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    Welcome to another installment of the Girl Genius Thread!

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    And finally we're about to see what happened. Damn Friday cliffhangers.

    Must say I like how this shows Bang's no dummmy when it comes to observing things. That "you were about to lie" was a classic moment for her.
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    Default Re: Girl Genius XVII: And Then He Had Pie

    Well, this is an interesting revelation, and a nice cliffhanger for the weekend.

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    So Gil knows he's carrying around a copy of Klaus in his head?
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    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    Well, this is an interesting revelation, and a nice cliffhanger for the weekend.

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    So Gil knows he's carrying around a copy of Klaus in his head?
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    Bang also covered herself in regards to the 'my son is too fool to see it' bit with the "you've been saying and doing some really strange stuff" line.

    A bit of a copout, I suppose. But it works.

    ...

    I guess it does remind one just how coo-coo Sparks could be that Bang didn't immediately add two and two there. Of course, if she doesn't know about the brain transfer machine tech, that does give her a slight out. I'd have to go back and look at the Gil/Bang talk when Gil was talking about the 'cure' for being Wasped what he did and/or did not say.
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    Well, well.

    Another cliffhanger. Darn weekends.

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    One is in the know, and one has been in the dark the entire time, but I think we've all been making a wrong assumption on which is which.

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    Don't make 'construction' movements with your hands if you are about to spin a yarn for Bang.

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    So it looks like this is a mutual, consenting, symbiotic relationship (unlike every other mind-write we've seen so far). Klaus gets a body that isn't wasped and the opportunity to keep fighting Lucrezia. Gil get the expertise and experience he needs to run the Empire, plus a ton of useful information he will need to defeat the Other. The two of them overlap on 95% of their goals, with the only major point of contention being how to deal with Agatha. No wonder they've been able to keep up the facade for two years, and it explains why they've been conflicting so badly since Agatha got out of Mechanisburg.

    This does leave a question as to why this copy of Klaus hasn't been moved into a construct yet. He obviously has reverse-engineered a few of Lucrezia's toys, so all they need to do is whip up a fresh construct and dump him into it. Maybe he's super-paranoid about Lucrezia finding out that he's still working against her. Maybe Klaus is trying to take advantage of Gil's reputation for being underestimated.
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    Seffie apparently knew, while Bang, who is nearly constantly with him and plays his psychotic big sister didn't figure it out.

    Are Gil and Seffie so close that they share intimate details like his head-guests?

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    Bang's been going up several notches in my list of "favorite characters still around and kicking" for the past few comics now, and this one is no exception. Looks like we'll finally be getting a (somewhat?) definitive answer to the Gil/Klaus situation, next comic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grif View Post
    Well, well.

    Another cliffhanger. Darn weekends.
    Monday: back with Agatha and the bears.

    I'm not going to try to prove it, but I think the Foglios are switching back and forth between Agatha's Adventures and Gil's Griefs a little more regularly in this volume than previously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stsasser View Post
    Monday: back with Agatha and the bears.
    Very good chance of that happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stsasser View Post
    Monday: back with Agatha and the bears.
    Plus, by the time we get back to Gil, it will be after the explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kida View Post
    Plus, by the time we get back to Gil, it will be after the explanation.
    Or it will be interrupted by an issue with Vole. They don't frequently merge timeskips with POV-switches.
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    My bet, right now. Gil will explain the situation to Bang...and then it'll turn out that somewhere in the middle, The Incredible Volk and Higgs stopped fighting and listened in on just enough of the conversation to be a problem.
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    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blauregen View Post
    Seffie apparently knew, while Bang, who is nearly constantly with him and plays his psychotic big sister didn't figure it out.

    Are Gil and Seffie so close that they share intimate details like his head-guests?
    Don't forget that Klaus claimed to at least a few people that Gil has been Wasped. Seffie could be referring to that since it is also assumed by more than a few people Agatha is the Other as well. Which, to be fair....

    Gotta love the super tangly plot that's been constructed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porthos View Post
    Don't forget that Klaus claimed to at least a few people that Gil has been Wasped. Seffie could be referring to that since it is also assumed by more than a few people Agatha is the Other as well. Which, to be fair....
    She is...kind of....sometimes.

    But yes, it could be Seffie thinks that he is wasped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Porthos View Post
    Gotta love the super tangly plot that's been constructed here.
    I'd like to draw a flowchart, but I am not even sure how many parties are involved. What happened to Lunevka and Zola? Where is Boris? Exactly how many KoJ-factions are active? Does Seffie work with or against Tweedle?
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    FINALLY!!
    Or not. yep, I think we'll be getting back to the train on Monday. GRRR!

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    Gah, the cliffhanger...

    Figuring that Klaus somehow figured out he was Wasped, and acted to take himself out of the picture by writing his un-wasped mind into Gil's so that he can accomplish the twin goals of re-establishing dominance over Europa after his convalescence and de-wasping him. As mentioned above, the goals tend to be in-line on everything but Agatha, and for the two years she was out of the picture all was going well... or as well as can be expected for the Baron of Sparkland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyBomb View Post
    Figuring that Klaus somehow figured out he was Wasped,
    That part was pretty easy, especially since Lucrezia outright told him he was wasped moments after the deed was done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperordaniel View Post
    That part was pretty easy, especially since Lucrezia outright told him he was wasped moments after the deed was done.
    Guess that was kinda simple. More applicable would probably have been figuring out how to circumvent whatever orders he was given, or that were default to the slaver. Things like not committing suicide (time freeze!) or acting against his Imprint (gestalting?)
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    Awwwww. Bang really does care.

    ALSO: Cheyenne interlude coming up? Should be fun. Always like to see his work get more exposure.
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    Everybody blames Gil. He'll snap once he fails to rescue Tarvek or Klaus from Mechanicsburg and will go into destroyer mode, until our heroine comes back and restores hope.

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    Welp.

    Confirmation of what we already surmised, I guess.

    It does seem to imply that an un-wasped Klaus is in the back of Gil's head, since they're at war with the Other. Unless that's also a shell game...

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    I hate Jagermonsters because I cannot understand their weard words.
    Is there a deciphered script for them?
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    I think this is where Bang might go rouge on Gil. For his own good of course.
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    I hate Jagermonsters because I cannot understand their weard words.
    Is there a deciphered script for them?
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    IN-teresting. Assuming the copy of Klaus in Gil's head can communicate with him, either it hasn't told Gil that Klaus was the one who was WASPed, or Gil is not telling Bang that, for some reason. Lu's stricture on Klaus not to tell anyone he's under her control would, logically, not extend to a copy of his mind that's free of the biological control of the WASP.

    Maybe.

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    Awwwww. Bang really does care.
    Well, yes. It's been pretty clear she's like Gil's abusive - but concerned - older sister for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eee View Post
    either it hasn't told Gil that Klaus was the one who was WASPed, or Gil is not telling Bang that, for some reason.
    Gil already told Bang his suspicions. She either believes him now, or not. If not, telling her again would do nothing to make her trust him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChowGuy View Post
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    Honly, vot meenz "weard?" Hy kent find dat inna dictionhary hat all.
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