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  • Tank (fighter, barbarian)

    19 16.67%
  • Hybrid (cleric, druid)

    33 28.95%
  • Damage caster (evoker)

    5 4.39%
  • Other caster (wizard)

    17 14.91%
  • Other

    40 35.09%
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    Default If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    ..... which class would you fill it with?

    Assume that you already have a wizard and a cleric for healing. It'd be nice if you could also explain why, in a polite and civil manner. I know there are plenty of strong opinions on this matter, but I am an eternal optimist, and believe that we can have this discussion civilly.

    The final "other" on the poll is supposed to represent either a class or play style I did not mention. If I misplaced a class (for example, if you think that "cleric" should be in a different category) then vote for the category that the class is in, and explain why it shouldn't be there.
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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    Apologies for the double post.

    I believe that a fighter, even if only for cleanup after the wizard has done his job, is a better choice than the others. After all, even two wizards will run out of spell slots eventually.
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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    Fighter. (or other tank)

    What he does isn't as dependent on preparation or targeting the right weakness to be effective.

    I also agree with you......... casters can't keep casting spells all day. While fighters can't fight all day without dying, they can fight all day if they are careful and have healing potions.
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    Boy, would I EVER choose a cleric.

    Let me explain our party dynamic at the moment; this is an FR campaign set in the Moonsea, a Zhent campaign. We have...

    Level 8 LE Knight/Vengeance Knight, Banite (The DM tweaked the class for fun's sake, to let him be LE)

    Level 8 LE Swashbuckler, Loviatan

    Level 7 LE Monk, Banite

    Level 8 LE Wizard/Skymage, Banite

    Level 8 LE Duskblade/Dragon Disciple, Banite

    Edit: Level 8 LE Rogue, Banite

    Level 9 N Expert/Cleric/Techsmith, Gondian

    Level 7 NE Gnoll Barbarian/Ranger, Malarite

    Level 8 NE Druid, Talonar
    We're a motley crew. The reason I'd end up picking up a cleric is that though we have two divine casters in our party, the follower of Gond is obsessed with, DUH, machines, and as such almost never really jumps into battle -- he sucks as a healer. That leaves my Talontar druid as the primary healer. Problem IS, she's a Talontar, and likes death, poison, and rotting! So she has maybe two moderate wounds, and minor maxed out -- all of her spells are offensive, or buff her animal companion.

    ...what I wouldn't give for a dedicated healer...
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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    Cleric or Druid in a heartbeat, if I was trying to optimize the party. If I'm just sitting down to a game, I'll play a Fighter or Warlock.

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    I personaly would go with a skill monkey. Every group could use one if not need one. Also playing the skill monkey is very fun
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    I assume this is "above and beyond your normal party", in which case, I'd like a utility character -- a bard, mystic theurge, or rogue specializing in something other than stealth and lockpicking.

    I'd go with bard with my current party -- ftr8/brb3 , brb11, rgr7/rog3/brb1, clr11, wiz7/loremaster4, rog11. Nobody has a CHA over 12, and nobody has invested in anything diplomatic, despite the fact that it's actually useful in this campaign. We've got a fair bit of heavy melee and light melee, and plenty of sneak attacks/flanking/etc, but it'd be nice to have a bit of bonus casting on top of the diplomacy and such.

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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    Another wizard or cleric or druid should do quite nicely.

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    BARD. A face, secondary caster, secondary healer, and skill monkey.
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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    Hrm. Cleric.

    More heals are always good.

    More other uniquely cleric spells are also good.

    Besides casting spells, clerics can fight. Not quite as good as a fighter, but it gets kinda close.

    Plus, the versatility of domains.

    Add it all up, and cleric seems to be the best bet.

    I normally would say tank...but the group already has a person with 30 AC, so I think we're good.
    Last edited by Stevenson; 2007-02-25 at 11:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevenson View Post
    Besides casting spells, clerics can fight. Not quite as good as a fighter, but it gets kinda close.
    Uh, better than the fighter, you mean.

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    Druid, I now have a class feature that's better then the other class.
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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    Well, not fighting by itself with nothing else. Fighting along with the cleric's spellcasting makes it far superior, yes. I tend to find that fighters' bonus feats make it more suited for flat combat than a cleric.

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    Eh, the cleric's higher AB/damage from buffs and self-healing mean that he fights as well. He can fit in whatever the fighter's best feat chain is, too (i.e. Shock Trooper), without a problem.

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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    I'll put in "other caster" because my groups tend to need a utility mage to cast all of those highly useful utility spells. Our caster tends play sorcerers, focused on damage dealing, and sometimes we are left high and dry because the sorcerer has none of the utility spells. Of course, all this means is that we have to be a little more creative in dealing with some situations that the utility spells could handle quickly.

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    Other. Stealthy guy.

    I rather not see the casters waste the first 3 turns buffing and getting arrowed.
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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    Quote Originally Posted by Orzel View Post
    Other. Stealthy guy.

    I rather not see the casters waste the first 3 turns buffing and getting arrowed.
    The Cleric takes 1 round (Quickened Divine Favor + Divine Power), the Wizard lays down Solid Fog + Quickened Whatever, and the druid just Wildshapes into an "OMFG monster of pouncing crazy power" and Quickens whatever spell he wants to cast before charging in.

    Yeah, another wizard/druid/cleric in a heartbeat.
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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    What is the general party level? And who are the other party members?

    If the party doesn't have a Rogue, then a Rogue (maybe with a few Ranger levels) would probably be the best choice. Maybe some other stealth/scout from a splatbook, if they're allowed.

    Of the options you've presented, each could be the best choice, depending on party level. If it's 1st - 4th, then a powerful melee type like Fighter or Barbarian (or even Figher/Barbarian multiclass) would be the best choice. From 5th - 8th Druid's the best choice, with a powerful Animal Companion. From 9th onwards, the choice would be between Cleric, Druid and Wizard (but not a specialist Evoker).
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    Bard. Always, always pick the bard to be the fifth wheel.

    Always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki_Akuma View Post
    Bard. Always, always pick the bard to be the fifth wheel.

    Always.
    Except... not? Another cleric (for example) is a much better fifth wheel. Bards don't bring that much to the table, fifth party member or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZekeArgo View Post
    The Cleric takes 1 round (Quickened Divine Favor + Divine Power), the Wizard lays down Solid Fog + Quickened Whatever, and the druid just Wildshapes into an "OMFG monster of pouncing crazy power" and Quickens whatever spell he wants to cast before charging in.

    Yeah, another wizard/druid/cleric in a heartbeat.
    I ready a Manyshot/sneakattack "if she starts casting a spell."
    What spell?

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    Default Re: If you had to fill one more slot in your group......

    Our party is currently:

    Tank (fighter)
    Hybrid (cleric)
    Blaster (evoker)
    Controller (enchanter)
    Other (bard)
    Other (fighter/rogue)

    So we don't really need any more players, but if we had to pick one more, a tank/healer type, like a paladin or fighter or cleric, would be nice. We're a bit short on front-liners. Definitely don't want a fourth arcane caster.

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    Cleric/Druid - we had a Disticnt lack of Healing power last time, to the point of the Wiz casting Limited wishes to gain healing capability

    Currently it looks like i'll be a Druid or a Cleric for our upcoming Dark Sun run, the intro games have everyone as a Psioinc class of some sort with a Cleric NPC cos the DM thought we needed it

    As it stands: 2 Soulknives, 2 Psions, 2 Psi Warriors, 1 Wilder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orzel View Post
    I ready a Manyshot/sneakattack "if she starts casting a spell."
    What spell?
    Unless the Cleric / Druid takes total cover behind a Tower Shield while casting the spell. What readied action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenknight View Post
    Unless the Cleric / Druid takes total cover behind a Tower Shield while casting the spell. What readied action?
    Why are you taking cover? You don't see nor hear me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orzel View Post
    Why are you taking cover? You don't see nor hear me?
    You mean battle is happening and a Cleric / Druid wouldn't take total cover if they could while casting spells? And for that matter, how exactly are you hiding from the Druid's insanely high Spot / Listen check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bears With Lasers View Post
    Except... not? Another cleric (for example) is a much better fifth wheel. Bards don't bring that much to the table, fifth party member or not.
    Because I like bards.
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    i would get a cleric or a druid. extra healing is always nice, especially if the druid/cleric dies in the first round of combat (happened to me. got ambushed by 2 greater shadows and ran out of strength in the first round before i could wildshape).

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenknight View Post
    how exactly are you hiding from the Druid's insanely high Spot / Listen check?
    The Ranger/rogue's insanely high H&MS

    If there's a dude who can cast and has a tower shield, I shoot the wizard.
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    Orzel, Green, the question isn't who could beat whom. It's who can beat most enemies better. From an optimization standpoint, that's the important question.
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