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    Default Re: OOTS #974 - The Discussion Thread

    The real cliffhanger: Is going around a corner a bigger problem for Bozzok's ability to see the fight, or Crystal's ability to figure out Haley's location?
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    Default Re: OOTS #974 - The Discussion Thread

    I never get tired of tearing off people's heads and hitting them in the face with them.

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    Nice to see Bozzok again. And that disappointment right after that gloating...perfect.

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    A lot of questions answered.....
    Nice exposition without it feeling forced.

    I'm still curious about what species Grubwiggler is.
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    On the bright side, there won't be a horde of lower-level rogues with grudges against Haley and/or Belkar for killing them.

    Violating a contract is pretty harsh, though. I wonder what's become of Hank.
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    Nice to see all that speculation confirmed.
    Also, awesome punchline

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    Nice exposition! Oh, and Grubwiggler does seem a bit annoyed at Bozzok, doesn't he? I wonder why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lothos View Post

    I'm still curious about what species Grubwiggler is.
    Part-frog-creature, maybe? There's various species with a froggy appearance, some of which can hybridize with humans.

    Chaonds in MM2, for example, are descendants of slaad-human interbreeding.
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    So many answers, the forum is going to have nothing to talk about this week!

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    We had an assassin who "backstabbed the ninja and laughed in his face".

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    Thanks Giant!

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    Bwahaha so it WAS a crystal Golem.

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    I will point out that I was the first to refer to this as a Crystal Golem. Bozzok agrees with me.

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    Nice boots, Bozzok.

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    Wait, didn't Haley spent all the money she was gathering for the Guild on Azure City resistance? What money Bozzok is talking about?

    Yes, there is deal Celia brokered here but Haley was pretty much penniless then and decided to call it off immediately by means of violent backstabbing. 5x Flesh golem cost would be over 100.000 GP, how did she have so much on hand?

    Hm, interesting how Bozzok found Haley in random city pretty much immediately when she was travelling on an airship during colossal storm. That was some Epic grade tracking rolls.

    Also, I was sure Grubwigler was killed to write him off the comic, his death seems kind of pointless now. Especially seeing it give him good reason to not cooperate with Guild, unless he somehow sees Haley stealing as more revenge-worthy than Crystal killing him.

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    Violating a contract is pretty harsh, though.
    You mean the one Haley tore and thrown into trash bin by killing Crystal?
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    The exposition is truly riveting, but I think the Giant is making any excuse he can think of just so he can show off another gnome wearing a fancy hat, right?
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    Ooh, lots of exposition! I likey. We now know for definite who the angry eyes belonged to, who made the golem, what happened to Grubwiggler, and how and why Crystal still remembers Haley. All without feeling too forced.

    It's really amusing me that Bozzok said it's a Crystal Golem despite it not being made of crystal. I mean, it's made of Crystal, not crystal. Unless there's crystals involved somewhere, but I don't see any crystals. Just Crystal.
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    Finally, we get to see Bozzok again! I was waiting for him to show up. Rather late in the game, but whatever. So, what's their plan? Take on the whole OOTS at once?

    Presumably, the Crystal Golem is just the first phase. Add in the rest of the thieve's guild, and their ambush is complete. Got to take out Roy and V, though. Elan is already down, Belkar can be handled, and Drakulon hardly counts.
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    I'm not sure that Bozzok's any smarter than Crystal is right now...

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    Im not normally prone to excessive sarcasm on these forums (just everywhere else in life) but...

    Wow. Nooobody saw that coming.

    Anyway, is it just me, or does Bozzok have no knees? I mean, I get that the boots are supposed to be knee-high, but there doesn't seem to be much leg left after that.
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    Suppositions were correct, Grubwiggler is back!
    (edit: Keltest broke my sarcasm-o-meter :()

    Nice touch from the Giant to have him named, I couldn't recall his exact name otherwise :D

    How was this paid by Haley's gold? Bozzok got none of that.

    I'm sad for some of these low level thieves that aren't coming back :(



    Also, Bozzok has a nice outfit :o

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    Wait, didn't Grubwiggler die in the deleted scene featured only in the extended print book?

    So, does that count officially as canon in the web comic now?
    I think that when Bozzok says "raising you from the grave", it means that he had Grubwiggler raised from the grave.
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    Wait, didn't Grubwiggler die in the deleted scene featured only in the extended print book?

    So, does that count officially as canon in the web comic now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quild View Post
    Suppositions were correct, Grubwiggler is back!
    (edit: Keltest broke my sarcasm-o-meter :()
    Sorry about that

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    Nice touch from the Giant to have him named, I couldn't recall his exact name otherwise :D

    How was this paid by Haley's gold? Bozzok got none of that.

    I'm sad for some of these low level thieves that aren't coming back :(



    Also, Bozzok has a nice outfit :o

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    I think that when Bozzok says "raising you from the grave", it means that he had Grubwiggler raised from the grave.
    I assume that he Grubwiggler is accepting credit. Alternatively, Bozzok paid up front and intends to reimburse guild coffers out of Haley's fortune.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neosmith View Post
    Wait, didn't Grubwiggler die in the deleted scene featured only in the extended print book?

    So, does that count officially as canon in the web comic now?
    Im pretty sure all the bonus panels, as well as SoD and Origins have always been web comic canon, its just that Rich tries not to make them plot relevant with providing the appropriate exposition at the time. Interestingly enough, the last time the Thieves' Guild showed up they were pretty blatant about what they were doing too.
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    One of the weaker comics imho. Well, despite some funny moments ("I'm going to tear off your head and hit you in the FACE with it!"). But it seemed like most of this one was about justifying the plot.

    Well, now that we've got that covered, let's move back to better material.
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    I actually enjoy the somewhat dim antics of Crystal. They make for especially memorable villains in both games and stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lathund View Post
    One of the weaker comics imho. Well, despite some funny moments ("I'm going to tear off your head and hit you in the FACE with it!"). But it seemed like most of this one was about justifying the plot.

    Well, now that we've got that covered, let's move back to better material.
    The word youre looking for is "Exposition" and yeah. But hey, it had to happen eventually.
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    Default Re: OOTS #974 - The Discussion Thread

    So Grubbwiggler pulls an Ellen Tigh!

    I though Crystal was a golem from the moment I saw her, but I wasn't sure who "golemized" her. Should have gone with the obvious.
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    Just pulled out my copy of Don't Split the Party and noticed some interesting differences btw the original panel depicting Grubwiggler's death and the flashback here (aside from the obvious art style change)

    -Grubwiggler's doesn't have Xs instead of eyes
    -The SCCHTRLK!! is far more stylized and angular in the new version
    -Crystal's "Death Attack" originally had 3 exclamation points
    -Grubwiggler seems to be lifted higher and further back in the new version
    -Haley is tilted left somewhat in the flashback, whereas she is standing fully upright in the original

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    Well, THAT was definitive. Hadn't expected Grubby to actually travel with Bozzok, either.

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