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    Default Junkyard Wars VIII: Pounce+Small Size-Barbarian

    Welcome to Junkyard Stadium! It is in this hallowed pile of miscellaneous parts that we will hold a competition of Practical Optimization with three components. The catch? Competitors may not use the third item in their builds!

    Goal: Create a build that showcases the selected ingredients while steering clear of the Forbidden Ingredient.


    This competition has two Necessary Components and one Forbidden Component. Because my own ideas are only half-formed as of yet, I picked Ponies' brain for the ideas that he had while he was chair. This was one that really stuck out to me. As a required ingredient, we have a hugely important component of a good deal of melee optimization, but the twist is that we'll be requiring small size, which is often a hindrance for melee types, and forbidding the simplest and most common means of acquiring the aforementioned melee staple. Fire up your rudisplorkers, this round's components are...

    • Necessary: The Pounce special ability!
    • Necessary: Small or smaller size!
    • Forbidden: The Barbarian base class!


    Contestants:

    So you wanna give this thing a shot? Awesome! The rules are as follows:
    • Creation: 32 point-buy is the presumed creation method. If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in Elegance and/or Power. XP is assumed to be 190,000--just enough to hit 20th level. This is a departure from previous rounds that awarded "bonus XP" to use for crafting, LA buyoff, etc. No more!
    • Workshop: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon Magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. If you use web material, link it. Dragon Magazine Compendium is allowed, as are Oriental Adventures and the Dragonlance Campaign Setting. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt and fractional saves are not allowed, as they create a different playing field.
    • Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until after the reveal in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
    • Disputes: Any scoring disputes should be sent to the Chair via PM. Valid disputes include RAW misreadings, arithmetic errors, things missed that are present in the entry, and inconsistently applied criteria. Invalid disputes include disagreements on matters of opinion, a judge not catching something not explicitly presented in the entry, and the like. Invalid disputes will be responded to via PM by the Chair, but valid disputes will be posted in-thread for the judge to review. When disputing, please indicate the judge the dispute is intended for and provide a quote of the disputed comment or comments. Note: the Chair may edit or paraphrase any disputes in presenting them to the judges.
    • Leadership is banned: We're creating one things, not all of the things. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.
    • Presentation: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability throughout its life. Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries. Also for this reason, PLEASE do not include any material that may or may not offend any potential viewers/judges/competitors OR break forum rules. Any builds which violate forum rules WILL be withheld from posting.


    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    NAME OF ENTRY
    Level Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features
    1st New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    2nd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    3rd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    4th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    5th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    6th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    7th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    8th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    9th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    10th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    11th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    12th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    13th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    14th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    15th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    16th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    17th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    18th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    19th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    20th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities

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    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
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    [th][B]Base Attack Bonus[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Fort Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Ref Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Will Save[/B][/th]
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    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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    [tr]
    [td]2nd[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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    [tr]
    [td]3rd[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]4th[/td]
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    [td]5th[/td]
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    [td]6th[/td]
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    [td]7th[/td]
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    [tr]
    [td]8th[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]9th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]10th[/td]
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    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]11th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]12th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]13th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]14th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]15th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]16th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]17th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]18th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]19th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
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    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
    1st - - - - - - - - - -
    2nd - - - - - - - - - -
    3rd - - - - - - - - - -
    4th - - - - - - - - - -
    5th - - - - - - - - - -
    6th - - - - - - - - - -
    7th - - - - - - - - - -
    8th - - - - - - - - - -
    9th - - - - - - - - - -
    10th - - - - - - - - - -
    11th - - - - - - - - - -
    12th - - - - - - - - - -
    13th - - - - - - - - - -
    14th - - - - - - - - - -
    15th - - - - - - - - - -
    16th - - - - - - - - - -
    17th - - - - - - - - - -
    18th - - - - - - - - - -
    19th - - - - - - - - - -
    20th - - - - - - - - - -
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    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
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    [tr]
    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
    [th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]
    [th][B]1st[/B][/th]
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    [th][B]3rd[/B][/th]
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    [th][B]6th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]7th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]8th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]9th[/B][/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [td]-[/td]
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    [td]6th[/td]
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    [td]11th[/td]
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    [td]20th[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [/table]

    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.

    Judges:

    • Scoring: Each judge is required to provide the criteria by which they are judging the builds. By "criteria," we mean a simple explanation of what the judge is looking for in each of the below categories and what kind of scoring we can expect. If a judge deems a build to be illegal, they may provide a 0 in Elegance but may not refuse to judge any build presented by the Chairman.
    • The Categories: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Components.
      • Originality: Basically put, does the build stand out from the crowd? Some judges score entries for the quality of their concept & backstory as well, though not all do. Providing at least some backstory is heavily encouraged, as it helps the judges figure out who the entry is.
      • Power: Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
      • Elegance: This category was formerly titled "Build Stability." Here, we're essentially measuring how skillfully you put your build together and how you balanced flavor with power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Some judges have penalized dipping classes in this category. Rule adherence and legality of sources is scored under this category. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not. Note: for this round, the use of Level Adjustment should not receive a deduction. LA Buyoff, however, may receive deductions at each individual judge's discretion.
      • Use of Components: Was the Forbidden Component avoided? Were the Necessary Components showcased, or simply used because they were necessary? Note: some judges deduct for things that still hold the feel of the Forbidden Ingredient, even if said ingredient itself is not used (ex: using savant levels when factotum is forbidden).
    • Disputes: Any scoring disputes will be posted by the Chairman in-thread after reviewing them privately. Valid disputes include RAW misreadings, arithmetic errors, things missed that are present in the entry, and inconsistently applied criteria. Invalid disputes include disagreements on matters of opinion, a judge not catching something not explicitly presented in the entry, and the like. Invalid disputes will be responded to via PM by the Chair, but valid disputes should be responded to by each individual judge. Should a judge fail to respond to a valid dispute in a timely fashion, the Chair reserves the right to respond on behalf of the judge.


    Completion Time:
    • Contestants will have until [11:59 PM GMT on January 4th, 2014] to create their builds and PM them to the chairman, WhamBamSam.
    • Builds will then be posted simultaneously to avoid copying.
    • Judges will have until [11:59 PM GMT on January 18th, 2014] to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.
    • As the precedent has been set from Episode 2, should all prospective judges have posted their rulings in a neat, timely fashion and all disputes have been settled satisfactorily (to either judges, contestants, or the Chairperson), the judging period may end prematurely to give way to a new episode. No reason to keep working on a finished building and avoid moving onto the next one.


    So who wants to sign up as a contestant and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build that doesn't gain a medal. Contestants are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM. Everyone else can vote in-thread. Ready? Steady? Get to the junkyard and start building!

    Previous Competitions:
    Episode 1: Shadowdancer + Sneak Attack - Rogue
    Episode 2: Healing Spells + Ruby Knight Vindicator - no Cleric
    Episode 3: Dragon Type + Mystic Theurge - Kobold
    Episode 4: Book of Exalted Deeds + Undead Type - Completes Books
    Episode 5: Dread Witch + Reaping Mauler - Fighter
    Episode 6: Wonderworker + the Profession Skill - Factotum
    Episode 7: Metamagic-Feats+Level Adjustment-Metamagic-Reducers!
    Last edited by WhamBamSam; 2014-12-28 at 04:41 PM.

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    Web 3.0 is allowed, are official 3.0 books allowed? What about officially licensed books?
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    JW follows the same rules as IC. 3.0 stuff is fine as long as it hasn't been updated in an allowed 3.5 source. Officially licensed, but not WotC-official materials such as the Dragonlance books other than Dragonlance Campaign Setting or individual Dragon Magazines as opposed to Dragon Compendium are disallowed.

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    You're still referencing the metamagic contest in your blurb.
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    AW YISS. I'm so glad the Junkyard is back!

    ...Now I just have to force myself to finish my Slime Lord entry before I focus on this...

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    You're still referencing the metamagic contest in your blurb.
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    AW YISS. I'm so glad the Junkyard is back!

    ...Now I just have to force myself to finish my Slime Lord entry before I focus on this...
    You'll have a week after the IC deadline to submit here. And of course, any competitors too busy with their Slime Lord builds to compete here would be more than welcome to judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhamBamSam View Post
    You'll have a week after the IC deadline to submit here. And of course, any competitors too busy with their Slime Lord builds to compete here would be more than welcome to judge.
    My worry isn't that I won't have enough time to do this after I finish my Slime Lord; it's that I won't bother to finish up my Slime Lord because I'm too excited about JW being back. I have a habit of not paying enough attention to IC when there's an active JW going.

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    I'm glad to see the Junkyard back too.

    Hopefully I can get involved in this one.

    And no Pouncebarians! I have to say that I like the sound of that.

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    yay its back, just as i come back!

    i want to enter this, i already have a great idea.

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    Does it have to be the actual pounce ability, or can it be something that is essentially pounce?
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    I'll say that Pounce analogs that actually function as pounce are fair game (ie, if you make a full attack at the end of a charge then it counts, but something like Travel Devotion that allows you to move and full attack in another way does not), but that some of them (not naming names to avoid speculation) might warrant UoSI penalties at the judges' discretion.

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    Do you specifically want small size, or are sizes smaller than small acceptable?

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    Do you specifically want small size, or are sizes smaller than small acceptable?
    I'm cool with sizes smaller than small, I guess. I'll update the OP accordingly.

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    I might enter this, I have loads of work in for January though and I might not have time.

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    are shining south and unapproachable east valid books?

    im my tables 3.0 is iffy and any campaign books are banned anyway. so my knowledge on what is and isnt third party is bad.
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    Wish I had seen this two weeks ago, looks like an awesome character concept, a la Wee Mad Arthur from Pratchett's Discworld. I'll be looking over the builds with interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madtinker View Post
    Wish I had seen this two weeks ago, looks like an awesome character concept, a la Wee Mad Arthur from Pratchett's Discworld. I'll be looking over the builds with interest.
    You may get a chance to build after all. I haven't gotten any builds yet, so I'll probably be giving an extension. I think it's the holidays. I've had plenty of free time to work on contests, but I've still been pretty lazy about it even so, and I know a lot of people have more responsibilities than I do this time of year.

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    i have my build half done. the problem is it just doesnt seem to work the way i want it to...
    Damn girl you definitely have a +8 size modifier to AC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhamBamSam View Post
    You may get a chance to build after all. I haven't gotten any builds yet, so I'll probably be giving an extension. I think it's the holidays. I've had plenty of free time to work on contests, but I've still been pretty lazy about it even so, and I know a lot of people have more responsibilities than I do this time of year.
    An extension would be great. I did indeed get waylaid by the holidays, and when I came back to my otherwise-completed build, I had forgotten all but the vaguest outlines of the fluff I intended.

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    are shining south and unapproachable east valid books?

    im my tables 3.0 is iffy and any campaign books are banned anyway. so my knowledge on what is and isnt third party is bad.
    They both are, yeah. As far as I know, all 3.0 and 3.5 Forgotten Realms books are official first-party stuff.

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    somehow i completely managed to miss this going up ... odds are low that i'm going to cook even if it looks interesting unless it get some kind of extension, so i might try my hand at judging.

    Do the pouncing explictly have be called out as pouncing or does it just have to work mechanically similar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sakuuya View Post
    An extension would be great. I did indeed get waylaid by the holidays, and when I came back to my otherwise-completed build, I had forgotten all but the vaguest outlines of the fluff I intended.
    Yeah, I'm just wondering whether I should give you guys one or two weeks of extension. One week would line up JW cooking time with the IC judging period, while two would stagger them a bit more, so that it'd overlap some IC cooking and some IC judging. I'll decide by tomorrow, but you guys will get at least a week more to work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sian View Post
    somehow i completely managed to miss this going up ... odds are low that i'm going to cook even if it looks interesting unless it get some kind of extension, so i might try my hand at judging.

    Do the pouncing explictly have be called out as pouncing or does it just have to work mechanically similar?
    Here's what I said earlier in regards to that question.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhamBamSam View Post
    I'll say that Pounce analogs that actually function as pounce are fair game (ie, if you make a full attack at the end of a charge then it counts, but something like Travel Devotion that allows you to move and full attack in another way does not), but that some of them (not naming names to avoid speculation) might warrant UoSI penalties at the judges' discretion.
    So as long as they're making a full attack on the end of a charge, don't FtQ them, but beyond that I'll defer to the judges judgment.

    Quote Originally Posted by sideswipe View Post
    are shining south and unapproachable east valid books?

    im my tables 3.0 is iffy and any campaign books are banned anyway. so my knowledge on what is and isnt third party is bad.
    Yep, 3.0 material is fine so long as it hasn't been updated in a 3.5 book.

    Faerun and Eberron books are all first party. Some other settings like Rokugan and Dragonlance are more complicated.

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    I have a build that's about half done, but I have a sneaking suspicion sideswipe and I might be thinking in the same direction, which would kind of suck, along with the fact that I don't know that it fits the parameters of "make full attack at end of charge"... Another thought did just occur to me, so I'll get back with any decisions on that one...
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    i will be entering, but i feel it is a bit of a loss of elegance to my original idea....
    Damn girl you definitely have a +8 size modifier to AC!

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    I decided on probably the 4th or 5th attempt at this challenge. I'll message the chairman in about 12-18 hours or so with the final version, assuming we're having that week extension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeaselGuy View Post
    I decided on probably the 4th or 5th attempt at this challenge. I'll message the chairman in about 12-18 hours or so with the final version, assuming we're having that week extension.
    Yeah, it'll be a one week extension. I may give more time on the next challenge if I decide I'd prefer it to line up differently with Iron Chef. I'll update the OP accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideswipe View Post
    i will be entering, but i feel it is a bit of a loss of elegance to my original idea....
    If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure my build is also gonna take a big ol' elegance hit.

    EDIT: Oh, thank goodness. If there wasn't an extension, I was gonna have to send in my build with no fluff, which, aside from being generally a bad idea, would mean that all of you would know exactly which one is mine.
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    Yeah, I think my first 2 builds were not going to sit right with the charge parameters, my third one just seemed kinda flakey, my 4th one was skirting the line being too much like the forbidden ingredient, but this fifth one, I like it. And it's pretty cheese-free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sakuuya View Post
    If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure my build is also gonna take a big ol' elegance hit.

    EDIT: Oh, thank goodness. If there wasn't an extension, I was gonna have to send in my build with no fluff, which, aside from being generally a bad idea, would mean that all of you would know exactly which one is mine.
    mine is the one with the small size and the pounce
    Damn girl you definitely have a +8 size modifier to AC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideswipe View Post
    mine is the one with the small size and the pounce
    Oh, crap, I think we're going for the same build.

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    Oh, crap, I think we're going for the same build.
    Why is everyone stealing my idea all of a sudden? I'm doing a small pouncer too!
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