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2007-03-12, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Zombie/Skeleton Question
Okay, the SRD states that:
“Skeleton” is an acquired template that can be added to any corporeal creature (other than an undead) that has a skeletal system.
“Zombie” is an acquired template that can be added to any corporeal creature (other than an undead) that has a skeletal system (referred to hereafter as the base creature).Last edited by kpenguin; 2007-03-12 at 12:55 PM.
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2007-03-12, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
I would think the exoskeleton applies to the zombie requirements, but not the skeleton. But just my 2 copper pieces.
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2007-03-12, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
Well, if you're thinking about re-animating Vermin, I don't see why it'd be a problem. Considering that they are already mindless and they'd lose most of their abilities (like Poison). I don't think a DM would have a problem with allowing you to re-animate vermin. Now, if you're talking about Formians or something like that, you may be a little bit more hard-pressed to get DM approval.
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2007-03-12, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
The skeleton requirement is purely out-of-game fluff logic. If the DM feels an exoskeleton suffices for the purposes of his or her adventure or campaign, it suffices.
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2007-03-12, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
As a DM I would allow the exoskeleton of a vermin to operate as either the zombie or skeleton prerequisite. (Although I assign a timeframe on 'zombie freshness' to being dead less than four days.)
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2007-03-12, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-03-12, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
The Burn World of Athas has some nice templates for "bugdead" including one for exoskeletons.
http://www.athas.org/releases/totdl/
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2007-03-12, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
Its gotta have a skeletal system? Easy, there are two kinds of skeletal systems: Exoskeletons and Endoskeletons. Hence the 'skeleton' suffix. So yeah, using medical definitions of the terms used in the rules, an arthropod or similiar creature would suffice just fine. (fluff wise this would look cool too, a hollowed out shell that hunts you relentlessly..whats the big problem?).
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2007-03-12, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-03-12, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
You should develop differing templates based on state and nature of decomposition. That would be cool.
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2007-03-12, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
Hey, do mindflayers have skeletons? What about beholders? Mindflayers are based off squids, so I assume not.
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2007-03-12, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
Mindflayers reproduce by infesting human bodies and keep the same basic internal organs, so I assume they also keep the basic skeleton.
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2007-03-12, 11:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
Beholders do have a skeletal structure.
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2007-03-13, 12:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zombie/Skeleton Question
I know they detailed a beholder's internal structure, but I was reading over a friend's shoulder while playing a game at the time, so I don't remember what they said about skeletons. Though they did explain why beholders drool all the time... gross.
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2007-03-13, 12:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Why is that? No table manners?
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2007-03-13, 01:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well basically, what happens is they eat whatever it is they eat, which then gets put into their stomach. Unfortunately, there is no "exit" to the stomach, and as such, anything that they can't put to use gets sent back out the same way it went in. That drool that always drips from a beholder's mouth is essentially the bits of stuff they couldn't use as food - it's their bodily wastes.