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    Assuming you live long enough of course.
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    Does a magic gauntlet enchanted as a weapon take up your hand slot? If so, could you enchant the same gauntlet as a weapon and as a hand slot item separately? If not, could you just have a weapon gauntlet on one hand and a wondrous gauntlet on the other?
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    ... that's a magic item/crafting related question...

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    You can try having a gauntlet, and magically enchanted hand wrappings underneath it (or on top of it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamSmasher View Post
    Does a magic gauntlet enchanted as a weapon take up your hand slot? If so, could you enchant the same gauntlet as a weapon and as a hand slot item separately? If not, could you just have a weapon gauntlet on one hand and a wondrous gauntlet on the other?
    Realistically speaking... D&D style magic doesn't exist, so... let's ignore reality.

    Mechanically, there are a few points I'd like to address in reaching a conclusion.
    1. A gauntlet, used as a weapon, isn't noted as specifically counting as taking up your Hands item slot.
    2. Using a gauntlet as a weapon is specifically counted as "unarmed" both on the table and text. "A strike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmed attack." Conversely, "An attack with a spiked gauntlet is considered an armed attack."
    3. "Medium and heavy armors (except breastplate) come with gauntlets," and you are able to wear magical gloves with medium/heavy armor without needing to remove the gauntlets.
    4. You cannot use a held weapon/shield and an unarmed attack from same hand in the same round.
    5. You cannot use/hold two weapons in the same hand.


    So, all in all, it's clear that they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, but it is a somewhat fuzzy area.
    A standard gauntlet is an unarmed attack.
    A "weaponized" (i.e. spiked) gauntlet is a weapon.

    I'm going to say that a gauntlet enchanted as a weapon is held rather worn on the hands slot; however, it has the innate ability to be ignored for the purposes of holding another item, though only one of the two can be used in any one round. So, you can technically double up items on your hands, just not on your Hands. (Capitalization is important!)


    Addendum: I decided to do a little more research into the after typing out the above and found an example that supports my conclusions. Magic Item Compendium p51 has an item called The Fist. It's a +1 adamantine spiked gauntlet that explicitly has "Body Slot: (held)" just like every other weapon in the book.
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    Cool example!

    So on a more practical side, then, if I wanted to wear a Gauntlets of Ogre Power to enhance my Spiked Gauntlet attacks then I guess whatever phlebotinum that causes wondrous items to resize to any wearer would allow me to put the latter on over the former?
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    Man, it totally makes sense to have Spiked Gauntlets of Ogre Power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamSmasher View Post
    Cool example!

    So on a more practical side, then, if I wanted to wear a Gauntlets of Ogre Power to enhance my Spiked Gauntlet attacks then I guess whatever phlebotinum that causes wondrous items to resize to any wearer would allow me to put the latter on over the former?
    Yeah, but I'm pretty sure those run on phlogiston.

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    Man, it totally makes sense to have Spiked Gauntlets of Ogre Power.
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    Wilstaff will order a pair of those. For...a friend. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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    He'll be the prettiest gal at the gala.
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    thing is, with his illusions, he likely could be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizban View Post
    Realistically speaking... D&D style magic doesn't exist, so... let's ignore reality.
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    Your Gauntlets of Ogre Power now officially look like this.
    Honestly, that just makes them even more badass.
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    Said it IC, but forgot to say it here: happy 5th anniversary, A:VB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizban View Post
    Yeah, but I'm pretty sure those run on phlogiston.

    Your Gauntlets of Ogre Power now officially look like this.
    I was perusing the MIC and I found (MIC 193) the Gauntlets of Terror, which seem to say that you can enchant a gauntlet (and, apparently, a spiked gauntlet) as a weapon in addition to as armor, just tracked separately. Seems like they play fast and loose with this kind of thing.
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    Regardless of what the actual RAW or RAI here is, this item is generally going to be an exception to the rule rather than a precedent. It's two different weapons being treated as a single non-weapon item. As such, it's hard to say it's a standard.
    Quote Originally Posted by MIC p194
    You can enhance a gauntlet beyond its base abilities by using the rules for crafting a magic weapon, but each gauntlet must be enhanced separately.
    Now, looking at the Gauntlets of Destruction you've referenced, it actually seems to be implying that they are not tracked separately. While I'd say it's true that the existing effects and individual effects of the alternate gauntlet don't increase the enhancement multiplier on cost when calculating enchanting one of the gauntlets, by treating them as a single item, it does all add together to get a total item cost. Additionally, anything special you add is likely to include the +50% modifier from adding new effects to an existing item.

    The item price clearly includes all of the cumulative prices into a single item. As such, you're ultimately at a disadvantage. By treating it as 2 weapons and a Hands slot item, you're squeezing 3 items into 1 and quite likely to hit that $200,000 max limit rather quickly once you start trying to improve them.
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    I just realized I never posted here why I haven't been posting much. In a rush for time, so I'll just post a quote here.

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    So, just an update... We're about to make the 2 hour, one way drive heading to my mother-in-law's for the third weekend in a row dealing with the issues at her place, which are mostly justified due to the flooding but also largely due to their poor decisions. In the meantime, we're leaving the floor of our own house looking like this. Yes, that is a hole in our slab and a broken sewer line, which we're just walking away and leaving as is after getting an indefinite rescheduling from the plumber, because the mother-in-law can't stop pitching a fit about how bad things are for her (at least she has working toilets) and this weekend also just happens to be Mother's Day.
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    Wow, that blows. Good luck!
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    How does your wife feel about it? Does she agree that her mom is overreacting, but you're going anyway? Or is she buying what Mom is selling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hustlertwo View Post
    How does your wife feel about it? Does she agree that her mom is overreacting, but you're going anyway? Or is she buying what Mom is selling?
    On our way out to come back home, she told her mom that unless the house burned down completely we were NOT going back until late August at the earliest. She's more upset about all of this than I am... which is mostly what got me so upset.
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    Yeah, that sounds about right for how it is as a husband. Nothing that can happen to us impacts us as much as the things that impact our wives.

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    ... hearing you two talk, I'm glad I'm single.
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    ... hearing you two talk, I'm glad I'm single.
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    Ditto. The reason it impacts you so much when your wife is hurting is because this is someone you care so much about. And having kids just makes it all the better.

    And we are on vacation with the in-laws now, though they are not paying for us or anything. Just a family tradition since Michele was 3 that every year they come down to Perry's Ocean-Edge at Daytona Beach for a week or so. Very nice place, my fifth time coming and her...30th. Overall, her parents are pretty good as in-laws go. Her dad is definitely bipolar and more emotional than I am used to seeing from a guy (personality wise her dad is more like my mother, and vice versa), but they're good folk.

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    For all you single people who are worried you're missing out...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizban View Post
    I could do without the in-laws, but I wouldn't go back to being single for anything.
    Well, I'm single, and quite happy about it for now, but that's one of the most beautiful things I've ever read!

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    http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/02/pick-life-partner.html
    And that... is really interesting!
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    And that... is really interesting!
    You should read the one with the rainbow puking unicorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercracker View Post
    For all you single people who are worried you're missing out...


    http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/02/pick-life-partner.html
    Speaking from personal experience, I can definitely agree with the premise of that, with the caveat that I've been in bad relationships but never in a bad marriage. I'm also of the opinion that it's possible to make a bad relationship into a good one if both people are willing to work together on it towards the same goal and don't see 1) Go through a soul-crushing break-up. 2) Emotionally recover. 3) Find a great relationship. (and other similar statements throughout) as the only path to happiness from a bad spot.
    I also disagree with the statement that religion is insignificant when choosing a life partner. Spiritual beliefs tend to be rather foundational to a person's worldview, and having different foundations makes building a successful, long term relationship that much harder.

    The big header points after that all seem pretty accurate though. I've dealt with my fair share of "Shallow Sharons"...:

    Edit: Just read part 2. That's all definitely good advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizban View Post
    I also disagree with the statement that religion is insignificant when choosing a life partner. Spiritual beliefs tend to be rather foundational to a person's worldview, and having different foundations makes building a successful, long term relationship that much harder.
    Your definitely right! I believe that the intended intention of the writer was to use the term 'religion' as synonymous of some kind of "generic social/cultural standards" more then "personal spiritual belief", but ended up a bit unclear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CozJa View Post
    Your definitely right! I believe that the intended intention of the writer was to use the term 'religion' as synonymous of some kind of "generic social/cultural standards" more then "personal spiritual belief", but ended up a bit unclear.
    That's definitely possible, but I tend to think that most people who make statements like that are ones who don't hold particularly strong religious views one way or another and either don't realize, don't understand, or occasionally actively deny the significance it has for other people. I'm not saying that's the case in this article, as the author doesn't state his beliefs. However, I've increasingly found that generally people who have a religion of some type are more tolerant of religious beliefs in others, even when they differ, than people who claim to have no spiritual beliefs. I mean, on the one hand, I'm told I'm wrong for putting my faith in one ultimately unprovable belief over another while on the other I'm actively disdained as intellectually inferior for needing a faith-based personal crutch. Now, again, I'm not saying that everyone in either camp falls into one of the two categories (there are plenty of horrible people everywhere), but it seems that society is becoming increasingly polarized into those two positions.

    My personal position on spiritual beliefs is that mine are right (otherwise I wouldn't believe them!) but that I'm always open and happy to discuss and debate whatever your beliefs are, so long as you're willing to have a fair discussion rather than preaching at me. I have a fascination with learning about people's personal beliefs and worldviews and using them as foils to reexamine my own positions, to either better ground myself in what I believe or address internal conflicts that I might not have noticed otherwise. I especially enjoy discussions that make me stumble and force me to question some of my core beliefs, because those inevitably lead to the most personal growth. I also secretly find it amusing when I can understand and can defend the other person's beliefs better than they can, especially when they differ from my own.

    Posting on this forum has been particularly difficult for me in this regard due to the utter and absolute ban on discussing real-life religion or politics, two of my favorite discussion topics. I can't even count the number of posts I've deleted without posting because of that restriction...
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