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    New comic is up.

    Also, in case you missed it, there's a News Post about the new holiday ornament and t-shirts, as well as answering some FAQ's about the book.
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    awesome comic - go Belkar - there was a time when he would have gleefully dined and bedded the gnome - he's developing a conscience?! :-)

    I'm going to miss the little guy when he's gone :-(





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    Finally, Belkar gets his due! I've been waiting for that. Roy's had his moments, now it's time for Death's Lil Helper! So now what? Time to get going to the next part of the adventure.

    Previously, things have been going rather slow. And now? Get ready for more. Exactly what we've been waiting for!
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    The tables have turned, its not Belkar who is "getting some" with a person, its someone "getting some" with Belkar!

    I also love how zoomed in the penals are on them.
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    That was, i don't know, sweet, dare i say cute. Really enjoyed this, gonna be interesting to see how Belkar uses this.

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    Not easy to live with character growth for poor Belkar!
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    Definite evidence in one comic both that Belkar is less evil than previously, and yet still evil.

    Is Rich TRYING to start forum arguments?

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    It’s not entirely clear in the last panel what Belkar said as a response to the merchant. Did he turn her down? I think so, but am not sure.

    Great comic as usual!

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    Nope, still evil.

    But maybe a little less so...
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    Awww, look at him grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xroads View Post
    It’s not entirely clear in the last panel what Belkar said as a response to the merchant. Did he turn her down? I think so, but am not sure.
    Yes, he turned her down.
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    Belkar committed a decidedly Good act! Granted, it was shortly after an Evil-ish act, but still.... Hooray!

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    Now to wonder what Belkar will do with his new Protection Against Evil item, heh! Is it possible to avoid it's effects while still benefiting from it's protection?

    Also, thanks Giant for the comic!
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    Poor Belkar, if only he knew Protection from Law would work all the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by littlebum2002 View Post
    Belkar committed a decidedly Good act! Granted, it was shortly after an Evil-ish act, but still.... Hooray!
    Erm, say what now? Choosing not to go on a date with someone does not have any inherent morality.
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    Oh wow, this is pretty important. On top of being hilarious this strip shows that Belkar actually cares about a complete stranger while also demonstrating that yes, Belkar is still evil. Very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Mage View Post
    Poor Belkar, if only he knew Protection from Law would work all the same.
    Unsurprisingly, Protection from Law is illegal in many places.
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    I hope it's enough.

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    Well, there go all the theories that Belkar has turned Lawful Good or something At least until he does his next non-blatantly evil act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Unsurprisingly, Protection from Law is illegal in many places.
    Not that Belkar would care.
    “Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Unsurprisingly, Protection from Law is illegal in many places.
    Makes sense.

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    So anyone taking wagers there's still some "Belkar is really Neutral" out there still?
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    That was really interesting.
    Not just that we have a "voice of God" answer on Belkar, but that Belkar is specifically rated as Evil, yet is still trying (whether to be fair or to be good, or both, is debatable, but given his retort, clearly trying).

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    Is he going to make Undurkon swallow it? I think he's going to make Undurkon swallow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lampert View Post
    Definite evidence in one comic both that Belkar is less evil than previously, and yet still evil.

    Is Rich TRYING to start forum arguments?
    Only insofar as the comic is always making controversial ethical points. This one may solve more than it creates. I already thought I was in the extreme minority in saying Belkar was no longer evil, though I still think a strict reading of the DMG implies alignment change should be easy enough Belkar could have accomplished it by acting neutral for one book.

    I think it pretty clear from this comic that Belkar is going to switch alignments only through dramatic death act. Probably to good to.

    Is there a case to be made that he's no longer chaotic?

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    Unsurprisingly, Protection from Law is illegal in many places.
    But how are you going to enforce it?
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    Why would Belkar wear a ring that's painful? Unless he's not the one that's going to wear it.

    And I can't believe anything could knock Belkar off his stride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    Is there a case to be made that he's no longer chaotic?
    He definitely looks averted to profiting from his trickery/trust betrayal towards gnome girl, even if it doesn't harm her in any way.

    I'd say he acted Lawful here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaanol View Post
    Erm, say what now? Choosing not to go on a date with someone does not have any inherent morality.
    But choosing to not exploit the nice gnome woman sexually and emotionally as well as financially does. Let's be real here, the best thing that could have happened to her on that date would be to be friendzoned, which men often claim is a terrible fate. And it only goes downwards from there.

    Turning down the possibility for sex is quite uncharacteristic for Belkar. As he is justifying his actions to his cat, I almost believe this is not a part of his clever plan to become neutral in order to be able to use protection from evil. (Although I wonder when he will realize that this would indeed be the clever thing to do. If he manages to become just neutral enough to not suffer from the effects of that thing, his chance of defeating Durkula will improve a lot.)

    Unrelatedly, it confuses the hell out of me when women hit on Belkar. His informed attractiveness just doesn't translate into his actual appearance. It does explain why she believes the item his broken rather than coming to the more logical conclusion that Belkar is evil, though.
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    What the...?! But...!! who...? WHO IS THAT AND WHAT HAS HE DONE WITH THE REAL BELKAR!!!????
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    Yay! I buy an OOTS T-shirt, and the next minute, a new chapter comes out. You guys should all buy T-shirts too!

    …Is Belkar getting a conscience?
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