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    Here we go.

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    Excellent. What do we do next?

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    I would assume we all need to post complete character sheets here. I will try to get mine done tonight.

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    Are we using default FC rules? FAE? I'm not sure what system I should be using to generate characters.

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    I've decided on FATE Core, simply because it'S what I've played recently so I know it better. Sorry for the confusion. My computer is being a monkey's behind again and I'm a little bit distracted by that heh.
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    Character One

    Lieutenant Commander Miranda Kain

    High Concept: Action Girl First Officer
    Trouble: Doesn't Know the Meaning of the Word Subtle


    Character Two

    Lieutenant Maria Rodriguez

    High Concept: Polyglot Communications Officer
    Trouble: Going Through a Messy Divorce


    I'm ready for the phase trio.

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    High Concept: Captain Shasi Niss: Finest Ship Captain alive.
    Trouble: Family lost to the war.

    High Concept: Engineer's Mate Meya Thantos: The Miracle Worker.
    Trouble: Is always seri- Look! A Squirrel!
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    "Look, a squirrel?" Haha
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    It was the only thing I could think of to describe how easily she can be distracted...

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    Character One
    Commander T'Loran (Second Officer / Operations Officer)
    High Concept: Well-Educated Vulcan Scientist
    Trouble: Brutal Honesty

    Character Two
    Lieutenant Rachael Givon
    High Concept: Genius Bruiser Security Officer
    Trouble: Heightened Aggression




    On Ranks:
    Normally, I would have expected the first officer of any TNG-era ship large enough to have a dedicated Science officer to be a full Commander. Still, my explanation for how Commander T'Loran ended up at Ops is that she's trying to get experience outside her speciality (science) before transferring permanently to the Command division, so even if she's the only full Commander on the ship she still wouldn't be assigned as First Officer. Officially she's still below Miranda Kain in the ship's chain of command regardless of the relative ranks the two hold. (And no, T'Loran won't be annoyed by this arrangement - if anything, she would have likely suggested it herself!)

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    IIRC it is official canon that Counselor Troi held the rank of Commander, though she had not ever taken command training or excercises since it was out of her specialty. Though I for one find it odd for a Lt. Commander to be the First Officer.

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    She did take command training, there is a whole episode devoted to it. It took her a while too
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    Yup. Troi didn't get to be a full commander until she'd passed the command training (she was a Lieutenant Commander originally). I believe that means she was one of only 3 main characters on TNG to end the series at a higher rank than they started it (along with Worf and Geordi).

    As for T'Loren, my idea was that she'd taken said training already (so she's qualified for a command position - as she'd need to be to hold the second officer position) but that she, herself, still feels like she's spent too long in the same speciality to take up a Command posting. A rotation in Ops is her way of broadening her experience of shipboard operations...

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    Makes perfect sense for a Vulcan.
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    Riker was assigned to the USS Hood as the First Officer immediately after his promotion to Lieutenant Commander. The USS Hood was an Excelsior Class starship. He was eventually promoted to Commander and subsequently transferred to the Enterprise in the first episode of TNG.

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    Honestly? Yes, I know it has happened before in the Star Trek canon. More often than a fully sane Augment does, and I'm playing one of those as my 'junior' character ;)

    I only brought the ranks up so I could address how Commander T'Loran would react to being under the command of Lt. Commander Kain. I don't actually have any problem with it, I just thought it was something that needed to be addressed.

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    It's all good. I'm just debating. I'm open to the possibility that I might have been wrong about assuming that Lt. Commander was a fine rank for a First Officer aboard a starship.

    Other examples:

    Spock started out as a Lt. Commander when he was First Officer of the Enterprise, but you specified TNG era.

    T'pol held the equivalent rank (Subcommander) when she was First Officer of the Enterprise. Interestingly enough, Trip Tucker held the full rank of Commander on the same ship. Again, though, not TNG era, and in this case, at least, there were special circumstances surrounding her assignment.

    Lt. Commander Worf was the First Officer aboard the Defiant, with Captain Benjamin Sisko as the Commanding Officer. But the Defiant didn't really have its own Science Officer -- on the other hand, I would point out that the Defiant acted as the flagship of a joint task force on at least one occasion, which certainly would seem to qualify it as a "ship of the line".

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    So... skills.

    It is obvious we need some extra skills apart from the default list. Here's my master skill list:

    Administration
    Communication Systems Operation
    Communications Systems Technology
    Computer Operation
    Computer Technology
    Damage Control Procedures
    Deflector Shield Operation
    Engineering (Deflector Shield, Life Support, Communications, Mechanical Engineering, Electronics, Personal Weapons, Starship Weapons, Impulse Drive, Warp Drive, Shuttlecraft. Transporter, Small Equipment)
    Environmental Suit Operation
    Instruction
    Language (depending on language picked)
    Leadership
    Life Sciences (microbiology, botany, biophysics, biocomputers, biology, zoology, biochemistry, exobiology, ecology)
    Marksmanship, Archaic Weapon (depending on weapon)
    Marksmanship, Modern Weapon (depending on weapon)
    Medical Sciences (medical, surgery, immunology, pathology)
    Negotiation/Diplomacy
    Personal Combat, Armed (depending on weapon)
    Personal Combat, Unarmed
    Physical Sciences (physics,chemistry)
    Planetary Sciences (geology, cartography, meteorology, geochemistry, geophysics)
    Planetary Survival
    Security Procedures
    Shuttlecraft Pilot
    Small Equipment Systems Operation
    Small Unit Tactics
    Social Sciences
    Space Sciences (Astronomy, Astrophysics)
    Starship Combat Strategy/Tactics
    Starship Helm Operation
    Starship Sensors
    Starship Weaponry Operation
    Transporter Operational Procedures
    Vehicle Operation
    Zero-G Operations
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    I am still reading the book. One or two pages at a time. lol I got overtime at work.

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    No hurry, am still sick and right now have trouble telling one game form the other. My husband says I walk around like a zombie and am kind of high on Niquil, too

    Like a zombieeee... raised for the very first tiiime, like a zoooombie, with no heartbeat, and hanging intestines..
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    Are all those skills in addition to the normal skill list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorceress View Post
    Are all those skills in addition to the normal skill list?
    Just the question I was looking for. From the look of it some skills cancel out the normal list, but what about Physique and Will? Are those still available, and if not what determines stress track?

    As for concepts, the one that's settled in my mind is a moderately militant andorian ground forces veteran who, after taking a severe injury even by 'modern' standards (which never fully healed), retrained as a medical officer. He's rather different from the archetype for his position, which he and everyone else is well aware of, but he's perfectly capable, if a little gruff.

    Copying the examples I see higher up in the thread and opening with HC/Trouble...

    Name: Lt. Commander Sharn
    High Concept: Ground-Pounding Veteran Medical Officer
    Trouble: Sometimes Cybernetics Aren't As Good As the Real Thing

    Skills wise I couldn't say exactly what and where just yet, besides the obvious medical, but there'd be some combat in there and probably some technical skill. Administration seems appropriate enough.

    And a general question: what rank is appropriate for a ship's medical officer?
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    And a general question: what rank is appropriate for a ship's medical officer?
    Lt. Commander or Commander are the typical chief medical officer ranks, though they're referred to by the honorific "Doctor" rather than by Commander.

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    During their series, so far we've had one Doctor that was a Commander (Crusher), one that was a Lieutenant Commander (McCoy), one that was a Lieutenant (Bashir - j.g. at the start, promoted mid-series to a full Lieutenant) and two with no formal Starfleet ranks (Phlox and the EMH). So, you know, take your pick.

    (Though personally, I'd go for Lieutenant Commander or above. If you go for Lieutenant, your main character will be the same rank as several of our side characters.)

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    Ah, fair points all round. Lt. Commander is it, then.
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    Yes the skill list is in addition.

    Any specialization in something which has several other skill under it (such as life sciences - biology) comes at a +4 with all other skills in the category being treated as +2. If you don't specialize it comes with what you assign to it but can't start with +4

    Ranks and skills (for the new skill list only)

    Ensign or normal crewman - normal distribution of one +4, two+3, fhree +2) and four +1 skills
    Lieutenant - 2 additional +1 skills OR 1 extra +2 OR a +2 skill raised to +3
    Lieutenant Commander - 3 additional +1 skills, OR 2 extra +2 OR 2 skills raised to +2 OR 1 extra +1 and one skill raised to +3 OR one skill raised to +4
    Commander - 1 additional +1 and two +2, OR two extra +3 OR 3 skills raised to +2 OR 1 extra +1, one +2 and one skill raised to +3 OR one skill raised to +2 and one to +4
    Captain - we'll figure that one out indiviually

    This is to reflect Starfleet training over time, and the need to know many different things to double in other positions.

    A senior crewman would also get skills adjusted but I doubt anyone would want to play crewmen here.
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    I think the combined skill lists and the default starting character skill array might cause some issues.

    I would recommend that you might consider the uncomfortable overlap of such skills such as "Personal Combat" and "Fight" as an example. Also, the fact that in Core, there are 18 skills normally, and you've added just about twice as many again, not counting the variations of specialties.

    Here's a link to the section in the FATE Toolbox that describes some of the issues that should be considered when adding or removing skills from the default skill list.

    Adding and Removing Skills

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    Generally I agree with Sorceress. I'd be very confused if the above skill list and the core list were both in use without some of the 'duplications' were removed. What's shoot with the Marksmanship skills in play? Where does Rapport end and Negotiation begin? Is Scholarship a really useful skill covering the create advantage aspects of all the science skills, or is it nothing now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimtina View Post
    Any specialization in something which has several other skill under it (such as life sciences - biology) comes at a +4 with all other skills in the category being treated as +2. If you don't specialize it comes with what you assign to it but can't start with +4
    So, to be clear, if I put my Great into Medical Sciences (medical, surgery, immunology, pathology) as the Medical Officer, I would choose one speciality, say surgery, to be the +4 and the rest would be +2?

    Whereas if I put a Good into the same, they would all be 'what you assign to it' +3?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimtina View Post
    A senior crewman would also get skills adjusted but I doubt anyone would want to play crewmen here.
    Hm... actually, if we're doing the secondary character thing, I might be interested in a senior crewman. Either a rough and tumble away team member or a diplomatic minion. Someone who can get stuck in in ways that the medical officer generally couldn't.
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    I got this list from my niece's GM, but he might have meant to remove the original skills, I just mailed for clarifications.

    And yes, that's how his group does specializations. He has 14 players though so that probably makes a difference.
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    That seems a bit unbalanced to me. From where I'm standing taking these skills at good seems superior all round than taking them at great.

    I'm not sure how I'd replace it all if I was starting over from scratch, but I did some googling and there's at least one fairly fleshed out Fate Core Star Trek mod out there. You can have a look here and you might get something out of it.
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