New OOTS products from CafePress
New OOTS t-shirts, ornaments, mugs, bags, and more
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 39
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Oct 2013

    Default Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    I'm wondering if there's some kind of reason - practical, mystical or estethical - for stereotypical wizard/witch wardrobe in fantasy to often consist of a big, usually pointy hat and a robe or dress. Does it serve some function or is it just tradition? Or maybe it's simply what's popular or iconic among modern fans?
    In my games it depends on the individual caster's tastes/style/preferences, but most of them wear fairly normal clothes, unless they want people to know they're a caster or it's a professional attire (like for a court wizard or a priest).
    I'm making a magic academy for my game and would like for some of the younger female students to wear exaggerated, colorful and frilly witch dresses that you can see almost exclusively in some anime or manga (example). But because I know jack **** about fashion, I have no idea where the trend could have its origin (it's not common, but is starting to catch on among the girls; also, not all of the "witch girls" are as flashy, some wear simpler variations).
    In case the information could be useful, here's the TL;DR lore:
    The academy is one of a few magic schools in the game's world and, just like all the others, it was established only recently by a legendary adventuring mage after he retired from his travels. The man had a vision of a world in which magic education is commonly available to anyone with the talent and interest to undertake it. Up until that time mages were generally lone individuals who did research in their towers, or occasionally served some king or rich noble, or adventured, and took on only one or two disciples in their lifetime (to preserve some status quo or job availability or something like that). Many of them didn't really care that much for the life of a social outcast and did it mostly out of long lasting tradition or because their studies were more important to them.

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Titan in the Playground
     
    CarpeGuitarrem's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2008

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    I think a lot of it is historical: they're ceremonial/religious garb. In addition, wizards and witches are portrayed as being very old and behind-the-times. "Robes" is an easy shorthand for that, especially in a medieval-esque setting, where it was the older pagans and the Roman Empire folks who wore robes.

    The Dresden Files had an amusing riff off of this, because Harry wears a bathrobe as his wizard wear.
    Last edited by CarpeGuitarrem; 2014-09-25 at 04:44 PM.
    Ludicrus Gaming: on games and story
    Quote Originally Posted by Saph
    Unless everyone's been lying to me and the next bunch of episodes are The Great Divide II, The Great Divide III, Return to the Great Divide, and Bride of the Great Divide, in which case I hate you all and I'm never touching Avatar again.

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Titan in the Playground
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    I think it's a combination of two things:

    1. They don't wear armor, and
    2. Robes are academic clothes. (Graduation robes are the only modern reminder of how students and faculty dressed.)

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    TheThan's Avatar

    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    GI Joe Headquarters
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Because long slinky black dresses are incredibly sexy that’s why.

    (if you’re using the sorcerer class then you gotta show off that charisma somehow).

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Aedilred's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Bristol
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    I'm not entirely sure, but I suspect it has something to do with real-world religion, and thus the specifics of it and various theorising in that direction couldn't take place here. It is speculated that witchcraft became an object of transference for fear of other religious (often marginalised) groups and the great witch-hunts of early modern Europe took place at times when religious tensions were running particularly high. It is likely therefore there was some cross-pollination of imagery.

    Jay R's suggestion of an academic explanation may also have merit. Long robes are a staple in trade for people dealing in ways of wisdom even today (see: lab coats) and so likely would the wise women, cunning folk, (attempted) alchemists and doctors, not to mention generic academics, who probably helped inspire the classic imagery of the learned magician.
    GITP Blood Bowl Manager Cup
    Red Sabres - Season I Cup Champions, two-time Cup Semifinalists
    Anlec Razors - Two-time Cup Semifinalists
    Bad Badenhof Bats - Season VII Cup Champions
    League Wiki

    Spoiler: Previous Avatars
    Show
    (by Strawberries)
    (by Rain Dragon)

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Librarian in the Playground Moderator
     
    LibraryOgre's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    San Antonio, Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Robes also tend to be easier to make pockets for; pants with pockets are a relatively new thing, so a robe would make keeping small items handy fairly convenient. As mentioned, they tend to be ritual and academic wear, as well.
    The Cranky Gamer
    *It isn't realism, it's verisimilitude; the appearance of truth within the framework of the game.
    *Picard management tip: Debate honestly. The goal is to arrive at the truth, not at your preconception.
    *Mutant Dawn for Savage Worlds!
    *The One Deck Engine: Gaming on a budget
    Written by Me on DriveThru RPG
    There are almost 400,000 threads on this site. If you need me to address a thread as a moderator, include a link.

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Townopolis's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    N. California
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    None of this is professionally researched, but...

    Robes (real robes, not the multilayered getups you see the likes of Ezren wearing), are not traditionally worn with pants. In fact, robes are pretty much worn by themselves, sometimes with a belt. They're simple to make/repair, easy to get in and out of, and generally comfortable as ****. They do not, however, allow for a full range of motion. They allow for a wide range of motion, but you will have to hike them up to run at top speed at the least (unless they're short robes (read: tunics), in which case they aren't keeping your legs warm. This is why some people wear pants.

    Those whose professions don't involve a lot of physical activity, however, will generally find robes easier and not appreciably less functional than a shirt and pants.

    In short, the only reasons NOT to wear a robe are fashion and a need for greater freedom of movement, needs that wizard's generally lack. From there, it becomes a status/professional symbol--robes mean you don't move around much, which means you must be an academic, priest, or ruler.

    For obvious reasons, adventuring wizards would actually want to wear a shirt or tunic and pants. However, if their more urbane counterparts stuck with regular robes (and I see no reason why they wouldn't), some adventuring wizards might still want to include a robe-like element in their attire to communicate that they -are- still wizards.

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Octopusapult's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    All of the couches.
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    There are a lot of things that break the "big pointy hat & robes" tropes for wizards. D&D Sorcerers don't wear robes for example. Sabrina the Teenage Witch didn't wear robes. Hexers / Sorcerers in Dark Souls can (to the dismay of some PVP enthusiasts) wear the thickest set of armor in the game and still be relatively nimble.

    But you are right, the phenomenon is strange, and is still even prevalent in the sources I mentioned. D&D Wizards do wear robes, Sabrina's Aunts wore robes occasionally, Sorcerers in Dark Souls start with robes and one of the most iconic wizards is named after his huge pointy hat.

    It's interesting to say the least, and I doubt there's any solid evidence supporting any theories, but to guess, I'd say it's just carried over from the days before sweatpants when robes were the single most comfortable and readily available / socially acceptable thing for college / academy students to wear.

    Imagine in a hundred years, maybe the traditional "wizard" clothes will be college hoodies and sweatpants with the word "juicy" written across the back of them. Their places of learning will be Starbucks, and iPhones their catalysts.
    Like RPGs? Like free stuff? Check out RPG-a-Month by Archfossil! Every month a new game and additional content and updates for the games already active.

    RPG-a-Month for May : ACE - Assault, Control, Espionage

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Halfling in the Playground
     
    SwashbucklerGuy

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    I believe I read once, possibly on TVTropes, that the progenitor of the "robes and wizard hat" style was Odin, from Norse mythology. His typical outfit involved robes, and a wizardlike hat, to allow him to pretend to be a simple wanderer. He was also an accomplished magic-user, so that may have been the origin. I do recall that Gandalf the Grey was partially based on Odin, especially in terms of image, so that may have brought the trope into the modern day - do bear in mind I haven't researched this, so the idea of wizards in that sort of get-up may have been popular before Tolkien. Several other guesses I see on this thread seem plausible.

  10. - Top - End - #10
    Orc in the Playground
     
    SamuraiGuy

    Join Date
    Apr 2014

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    This is just spitballing, but robes, for much of European history, were primarily the clothing type of people who were neither peasants nor nobles: which is to say priests and scholars, and wizards, if they existed. Most real world figures who had magical powers attributed to them were priests in pre-christian times or scholars/alchemists later.

    Also, only semi-facetiously, take a look at a broad survey of historical clothing styles: it's like 70% percent robes and robe equivalents.

  11. - Top - End - #11
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Imp

    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Sweden
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    It's because of Gandalf. I don't buy that historical accuracy is important in fantasy tabletops, they certainly aren't for warriors.
    Last edited by Mastikator; 2014-09-26 at 12:08 AM.
    Black text is for sarcasm, also sincerity. You'll just have to read between the lines and infer from context like an animal

  12. - Top - End - #12
    Banned
     
    Sartharina's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Gender
    Female

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    I think Lordsmoothe adequately explained Robes. As for pointy hats - that's just the result of a half-assed way of making a simple wide-brimmed hat capable of providing shade. Wizards put minimal effort into getting dressed because they have more important things to worry about, like unlocking the secrets of the universe.

  13. - Top - End - #13
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Sith_Happens's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Dromund Kaas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Because they're comfy and easy to wear.
    Revan avatar by kaptainkrutch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrylius View Post
    That's how wizards beta test their new animals. If it survives Australia, it's a go. Which in hindsight explains a LOT about Australia.

  14. - Top - End - #14
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    Eldan's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Switzerland
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    That's robes explained, I have no problem with those. Religious, comfortable, etc...

    Does anyone have an idea on giant pointy hats, with or without brims?

    Wiki has a nice list of pointed hats, but none of those seem particularly scholarly, magical or religious to me.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointed_hat
    Last edited by Eldan; 2014-09-26 at 02:46 AM.
    Resident Vancian Apologist

  15. - Top - End - #15
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    TheThan's Avatar

    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    GI Joe Headquarters
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Well the brims are easy to explain.

    The broad brim provides you a lot of shade in order to protect you from the sun. Sombreros, cowboy hats, bush hats, those pointy hats people in Asia wear all do the same thing, keep the sun off of your head, face and neck. it's easy to see why someone would wear one if they're traveling alot.

  16. - Top - End - #16
    Firbolg in the Playground
     
    Milo v3's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Australia
    Gender
    Intersex

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sith_Happens View Post
    Because they're comfy and easy to wear.
    Can't tell if pokemon reference or not.....

    Also, I've strangely never seen a mage who wore robes in any of my games because the players couldn't find a benefit to wearing a dress in the wilderness.
    Spoiler: Old Avatar by Aruius
    Show
    http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/Zeritho/Koboldbard.png

  17. - Top - End - #17
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Togath's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Washington
    Gender
    Female

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    From my understanding while the idea may have existed before Tolkien to some degree, Gandalf really helped cement the idea.
    Last edited by Togath; 2014-09-26 at 04:21 AM.
    Meow(Steam page)
    [I]"If you are far from this regions, there is a case what the game playing can not be comfortable.["/I]

  18. - Top - End - #18
    Ettin in the Playground
    Join Date
    Feb 2012

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Quote Originally Posted by Togath View Post
    From my understanding while the idea may have existed before Tolkien to some degree, Gandalf really helped cement the idea.
    Indeed. Odin, a major (if not primary) inspiration for Gandalf was described as wearing hood or hat when out wandering. Which served the purpose of keeping weather off his head, but also gave him something to hide in; 'Grimnir', meaning 'masked' or 'hooded' being one of Odin's other names.
    My D&D 5th ed. Druid Handbook

  19. - Top - End - #19
    Troll in the Playground
     
    BarbarianGuy

    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Thaddeus View Post
    I believe I read once, possibly on TVTropes, that the progenitor of the "robes and wizard hat" style was Odin, from Norse mythology. His typical outfit involved robes, and a wizardlike hat, to allow him to pretend to be a simple wanderer. He was also an accomplished magic-user, so that may have been the origin. I do recall that Gandalf the Grey was partially based on Odin, especially in terms of image, so that may have brought the trope into the modern day - do bear in mind I haven't researched this, so the idea of wizards in that sort of get-up may have been popular before Tolkien. Several other guesses I see on this thread seem plausible.
    This is correct. Gandalf very much uses the template of the Odinic wanderer. His name means "Wand Elf" which is based on one of Odin's names Gondlir "wand bearer".
    Others of Odin's names from the eddas are Londugr "shaggy cloak wearer" and Sidhottr "Broad Hat", Langbard "long beard" and Harbard "grey beard".

    These are the apparel of a wanderer, the broad brimmed hat for shade, the weather worn cloak, and a staff or spear for walking and protection. Note, Odin's hat is not usually depicted as being tall or pointy, it is low and/or floppy, just with a wide brim.

    There's a few theories about where the conical hat for wizards and witches came from, and none of them are nice. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2...ty_design.html

  20. - Top - End - #20
    Banned
     
    Terraoblivion's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Århus, Denmark
    Gender
    Female

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    There are examples of Odin's hat being the kind of floppy point also associated with Gandalf, though, going all the way back to the dark ages. Similarly, some historical depictions of Merlin have him dress in much the same way as Odin and Gandalf, which kinda makes it more mysterious due to the overlap between Norse and Celtic mythology this creates.

  21. - Top - End - #21
    Barbarian in the Playground
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    The massive pointed hat is the favourite of the archmage because it is large enough to contain secret compartments for spell components, bottles of gin, assorted scrolls etc. they also look extremely impressive.

    More seriously I suspect its similar to the bishops mitre, the sillyness of ones hat has always denoted importance and so powerful wizards, like high priests would be expected to have a more elaborate hat.

    I think that the traditional Witches hat was derived from a fairly common form of headgear, around the 17th century. Look at pictures of people from the gunpowder plot or english civil war. I wonder if this became associated with witches by accident because a lot of prominent witch trials took place at that time so they were often depicted wearing that sort of attire.
    Time is but a pattern in the currents of causality,
    an ever changing present that determines our reality,
    the past we see as history, the future seed with prophecy,
    and all the time we think on time our time is passing constantly.
    Starlight and Steam RPG

  22. - Top - End - #22
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    Eldan's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Switzerland
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    I've googled a bit. The speculation seems to be that the depiction came from later times, when urban/burgeois people depicted "backwards countryfolk" and later crones wearing outdated clothing, including hats that were in fashion centuries ago.
    Resident Vancian Apologist

  23. - Top - End - #23
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Sep 2013

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    All these posts, and no mention of Headology yet?

    If you wear those clothes, you must be that type of person because those kinds of people wear those clothes. Take the pointy hat off, or swap the robes for tunic and breeches, and you're a normal person.

    Personally, my mages are wearing functional clothes while adventuring, not long robes that can snag and catch on things.

  24. - Top - End - #24
    Barbarian in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2013

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    I recall a bit of dialogue from the (sadly discontinued) fantasy graphic novel "Thieves & Kings":

    "Do you mind if I ask you a question about wizardry?"
    "Not at all"
    "Why the pointy hat?"
    "It channels the mystic energies of the heavens into my head!"
    "My! Really?"
    "Well, I certainly hope so. Otherwise, I've been discharging the contents of my brain into the sky all this time...."

  25. - Top - End - #25
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Tengu_temp's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Poland
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Quote Originally Posted by Eldan View Post
    Does anyone have an idea on giant pointy hats, with or without brims?
    Because giant hats are awesome.

    Siela Tempo by the talented Kasanip. Tengu by myself.
    Spoiler
    Show





  26. - Top - End - #26
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    S@tanicoaldo's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Gender
    Female

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    They use robes and pointy hats because they use energy and cones are better to conduct energy. So you have to wear a conical hat and wear robes that make you look like a cone.

    Also that is how the Magus(Priests in ancient Zoroastrian faith. Magus has also been used as another name for magicians and The Three Wise Men.) used to dress and it was said they knew astrology, astronomy and had supernatural powers.
    Last edited by S@tanicoaldo; 2014-09-26 at 10:38 AM.
    I'm not a native english speaker and I'm dyslexic(that doesn't mean I have low IQ quite the opposite actually it means I make a lot of typos).

    So I beg for forgiveness, patience and comprehension.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max_Killjoy View Post
    It's like somewhere along the way, "freedom of speech" became "all negative response is censorship".
    Quote Originally Posted by 2D8HP View Post
    "Gosh 2D8HP, you are so very correct (and also good looking), and your humility is stunning"

  27. - Top - End - #27
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Flumph

    Join Date
    Nov 2010

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Robes, hats, wands, and staves are "role accessories" for a wizard. That is, they're visual cues for others to recognize them as magicians. Just like a scientist without his lab-coat and clipboard, or a soldier without his fatigues and gun, or an executive without his suit and briefcase, a wizard without his robe and staff is not immediately recognized as such. While the "uniform" can be far from necessary to perform their duties, if one of these people goes to work without the proper attire, he will generally be considered unprofessional or eccentric, which may well damage his career prospects or in extreme cases result in termination.


    Of course, the style almost-certainly evolved over the years. Perhaps the wizards of old used to wear bones, furs, body-paint, spirit-masks, and long hair to fit in with druidic and animist traditions (and also out of an official belief that such garb increased their favor with the spirits). Maybe wizards after that began to eschew body-paint and furs due to a general rejection of the old gods, but gradually adopted robes, witch-doctor masks, or shaved their heads to associate themselves more closely with clergymen, doctors, and scholars. After that, they may have taken to wearing some odd hats and using staves (to differentiate themselves, avoid confusion, and look more fashionable). And perhaps it took some mad wizard's flair to bring the current "wizard's hat" into popularity.
    Last edited by Slipperychicken; 2014-09-26 at 11:47 AM.

  28. - Top - End - #28
    Librarian in the Playground Moderator
     
    LibraryOgre's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    San Antonio, Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    "I'm not putting them on. I like a healthy breeze around my privates, thanks." -Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
    The Cranky Gamer
    *It isn't realism, it's verisimilitude; the appearance of truth within the framework of the game.
    *Picard management tip: Debate honestly. The goal is to arrive at the truth, not at your preconception.
    *Mutant Dawn for Savage Worlds!
    *The One Deck Engine: Gaming on a budget
    Written by Me on DriveThru RPG
    There are almost 400,000 threads on this site. If you need me to address a thread as a moderator, include a link.

  29. - Top - End - #29
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    DwarfFighterGuy

    Join Date
    Jul 2007

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeGuitarrem View Post
    The Dresden Files had an amusing riff off of this, because Harry wears a bathrobe as his wizard wear.
    Another thing mentioned in the Dresden Files: it got cold in those big stone wizard's towers. So, a nice thick fuzzy robe was really nice on a cold evening.

  30. - Top - End - #30
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Sith_Happens's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Dromund Kaas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Stereotypical wizard/witch clothes

    Quote Originally Posted by Milo v3 View Post
    Can't tell if pokemon reference or not.....
    My references are top percentage.
    Revan avatar by kaptainkrutch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrylius View Post
    That's how wizards beta test their new animals. If it survives Australia, it's a go. Which in hindsight explains a LOT about Australia.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •