Support the GITP forums on Patreon
Help support GITP's forums (and ongoing server maintenance) via Patreon
Results 1 to 10 of 10
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Tyrael's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    California, Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Knowledge: Everything?

    My DM and I were discussing class skills just now and I came upon something interesting: p.184 DMG, Dragon Disciple, has "Knowledge (all skills, taken individually)" listed as a class skill.

    What exactly does this entail? Does the DD have knowledge of all skills? Like, does a DD know how to build a wagon just as easily as he knows which salad fork to use? Or does it mean something else?

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Zombie

    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    The Mindfields
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Knowledge: Everything?

    It means knowledge Arcana, Religion, Dungeonerring, Nature, The Planes, Local, and Nobility and royalty are all class skills, but each skill is seprate.
    Ceika is amazing, because she made my Yuna avie. Yay Ceika!

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Krellen's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007

    Default Re: Knowledge: Everything?

    If you look in the PHB (or the skills list, if you're looking at the SRD), it means the Dragon Disciple has all those Knowledge (blah) skills as class skills. It translates to ten skills; it's a shorthand, instead of having to write out all ten Knowledge skills.

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Orc in the Playground
     
    Galathir's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Brinkley Court
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Knowledge: Everything?

    Of course, you still would need to put skill points into them to use them, just like any other character. You just get them as class skills. I think wizard is the same way (or was in 3.0)
    Currently Running
    The Gavisoria Games: IC | OOC
    The Obsidian Guild: IC | OOC

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Dhavaer's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2005

    Default Re: Knowledge: Everything?

    The Wizard, Bard, and Knowledge domain Clerics are the same. Several other base classes and PrCs also have this.
    Thanks to Veera for the avatar.

    I keep my stories in a blog. You should read them.

    5E Sorcerous Origin: Arcanist

    5E Class: Spellsword

    5E Spells: Alternate Damage Cantrips

    Spoiler
    Show
    Quote Originally Posted by ClericofPhwarrr View Post
    Dhavaer, your ideas are like candy from the sky, sprinkled lightly with cinnamon.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll View Post
    Wow. Badass without being flashy and showy, attractive while remaining classy. Bravo Dhavaer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    ...Why do I imagine you licking your lips and rubbing your hands together?

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Devil

    Join Date
    Jun 2005

    Default Re: Knowledge: Everything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krellen View Post
    If you look in the PHB (or the skills list, if you're looking at the SRD), it means the Dragon Disciple has all those Knowledge (blah) skills as class skills. It translates to ten skills; it's a shorthand, instead of having to write out all ten Knowledge skills.
    Actually, it means a bit more than that, too. You see, the Knowledge skills given in the PHB are simply "typical fields of study"; it's not meant to be an exhaustive list. So, for example, if there's some other broad category of knowledge in a given campaign world that doesn't much overlap the listed ones, then there's a Knowledge skill associated with that, and a Wizard, Bard, or etc. would have that as a class skill. Knowledge(psionics) would be a class skill for a Wizard or Bard in a campaign that included the psionics rules, for example. In addition to campaign-specific stuff, it also covers bodies of knowledge that are simply esoteric. So if you had a Wizard character highly interested in mathematics, logic, ontology, and epistemology, you could give him Knowledge(philosophy), for example.

    Basically, the writers seem to have decided that sticking "Knowledge (all skills, taken individually)" in a list of class skills was easier than adding a sentence saying "In addition, all Knowledge skills are class skills for a [class]", or something similar. Now, why they couldn't have just gone with plain "Knowledge" instead -- seeing how that's exactly anologous to what they did with Perform, Profession, and Craft -- is a bit of a mystery. My guess is that the rules writers just hate being consistant. Oh, sure, it might sound like an implausible theory at first, but careful study of the books reveals a lot of supporting evidence.

    In this particular case, the usage of a special notation for Knowledge leads to understandable confusion. They use each of "Craft", "Perform", and "Profession" to refer an indefinite list of similar skills, so one might understandably think that by using "Knowledge (all skills, taken individually)" instead of just "Knowledge", they meant something different/special.

    But they didn't.
    Spoiler
    Show

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Banned
     
    Lord Iames Osari's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Up in the sky
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Knowledge: Everything?

    Well, I think that the reason they do it differently for Knowledge is because, AFAIK, there is no class that grants only Craft (pottery) or Profession (bookbinder), but there are plenty of classes that grant Knowledge (religion), Knowledge (nature), or Knowledge (blah).

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Illiterate Scribe's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Dat Shoggoth

    Default Re: Knowledge: Everything?

    The thing about Knowledge:Everything is that it's a short step along the road to Profession:Overdeity, allowing you to carry out the normal day to day tasks associated with that career.

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Firbolg in the Playground
     
    Planetar

    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    London, England.

    Default Re: Knowledge: Everything?

    Was I the only one who looked at the title of this thread, read it as the Knowledge (Everything) skill, and thought of Batman? :P

    - Saph

  10. - Top - End - #10
    Titan in the Playground
     
    The_Snark's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2006

    Default Re: Knowledge: Everything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Iames Osari View Post
    Well, I think that the reason they do it differently for Knowledge is because, AFAIK, there is no class that grants only Craft (pottery) or Profession (bookbinder), but there are plenty of classes that grant Knowledge (religion), Knowledge (nature), or Knowledge (blah).
    Loremaster gives Craft (alchemy) as a craft skill, but no others. But aside from that one, I think you're probably right.

    Actually, this thread reminded me about a thread that talked about a Craft (anything) skill.
    Avatar by GryffonDurime. Thanks!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •