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2007-04-05, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Dwarven Babarians
We all know that dwaves are not affected by heavy armour movement penalties. However if a dwarf was wearing heavy armour would he still be allowed to use fast movement?
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2007-04-05, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-05, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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No. Barbarian's Fast Movement doesn't work while wearing heavy armor or carrying a heavy load. Has nothing to do with a dwarf's ability to ignore the usual encumbrance penalty to speed.
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2007-04-05, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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No. It explicitly says no, light, or medium armor only.
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2007-04-05, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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The barbarian ability states
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2007-04-05, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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But, with good enough medium armor, a dwarf that can move thirty is still pretty awesome. And who wouldn't want to play a barb with such an effective dump stat as CHA?
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2007-04-05, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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And it's not that a dwarf's speed isn't effected, it's that it remains a speed of 20 regardless of encumberance or armor.
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2007-04-05, 11:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Wizards of the Coast released a FAQ which specifically stated that dwarven barbarians couldn't move 30' in heavy armor.
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2007-04-05, 11:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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But what if the armor in question is Mithril armor? say, a Mithril suit of Full plate.
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2007-04-05, 11:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mithril Fullplate is medium armor, so you get the movement but that cost gp. So you might as well get +5 Halfweight Mountain Plate to move at 30ft with a +15 armor bonus in light (if you have a lenient DM, if not medium at least) armor.
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2007-04-08, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mithril Fullplate is usually considered Medium Armour, but there is some controversy. The Sage was a little guarded about his answer, so I would advise anyone to check with his DM before trying it.
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2007-04-08, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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well mountain plate states it stays heavy if mithril, but why would there be a prob with full plate.
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2007-04-08, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's just that it's not explicitly stated in the Core Books and the Sage seems a bit cagey about it:
Is a character proficient with light armor, such as aon page 120 of the EBERRON Campaign Setting).
rogue, considered to be proficient with mithral breastplate?
What about a character proficient with medium armor,
such as a barbarian—is he considered proficient with
mithral full plate armor?
The description of mithral on page 284 of the Dungeon
Master’s Guide is less precise than it could be in defining how
it interacts with armor proficiency rules. The simplest answer—
and the one that the Sage expects most players and DMs use—
is that mithral armor is treated as one category lighter for all
purposes, including proficiency. This isn’t exactly what the
Dungeon Master’s Guide says, but it’s a reasonable
interpretation of the intent of the rule (and it’s supported by a
number of precedents, including the descriptions of various
specific mithral armors described on page 220 of the Dungeon
Master’s Guide and a variety of NPC stat blocks).
Thus, a ranger or rogue could wear a mithral breastplate
without suffering a nonproficiency penalty (since it’s treated as
light armor), and each could use any ability dependent on
wearing light or no armor (such as evasion or the ranger’s
combat style). A barbarian could wear mithral full plate armor
without suffering a nonproficiency penalty (since it’s treated as
medium armor), and he could use any ability dependent on
wearing medium or lighter armor (such as fast movement).
The same would be true of any other special material that
uses the same or similar language as mithral (such as darkleaf,Last edited by Matthew; 2007-04-08 at 06:20 PM.
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2007-04-08, 11:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Dwarven monk can carry a heavy load and keep speed.
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2007-04-09, 05:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Fast Movement of both monk and barbarian specifically mention they don't work with certain armours, any at all for monk and heavy for barbarian.
so no dice by RAW.
As for mithril armours its a bit inspecific so i rule anything you can do in medium armour you can do in mithril fullplate, however you still need heavy armour profeciency, to avoid nonproficiency penalties.
So i would let your dwarven barbarian wear mithril fullplate and move at 30'
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