does it indicate that this entire war sequence is going to be deadly serious. Quite the opposite; I'm probably going to crack a lot of jokes about the battle to come, since this is primarily a comedy strip. However, I thought I would be remiss to not take a moment first to reflect on the fact that war is not a funny thing, generally speaking. I fully realize that this will probably get more than the usual number of "Worst. Strip. Ever." comments, but I felt like it needed to be a part of the story.

    OK, let the abuse for not making it funny enough begin.
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    Ooooh. Shiny.

    I always love exposition strips. Sometimes the comedy can seem like that's all the strip's about, but exposition reminds us that there's a story behind it too. So don't worry giant, there's at least one fan who loves this type of strip.
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    Wow... That feels so deep, even when I know it's not...
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    Now I have to wonder what Roy is doing with his booty amulet.

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    A very moving strip. Excellent in its own way.

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    Good Comic, Rich.

    Were you by any chance in the Army??

    I think it is just fine that it wasn't "funny enough."

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    Oh... I almost feel sad for Haley. It's one of the few OOTS comics that didn't make me smile. But it wasn't supposed to. Well, I guess, at this pace, we probably won't see the battle until next week...
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    It was good, even though there wasn't any joke. In fact, I'm glad there wasn't a joke in this strip, it would ruin it. It is definitely very moving.
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    I love Elan's new clothing. Very soon, we're going to see the young couple jokes. Just give me a minute to think of a few...

    And now I feel sad for Haley! Darn you Giant, stop making us emotionally connect with your characters!
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    Good for you, Giant! Thanks for being honest about this. The grim reality hurts sometimes, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need to be done.

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    Awww.... it's so sweet.

    Gotta love Haley's optimism, but I can really identify with the pessimistic paladin. Sounds like something I'd say.

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    i would just like to point out afew things

    the defender in a siege always has an advantage - i believe the math involved is something like 5-to-1 odds, at a minimum, to take a defended castle

    ALSO - moral is very VERY important, and haley was helping moral. that shmuck wasn't.

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    I love it when the characters talk mechanics :)

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    Considering the circumstance I'd say that haley was doing just what all of the Order should be doing. The army needs a moral boost and a bunch of tough adventurers going around acting confident would be a great boost.
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    See, that's how role playing is different from life. How many thousand of creatures a typical high level adventurer manages to kill? Many of them are simple wimpy goblins or kobolds, sure. But the number of sentient beings sent to their respective heavens and hells is staggering. That is part of the game.

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    It's also an excellent point about how most campaign encounters are specifically designed so that the players' characters can not only survive, but win. In a real world whose design mimicked D&D, adventures wouldn't be level-appropriate, and adventuring would be much more lethal.
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    Go O-chul. If I wasn't opposed to fan clubs, I'd be in yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denelian View Post
    i would just like to point out afew things

    the defender in a siege always has an advantage - i believe the math involved is something like 5-to-1 odds, at a minimum, to take a defended castle

    ALSO - moral is very VERY important, and haley was helping moral. that shmuck wasn't.
    3-to-1 normal
    5-to-1 if they've had time to dig in.
    Still that isn't just numbers but types of soldiers and Xycon alone is worth alot of Sapphire grunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denelian View Post
    i would just like to point out afew things

    the defender in a siege always has an advantage - i believe the math involved is something like 5-to-1 odds, at a minimum, to take a defended castle
    In the real world, it's assumed that all soldiers are more or less equal. In a D&D world, they know how they stack up against one another, and they know that there's an ultra-powerful lich on one side, and it ain't theirs.

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    ALSO - moral is very VERY important, and haley was helping moral. that shmuck wasn't.
    No, she was telling the girl not to fight as hard as she could, because it wouldn't matter. That advice will get her killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denelian View Post
    the defender in a siege always has an advantage - i believe the math involved is something like 5-to-1 odds, at a minimum, to take a defended castle
    Sturdy walls and entrenched positions do mean a bit less as a force multiplier when magical abilities are thrown into the mix. However, it's possible that the city has magical wards and defenses as well, something necessary for the city's defenses to be roughly equatable to impact in the real life.

    Oh, and I think the comic was awesome. Dropping humor and changing cadence for a moment like this helps to establish the importance and impact of the siege as a narrative event. Very good for the flow of the story and a definite character moment. Being able to take a breath and not be obligated to have a punchline every comic is a Good Thing.
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    Awww...reality check for Haley. Sweet and poignant. Thank you, Giant.
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    Ouch. Still, serious as war is, it's good to know that we'll be back to the funny soon.

    ...Because, y' know, it's not like the strip doesn't regularly crack jokes at serious subjects such as murder, kidnapping, murder, theft, corruption of government, mental anguish, and spiked tentacles of forced intrusion.
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    Actually, Rich, I'm going to go against that grain and say "Best. Strip. Ever."

    Seriously. I love this strip. #417, you have my vote. Why?

    Because it's serious and sad and reminds me why I read OotS at all. It's not because it's funny (which it is). It's not because it's an endless run of gags.

    It's because, sometimes, you hit me from out of nowhere with these blinding character moments that make me, a professional author, want to reach out and steal them.

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    Ouch. Still, serious as war is, it's good to know that we'll be back to the funny soon.

    ...Because, y' know, it's not like the strip doesn't regularly crack jokes at serious subjects such as murder, kidnapping, murder theft, corruption of government, mental anguish, and spiked tentacles of forced intrusion.
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    I am reminded of the exchange between Aragon and Theodin from the movie.

    Aragon: "They do not come to destroy Rohan's crops and fields, they come to destroy Rohan itself!"

    Theodin: "Look at my men! Their courage hangs by a thread! If this is to be their end, then I would have them make such an end as to be worthy of remembrance!"

    The difference, of course, is that Haley doesn't *know* how desperate the situation is, while Theodin did. Still, I fall on the Theodin/Haley side of the debate.

    Good comic, btw.

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    Whoa, reality check there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwiffo View Post
    See, that's how role playing is different from life. How many thousand of creatures a typical high level adventurer manages to kill? Many of them are simple wimpy goblins or kobolds, sure. But the number of sentient beings sent to their respective heavens and hells is staggering. That is part of the game.
    I remember a DM who once told us he "RollPlayed" a fight between 1000 Orcs and a Red Dragon, yeah they killed the dragon, but there were only like 5 of them left......
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPoD View Post
    In the real world, it's assumed that all soldiers are more or less equal. In a D&D world, they know how they stack up against one another, and they know that there's an ultra-powerful lich on one side, and it ain't theirs.



    No, she was telling the girl not to fight as hard as she could, because it wouldn't matter. That advice will get her killed.
    Really? I thought she was just telling her not to worry or be a PC. Thats what Haleys for so she should just sit in the tower an take hopgoblins down.

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    Actually, every time I've gone into the sh!t, black humor dominated the preceding 24 hours.

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    I actually like the fact that we get a strip like this everyonce in a while. It makes the comedy more amusing and beleivable when it happens.

    I also DEFINATELY agree that Haley was doing the right thing(whether she really realized it or not. I don't think she did realize that the morale needed to be raised that much, but doing that is just in her personality.
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