Making monster species "civilized"?

[Silus]

Ok this is both a semi-homebrew question thread (Mostly me fishing for ideas) and a thought exercise.

Ok, so Generic Fantasy Kitchen Sink World A (Henceforth termed "The World") is finally getting their heads out of their butts and advancing out of the medieval slump they've found themselves in. Industry and technology is on the rise and creatures must adapt to these changes. Some of the more "human" species have begun attempting to integrate themselves with the expanding civilization.

So, in an Industrial Revolution type setting (Or, if you prefer, steampunk of whatever degree) how do you think the "monster" (Non-base) races would adapt to their trying to integrate into civilization? Or would they try at all?

[VoxRationis]

I would expect a lot of them to be stubbornly opposed to change until conquered by the industrialized types. At least, the ones outside of the borders of the various major kingdoms would be like that. Those which form enclaves within those borders (those providing the population for all those goblin-filled dungeons) would be assimilated more quickly into an underclass population. Expect linguistic and cultural loss among these groups. Social change for the better among these underclass populations is going to be harder to occur than in real life, since orcs, for example, are empirically more brutish and less mentally capable than humans.

[Lord Raziere]

yeah, expect a lot of use as underclass labor at best in brutal conditions of industrial factories- including children cause the concept of childhood was not invented yet- that could easily lead to them becoming ill, or losing limbs or digits to the horrid conditions, working for people that basically determine whether they have a home and food or not. workers rights, what are those?

the people escaping the factory basically becoming beggars and scavengers that will scavenge for anything to recycle and reuse to their own needs, no matter how much of a piece of junk it is- in victorian britain, such scavengers fought each other over little things we take for granted, they'd be willing to say, steal from a man just because say.....they had gloves that could warm their hands, when the weather is starting to get colder. the constables were generally considered useless in preventing crime.

or at worst, they could outright be slaves, where every little difference is used to pit the slaves against each other, so that they don't unite against the master in rebellion. goblins separated from the orcs. or older orcs separated from the younger orcs. things like that. their culture would be outright suppressed and made sure its forgotten, if the master is smart, they prevent the slaves from reading so that they don't get ideas into their head. runaways will hunted down to try and taken back to be made an example of so that others don't get an idea of escaping as well

any way you slice it, they will probably be uneducated, poor, living in brutal hardscrabble conditions where survival matters far more than anything like politics, education or your personal dreams. survival depends on making sure the people in the higher classes are not displeased with your work, or being in the part of town where even the police are afraid to go. the heroes of such races are probably people who found some way to escape such conditions, no matter how improbable.

Edit: Why in some ways you could say, they would be worse off being "civilized" than they were living in their original culture- mostly because while the physical conditions probably wouldn't change (life outside industrial civilization was still a dangerous wilderness with the risk of disease, starvation and whatnot, no matter how much victorian romanticism talks about the virtues of the "pastoral life") they still at least had a wider community they could relate to, something bigger they belonged to, a culture they could be proud of and a family they could call their own, a system of shared belief that they could be secured in. but when taken to civilization and taken all that away....they just become another expendable worker, but one that didn't grow up in the culture or grew up being thought of as a monster, and therefore has it hard twice.

[Mr Beer]

I suggest reading the New Crobuzon series by China Mieville and stealing big chunks because it's great. The setting is relevant and there are a ton of non-human intelligent races, though not direct D&D races you can find analogues easily enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Crobuzon

[Kaeso]

Ok this is both a semi-homebrew question thread (Mostly me fishing for ideas) and a thought exercise.

Ok, so Generic Fantasy Kitchen Sink World A (Henceforth termed "The World") is finally getting their heads out of their butts and advancing out of the medieval slump they've found themselves in. Industry and technology is on the rise and creatures must adapt to these changes. Some of the more "human" species have begun attempting to integrate themselves with the expanding civilization.

So, in an Industrial Revolution type setting (Or, if you prefer, steampunk of whatever degree) how do you think the "monster" (Non-base) races would adapt to their trying to integrate into civilization? Or would they try at all?

Without getting too much into politics, what historically decided which people were and weren't considered civilized? To a certain degree, it involved how industrialized they were. This is why the Japanese were considered civilized but the Koreans, for example, were not. This is why Japanese actually became the only non-Western colonizing power and actually colonized the Koreans, under the same civilizing mission guise as the Westerners.

So how would monsters adapt to this? I personally think some of the more clever races (like the crafty kobolds or the militarized hobgoblins) would adapt quickly. They see the rifles and canons of humans and elves and make their own. Perhaps they'd even hire human engineers and generals to train their own officers and troops (akin to the military missions to Japan by certain Western powers). They would modernize their armies in any way possible and turn their weapons against those too stubborn or not intelligent enough to advance to a sufficient level. Those who stubbornly stick to the old ways of their ancestors will quickly discover that a spear won't do you much good when you're confronted with the business end of a rifle.

So I think making monsters civilized means, in this setting, that you make them industrialized. That these monsters may hate humans as much as they always did, but at the very least acknowledge their technological superiority and try to adapt to it. They may even turn their arms on other monsters and conquer them in order to gain more strength to face off against the "civilized" races. With hobgoblins, for example, you can imagine them conquering entire goblin settlements (their "less civilized" brethren) and enslaving them so they can mine and fabricate the weapons their armies need.

In other words, civilized monsters try to beat the traditionally civilized races by beating them at their own game. Human fortifications will find themselves under siege by disciplined hobgoblin musket divisions and mortar fire.

EDIT: I have something in my own campaign more or less resembling this. It's taking place in a time more or less inspired by the late middle ages/early renaissance. Gunpowder has only recently become a thing, and mainly dwarf engineers are studying its appliances. As they come up with more and more inventions, humans and other races will either mimic them or fall before this new technology which will almost trivialize conventional warfare.

[EccentricCircle]

Remember that history is written by the victors.
What we consider "Monster" races might well have had their own civilizations at one point or another, but evidence of that has been swept aside by the "Civilized" races who have conquered them.
Colonial powers operate by suppressing the cultures of the races they conquer. The will use propaganda to make it seem as though they are bringing civilization to primitive people, completely ignoring the rich histories those people already had. Where they can't push the preexisting culture under the rug and ignore it completely you get propaganda claiming that the conquered civilization was once great but is now "In decline" and so it is the colonizers manifest destiny to take over and restore it. It's all about being able to justify their unethical practices by rewriting history to suit their own agenda.

[WarKitty]

You might be interested in looking at how various native tribes responded to european contact. Obviously superior technology was adopted pretty quickly in most cases, though monsters in later contact with civilized races might lack the infrastructure to produce certain goods. So for example most native tribes took up horse breeding, especially in areas with lots of open spaces where horses were useful. Guns became a heavily desired commodity but most natives lacked the infrastructure to manufacture them.

Technological secrets would become hot commodities, especially if new technologies could be produced without massive sociological changes (this was the problem with guns - it's near impossible to go from a society that doesn't practice mining or smithing to gun manufacture quickly). The more advanced peoples might try to avoid giving the less advanced access to technologies that let them be more independent, perhaps favoring things like weaponry that requires ammo they couldn't produce, or at least trying to keep tech secrets away from them.

Conflict between the more industrialized nations would change the playing field. "Barbarian" allies equipped with modern technology could serve as useful troops. Nations might court the barbarians with promise of technology or even secrets, if only to get them on their own side. This wouldn't even require open war; economic circumstances where the barbarians had access to raw materials or luxury goods could produce conflicts as powers vie for trading rights. They might even be recruited into proxy wars, with nations secretly or not-so-secretly funding the monsters to harass their enemies.

More astute races might notice other trappings of civilization than the immediately obvious and attempt to emulate them - or simply emulate them out of a love of the exotic. Illiterate races might realize the advantage of literacy and begin to write down their own language. Government reforms might attempt to centralize power in ways that would promote greater industrialization.

[Yora]

Monsters who opperate by infiltration will love it. In an urban society, people only know a small number of other people and it's completely normal to not have any idea who most people are. This means you can create new cover identities at any moment and in most cases you don't even have to pass as someone specific.
Monster worshiping cults can also thrive, as a closed of sub-culture won't be noticed by anyone if the members are properly taught to blend in with other people. In a rural village, you just can't go to a secret place without a lot of people wondering what's going on. In a big city, you can get away with a lot more.

[Metahuman1]

So, skimming the thread, I notice everyone want's to take something of a grim/dark/realistic approch to this. Thus, for my two cents, alternative point of view.

This is D&D, it should be fun.

Illithad Businessmen, Ogers running effective labor unions, that plucky Orc inventor that had this great idea to add rails under Muskets to fix the knew fangled bayonet daggers under the barrel so you could be able to cut+stab And have shot loaded in it at the same time, dragons running escort services, Beholders running for office to champion the oppressed (You know, the Gnomes and Halflings.).

Have fun with it. After all, it's an inherently insane concept. =)

[2nd_Fiddle]

Beholders running for office to champion the oppressed (You know, the Gnomes and Halflings.).

"I am always looking out for the little people"

[Metahuman1]

I'm so glad someone got that one. XD!

[VoxRationis]

They see the rifles and canons of humans and elves and make their own. Perhaps they'd even hire human engineers...

I think it's a big assumption to assume that the elves would be among those industrializing. I think it more likely they'd be getting the short stick of the affair. A lot of settings and people nowadays play up the "arrogant and elitist" aspect of elves more than the traits of being wise, close to nature, conservative, etc., which I would consider closer to their primary identity.
Dwarves might seem like a shoe-in for industrialization as well, but keep in mind that they represent the skilled craftsmen put out of work by the new machines. You might see serious unrest in the dwarven cities because of this.

[sktarq]

While labor and downtrodden underclass would probably be the most likely result. Even small cultural cues could lead to other options. Slave labor leading to slave warriors and whole civil systems based on such slave warriors like the Egyptian Mamluk and Kapıkulu armies. Or if a region known for a given industry the use of non human labor may become tied to that industry. Perhaps minotaurs have developed into a force that has come to dominate the gardening and commercial orchard businesses. Traditional decoration of skins on a cave wall has mutated to floral and vegetation sprays, crop mazes pop up every harvest season, being invited into a minotaurs personal garden is treated with great respect as they can be just as defensive as they were about mazes, hoof presses for olive oil are treated as signs of quality and an "indoor" minotaur is assumed to be defensive, violent, and harkening back to their less "civilized" fore-bearers. When turning to military they use their knowledge of plants to live off the land and since they never get lost make for great scouts. Calves in a metropolis may well be good guides while older ones may run a courier service (never gets lost and who wants to mess with 'em).

[Coidzor]

Goblins and Kobolds would be ideal factory workers. They breed and reach maturity quickly, and they have nice, small hands, so you don't even need child labor with them around, although kobold and goblin child labor would be able to get into cat-sized areas...

Also with (dog-lizard style) Kobolds they don't even need clothing, per se, so as long as the factory work is sufficiently unsafe that they don't populate to the point they expand out of their quarters (unless one *wants* them to produce more workers for another factory or to expand production), all they need is food, water, living space, and a communal creche or whatever it's called for their egg-laying place.

Orcs would be ideal for tasks requiring strength, and Arcanum presents Orc factory workers as practically slave labor of the industrialists of Tarant, the main city in the game.

Similarly Arcanum has some ideas about Half-Ogres and possibly Ogres as a race of bouncers and bodyguards, I suppose.

Minotaurs might have some potential usage as prison guards/wardens, I suppose, if one wanted to repurpose labyrinths as that instead of just slow death traps?

I suppose Medusae could integrate with society in a similar way to how hags are in the Potterverse?

[PersonMan]

I think it's a big assumption to assume that the elves would be among those industrializing. I think it more likely they'd be getting the short stick of the affair. A lot of settings and people nowadays play up the "arrogant and elitist" aspect of elves more than the traits of being wise, close to nature, conservative, etc., which I would consider closer to their primary identity.

This. In a setting of mine that's undergone a slightly magitech-y industrialization, the elves are the ones who haven't even started using gunpowder while other nations are controlling the seas with ironclads.

This problem extends to things like warfare as well - even for an industrialized society, issues with rapidly changing technology caused many nations problems due to their older leadership and lack of quick adaptation to the realities of war. If these issues crop up for a people whose old generals are 60 years old, what kind of ones would arise for a similarly arrogant, conservative leadership whose idea of the 'good old days' is over 200 years past?

[BRC]

I did this a couple times in different campaign worlds, with how the more traditional "monster" races integrated.

Goblins and Hobgoblins could adapt just fine, either building their own industrialized societies, or trying to fit in in "Humanoid" society, depending on if this world has established "Monster" nations, or if it's just a bunch of roving warbands and dungeon-dwelling tribes. If the latter, they're likely to come out of the dungeon and seek their fortunes in the city. One campaign I ran featured Hobgoblin-run labor unions, which was fun.

One thing to remember is that with Industrialization comes higher populations and bigger cities. So your standard roving band of orcish raiders isn't going to be as effective. All the good loot is going to be in the cities, which are too big for a nomadic warband to take on.
In addition, Industrialization usually means Centralization of power, which means that the leaders of nations are more likely to send in the troops, rather than waiting for a merry band of adventurers to wander by and eliminate the threat.

Personally, my settings tend to see the "Monster" races integrating, usually living in isolated districts in cities, working largely as manual laborers in factories.

Of course, some monsters may find they can join the new upper class. As the Aristocracy of Blood falls, the Aristocracy of Wealth rises, and an Orc's gold spends as well as anybody else's. Anybody with enough money can show up and start building factories, buying ships, and hiring workers. The sons of Warlords become Robber Barons, even as their footsoldiers become laborers.

[TeChameleon]

I think all this is ignoring two major factors of D&D; the gods and magic. What happens to the factory run on orcish slave labour when one of the older slaves is visited by Gruumsh in his dreams, is granted cleric levels, and starts calling down (un)holy fire after buffing the abrupt slave rebellion out the wazoo? Sure, the constables/military might be able to put it down, but if there's a passable chance of it happening any time you've got too many enslaved orcs in one spot, their popularity as workers might drop a little.

And with magic, the elves might not be as much of a non-issue as they seem at first glance. A strong affinity for both nature and the arcane means that they'll often turn out superiour druids, wizards, sorcerors and the like, which would tend to offset their technological and numerical inferiority. Probably not completely, but elves, while traditionalists, are hardly stupid. There will be some rangers and experimentally minded wizards and whatever who will be just itching to get their hands on the new technology and start enchanting it.

One other random thought- the gnomes. They're usually presented as being centuries ahead of the rest of the setting, technologically speaking, with the only real stumbling block being reliability. Kind of like a race of stubby mad scientists. If the rest of the world is hitting the industrial revolution, what will the gnomes be doing? Nuclear power (or just being mostly extinct from experimentation with the same >.>)? Maglev bullet trains that inadvertently become railguns every once in a while? Could be interesting to experiment with...

[MickJay]

You might find exploring the setting of the cRPG Arcanum interesting - it's a victorianesque, steampunkish setting in which the industrial revolution is steaming ahead while the magic users find themselves progressively displaced (as magic and technology are inherently incompatible in the setting). Half-orcs tend to work in factories owned by humans and gnomes, half-ogres serve almost exclusively as bodyguards of the rich (or turn to banditry), while many of the elves become increasingly hostile to the "progress", due to their natural magic affinity. Dwarves are, for the most part, embracing the changes due to tech affinity, but some deem the extensive use of steam power wrong (valuing artisanship and craft more highly than automated production). Pretty much any race intelligent enough to communicate is a possible PC race (with a few exceptions of isolated communities); minor "monster" races are still present in the wilderness and are invariably hostile.

[Silus]

I suppose Medusae could integrate with society in a similar way to how hags are in the Potterverse?

Three words: "Medusa Prison Warden".

[Erik Vale]

It depends entirely on the race.
Races that can't get their act together on their own [Ogres, Orcs, Goblins] will resist right up until the point they're made slaves [or slave-equivalents]. Naturest races will try to seek out their own Enclaves where they try to keep everyone else out. Those that have their act together [I.e. Kobolds] would probably start to modernize almost immidiately.

And races that don't need to sleep will be seen like blessings for their ability to work 24/7.

[Kaeso]

I think it's a big assumption to assume that the elves would be among those industrializing. I think it more likely they'd be getting the short stick of the affair. A lot of settings and people nowadays play up the "arrogant and elitist" aspect of elves more than the traits of being wise, close to nature, conservative, etc., which I would consider closer to their primary identity.
Dwarves might seem like a shoe-in for industrialization as well, but keep in mind that they represent the skilled craftsmen put out of work by the new machines. You might see serious unrest in the dwarven cities because of this.

True, though I think it would depend on the subspecies of elf as well I think. Of course would elves would vehemently oppose industrialization the moment it threatens their woodlands, and only halfway adapt to the modern world. I imagine they would, for example, import rifles from more industrialized societies and become a sort of modern rangers, but otherwise remain the same. Their modernization would serve the sole purpose of guarding their homes and woods better than before.

High or gray elves, on the other hand, I imagine would quickly industrialize, if not be one of the main driving forces behind it and attribute a lot of their prestige and arrogance to it. They would probably look down on the "uncivilized" savages who refuse to adapt to the changing world, including their woodland brethren.

[veti]

I've seen two radically different answers to this from radically different fantasy authors.

One, the grim/dark approach (The Witcher): non-human races are marginalised, ghettoised, exploited, massive conflict and needless hatred all around.

Two, the optimistic approach (Discworld): every race finds its niche. Just as dwarves are great craftsmen, so goblins may turn out to be wonderful singers and make beautiful pottery, gnolls really enjoy the work of street-cleaning, gargoyles are fantastic guards (because they can sit still and stare at one spot for years on end, if necessary)...

I like the second approach far better. Industrialisation is, inherently, a disruptive process - the 'old' social structures are going to be breaking down anyway, which creates opportunities for those ready to take them. For any sufficiently intelligent race, there would be some members who'd see those opportunities and react to them, and lots more who'd follow their lead.

Of course, any race not sufficiently intelligent to do that would probably be relegated to a rapidly-diminishing reserve of undeveloped land. Or zoos.

[Jay R]

A crucial decision for the DM is to determine whether magical production could be industrialized. I suspect not, and eventually magic would become a much smaller factor in the world. The same money that could create one wand of magic missiles could instead be used to build a factory to make muskets, for instance.

I suspect that the kobolds would be the first to invent steam power, thus effectively starting the Industrial revolution.

Dwarves would invent the assembly line, and run the best, most efficient factories.

Cheap labor in the form of the goblin races would parallel third world development.

Giants would power large machinery, like the trolls shown closing the Black Gate and hauling siege equipment in the Lord of the Rings movies.

And finally, the elves would stop being considered elite, as they stayed in their forests and slowly dropped behind everyone else in development.

[Sartharina]

So, in an Industrial Revolution type setting (Or, if you prefer, steampunk of whatever degree) how do you think the "monster" (Non-base) races would adapt to their trying to integrate into civilization? Or would they try at all?

I say Hobgoblins would spearhead the industrial revolution, necessitated by their warlike nature, cunning, and militant mindset. (And sturdiness)

First - the Hobgoblins fall to a mago-theocratic government to gain the arcane and divine power needed to retake the homeland of their ancestral empire. Then, after the forces of the oppressive mago-theocracy are spread thin, dissenters within the suppressed ranks, driven by a desire for Social Justice, rebel against the wizards and clerics making up the ruling caste. However, their lawful alignment, loyalty, and militant mindset keep them focused - and their first order of business is shutting down mages, and replicating magical effects through mundane means. So, through disciplined application of R&D, they quickly start developing machines that become rapid-firing firearms (Because they need to hit hard and fast to keep spellcasters disrupted) and highly-mobile artillery...

Okay, so what I'm actually saying is Hobgoblins should be Charr.

[Fable Wright]

I'd recommend looking at Eberron, especially Droaam and Darguul, for some idea of how monstrous races would integrate into society. For example, in Greywall, Harpies often serve as 'songbirds', singers with voices more beautiful than even the best of Bards. Medusae, having all above-average mental stats, took jobs as architects and stoneworkers, in addition to serving jobs as judicial magistrates capable of imposing some prison sentences. Ogre mages/Oni are skilled craftsmen, entrepreneurs, and generally intelligent people running businesses. In a more industrialized setting than Droaam, I could see Minotaurs being ideal middle management or legal consultants, with their innate ability to solve mazes being applied to both legal and business structures, even if they aren't intelligent or charismatic enough to be the face or head of a company. I could see Trolls being high-risk job workers like street policemen, firefighters (given, of course, heat-proof gear), and industrial machinery repairmen. The one Illithid in Greywall uses its superhuman intelligence and mental stats in city planning and mayoring, designing the place to evoke feelings of safety in public forums and fear in alleyways, in addition to ensuring an extremely loyal and uncorruptable peacekeeping force and ensuring optimal resource management.

[Ravens_cry]

I think you need to ask why the monster race is becoming civilized. Are they looking for power? Then I see it being one of the weaker, physically, monster races. Goblins are pretty classic for this, but let's go with Kobolds. I am imagining a charismatic leader seeking new allies, because, frankly, dragons don't give a flaming turd about Kobolds, despite or because of their slavish, worshipful attentions. Of course, this leads to clashes with the old guard and religious leaders with the Kobold community, even as Kobold society changes under the new order of things. There you go, drama and tension, the stuff stories are made of.
I can think of another reason why a more powerful monster race might be become civilized. Sure, the above can work too, broadly speaking, but let's say a race, say, orcs, invades a region and conquers it, but, the leader decides it would be more fun to stay and rule than to pillage and leave. The orcs become the new ruling class, but, over time, they start to become downright gentrified, being assimilated into a mingling to the two cultures, where Orcish is the language of court, half orcs are much more common and respected, new gods are worshipped, but, mostly, life goes on.

[Alex12]

I'd fully expect some races to be able to civilize more quickly, depending on exactly what you mean by "civilize."
For example, Illithids. They're generally pretty horrible for anyone who isn't an illithid or related race (Elder Brain, etc) but in terms of mental stats, they're just straight-up all-around better than humans, and that's on top of having a functioning society hidden underground. They're probably already industrialized, as least as much as is possible while remaining hidden from all the races that hate them (which is pretty much everyone)

Broadly speaking, industrialization requires at least something resembling a functional society with cities. So the more lawful races, the ones that tend to build cities (as opposed to camps and such) are more likely to industrialize. I could easily see a kobold warren carved into the side of a volcano that taps the geothermal energy to power huge underground factories, with the smoke from industry being vented from the top of the volcano.

[rs2excelsior]

Well, if you want the basis to seem realistic, then base it on reality. Find loose historical "templates," form them to fit, add magic to taste, and there you go. Sure, whatever templates you use will probably be oversimplifications (let's face it, we're playing a game, not writing a historical thesis), but they feel real--because they have happened, or at least the broad strokes. From my knowledge of the industrial revolution, there are four models you can go on for "monsters" catching up with the "civilized" races. Most of these work best if the monsters are in their own insular societies, outside of the main civilized regions (your fantasy equivalent of Europe).

1) Russia. Wants to catch up to the industrialized nations, but is generally backward. Finally gets a reformer in charge who modernizes (for better or for worse), and suddenly the huge peasant population makes it a powerhouse among the nations that it caught up to (at least occasionally).
2) Africa/the Americas. Far removed from the industrialized countries--culturally, technologically, and geographically--and is generally seen (falsely) as savages who are good for nothing but manual labor. Never given the chance to industrialize, but rather forced to be pawns of the other powers. Expect colonies with a tenuous connection to the motherland and all kinds of frontier adventure. Or, for added flair, go the route of North America, where the colonizers become predominant but develop their own identity, culminating in revolution and a new power, initially weak, but with growing influence on the world stage.
3) Japan. Through geographical isolation cuts itself off from the civilized nations. Reacts violently against outside influence. Can later reverse course, catch up quickly, and burst spectacularly onto the scene by taking on and beating an established power (the Russo-Japanese War is a fascinating period of history).
4) Internal Tension. This can take all kinds of forms, some of which have already been mentioned--Marxist hopes of uniting the Proletariat, Luddite rebellions against the machines that are taking their jobs, even a full-on armed conflict between industrial and agrarian parts of a nation, a la the American Civil War.

Pick what suits you for whatever groups you want (and what makes sense), and apply the general patterns to your world, molding them as needed. The catch with this approach is that your players probably don't want to play (or your readers read, I don't know the medium here) in Europe, circa 1800, BUT WITH ORCS. But, done well, you can mask the fact that you're basing things off history, but still give the world a sense of realism.

[Mastikator]

The goblinoid races are just as smart as humans, and far more hard working, disciplined and have shorter live spans (yes, that works in their favor). They would probably out-civilize the humans. It's races like elves, dwarves, halflings and even gnomes that would be left behind.

I suspect orcs would find themselves as slaves to the goblinoid races fairly quickly, or totally erradicated.

[Sartharina]

The only goblinoid race more hard-working and disciplined than humans are the Hobgoblins. Bugbears are schoolyard bullies, and Goblins are schoolyard brats.