OOTS #972 - The Discussion Thread

[The Giant]

New comic is up.

[Tvtyrant]

Of course it is an undead or golem, it is using slam attacks.

Also it has a high trip attempt and DR.

Could be the super zombies from Incarnum. They don't lose their minds, and attack with slam attacks.

:C I liked my theory!

[Porthos]

Well, so much for Team Revenant.

[denthor]

Flesh golem for the win

Oh and leave it to Rich to take all the fun out a chick fight

Haley had better tatse in girls than that?!!!!

[zql]

Well, thats a good DR.

[deuxhero]

Well if it's a construct the good news for the order is that they aren't dependent on Thundershield's (not particularlly high) Knowledge: Religion to know what it is.

[r2d2go]

Well, thats a good DR.

That or very high armor class?

[CoffeeIncluded]

See Haley, this is why you go melee and pick up Penetrating Strike.

So she's become some kind of flesh golem that retains its intelligence score. Is it homebrew or from a rulebook? But why was she turned into this and not raised?

[Tvtyrant]

That or very high armor class?

I'm banking on DR, because she isn't wearing armor nor dodging. I suppose it might be high NA, but that seems less likely.

[ti'esar]

Well, so much for Team Revenant.

Ayup.

For some reason the way those gnomes in the first panel are just standing around is really funny.

[Angelalex242]

Probably DR 10/Adamant or even 15/Adamant. DR/Adamant is typical for golems. If it were a clay golem, it's be adamant and bludgeoning, but it's a flesh golem, so that's not happening. \

Though typical for flesh golems is 5/Adamant.

I admit to being curious as to who did qualify for her taste.

[Krakes]

So what will be the secret weakness of Crystal golem?

[Gnoman]

Haley's line about having had "better taste in girls than that" is interesting. The two times that that's been referenced before (unless I'm missing or forgetting something), her interests in that direction were described as secret (per her comments to Elan while aphasic, and the appearance in her head of "Haley's latent bisexuality.") The question I have is "Is this a result of her character development toward being more honest, even with herself", or a simple matter of "She was talking about her ex-girlfriends, so I was talking about mine." Either implies a pretty interesting character development given Haley's trust issues, secretiveness, and general paranoia from earlier in the comic.

[chy03001]

But why was she turned into this and not raised?

I smell the workings of Grubwiggler... must still be mad at Haley for raiding his home.

[PirateMonk]

But why was she turned into this and not raised?

Because a monster with DR and immunity to Sneak Attack is way more effective against a rogue than a human is.

[Starwulf]

Wonder how long before Roy walks into the panel and swipes her head off with his sword. For some reason, I just don't see this being a major threat/fight scene. Either Haley will finish it in the next 2-3 comics, or as I said, Roy comes in and one-shots it.

[DaOldeWolf]

So, I suppose its kind has been revealed. And she looks scary strong to boot. I hope Haley makes it through.

[Bulldog Psion]

For some reason the way those gnomes in the first panel are just standing around is really funny.

Yes, it is hilarious. Especially the one off on the left there, though she's fleeing in terror in the next panel.

Haley's line about having had "better taste in girls than that" is interesting.

Yes -- it makes one wonder if Haley's latent bisexuality has only become latent since she met our favorite Charisma 18 bard.

[Angelalex242]

Haley will be fine. The oracle foresaw a happy ending for Elan. There's no way Elan gets a happy ending without Haley at his side. So she's got plot armor.

But yes, a golem with DR and immunity to sneak attack is very effective against a rogue. Even Roy's sword, which is starmetal, not adamant, should suffer the DR.

Her wands would help. Fire or cold damage will slow the golem. But don't use electricity...

[AbyssStalker]

I love the incorrect genre saviness that Bandana displayed, a good guess, but that's to be expected from someone who served under Julio.

[littlebum2002]

A flesh golem! I'll admit, I criticized those that guessed it, but they were right. She's not a Revenant after all!

I admit to being curious as to who did qualify for her taste.

Aren't we all? Lol

[crayzz]

I always imagined flesh golems as if they didn't have any bones, just immense strength in place of them.

[dmc91356]

I like the way we see it develop. Holy Water - nope!

[ss49]

I dunno, that's a lot of DR to overcome for any of the party.

[Ninja Dragon]

Spoiler

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I missed you Crystal.

[Anarion]

Yikes, Elan and Haley are probably the two worst party members for combating some kind of spirit-infused animated flesh golem thing. Where's V with the fireballs and Roy with the extremely large enchanted sword?

[Ridin'TheCrash]

Thanks giant for finnaly clearing up the undead debate!

[Shadowknight12]

It's so nice to see Bandana and Haley bonding over past girlfriends. It's also good that you can show two romantically compatible women discussing their past love lives without it implying any sort of romantic attraction or things getting awkward. It's written really naturally, good job Giant.

[Liliet]

1. So that settles THAT debate.
2. GO BISEXUAL HALEY
I like the "I had much better taste in girls" Haley much better than "I... kissed a girl once... SHHH IT'S A SECRET" Haley.
3. Still enjoying Crystal's dialogue. "I will kill you until you are SO dead" wins over Elan's puns anytime.
4. YEEEE GIRL FIGHT

[Reddish Mage]

I think if the flesh golem is deflecting Haley's best arrows without any effect it has to be home-brewed. Though there are a variety of construct options out there and the DR doesn't have to be at "no arrow ever gets through"

Haley's line about having had "better taste in girls than that" is interesting. The two times that that's been referenced before (unless I'm missing or forgetting something), her interests in that direction were described as secret (per her comments to Elan while aphasic, and the appearance in her head of "Haley's latent bisexuality.") The question I have is "Is this a result of her character development toward being more honest, even with herself", or a simple matter of "She was talking about her ex-girlfriends, so I was talking about mine." Either implies a pretty interesting character development given Haley's trust issues, secretiveness, and general paranoia from earlier in the comic.

You know the term "girlfriend" used by girls doesn't necessarily sex partners. Haley means "I have better taste in friends than that."

I smell the workings of Grubwiggler... must still be mad at Haley for raiding his home.

Spoiler: Bonus Comic in DStP

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They kill Grubwiggler in the comics after Haley rejoins the guild. He's likely also angry about that, if he's involved and not still dead that is.

I think the important person is Bozzok. For this guy to come all the way out there to go after Haley, he must be really steaming pissed!