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Thread: Grappling a mounted steed
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2007-03-14, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)Banned
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Grappling a mounted steed
Ok, in one of my games an ooze has just grabbed hold of a player's horse and is constricting.
So a question... Is the rider in any danger of taking damage? Such as the ooze shifts to cover over both? I mean, the saddle just liquified beneath him...Last edited by The Vorpal Tribble; 2007-03-14 at 10:04 AM.
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2007-03-14, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)Titan in the Playground
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Re: Grappling a mounted steed
In order to constrict, the ooze would have to be in the mount's space. In order to be mounted, the rider would have to be in the mount's space.
Wouldn't the ooze be grappling with both of them at the same time?
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2007-03-14, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)Firbolg in the Playground
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Re: Grappling a mounted steed
1) This is a very good question.
2) I don't know.
My guess is that since a Grapple is a melee attack, and you can only taget one enemy with each melee attack (unless there is an explicit exception), then the ooze can only grapple the mount (or the rider), and that the rider would have to make a Ride check or fall off while the ooze tries to consume the mount beneath him.
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2007-03-14, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)Orc in the Playground
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Re: Grappling a mounted steed
How many sizes bigger is the ooze than the mount/rider?
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2007-03-14, 03:01 PM (ISO 8601)Dwarf in the Playground
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Re: Grappling a mounted steed
Maybe something similar to a Trample. The rider can either take an attack as the ooze swallows the mount (and be grappled as well) or make a reflex save/ride check to quickly dismount.
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2007-03-14, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)Troll in the Playground
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Re: Grappling a mounted steed
The Ooze dies instantly due to the horse and rider being so very damn pretty. Then the Ooze reforms into the corpse of a Half Red Dragon 10 Headed Cryohyrdra, and drops 250gp in Onyxs at the rider's feat. Also, the rider gets 10000xp and the horse gets the Air Creature template.
What?
That's what happens, I swear.
JaronK
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2007-03-14, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)Barbarian in the Playground
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Re: Grappling a mounted steed
Rider and mount are two different creatures, so one attack each. Ooze effects the mount only, until it tries to constrict the rider.
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2007-03-14, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)Ettin in the Playground
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Re: Grappling a mounted steed
I've wondered about this myself, though for different reasons. People like the idea of a Dire Tiger mount, but it uses improved grab as part of it's main attack pattern. So, what happens? I'm inclined to agree with the ride check idea. The DC to stay in saddle is 5 for if the mount bolts or you take damage, and 15 to negate damage from a fall. Maybe DC 20?
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