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Thread: Help building a Pacifist Paladin
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2015-02-20, 10:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Help building a Pacifist Paladin
Hello everyone! I require some assistance making a pacifist paladin. The core idea behind it is a paladin that uses a wooden sword and refuses to kill people. Can this build be viable as a PC? What about a NPC?
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2015-02-20, 11:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help building a Pacifist Paladin
Better class blah blah blah
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I don't see fluff wise why it wouldn't work. He wouldn't be able anything a normal paladin couldn't except fight fire monsters and iron wood or petrified wood would over come that
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2015-02-20, 11:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help building a Pacifist Paladin
Tripping, grappling, and disarming are all compatible with pacifism and are certainly possible for a Paladin. Your special mount is likely to be a good grappler as well, since they'll probably be large-sized. If you were to go with an actual Vow of Nonviolence, I would recommend an Ordained Champion + Prestige Paladin chassis instead, since they can take advantage of it better.
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2015-02-20, 11:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help building a Pacifist Paladin
Paladin has no class features that actually support this idea. You're better off using a Merciful Weapon than an improvised weapon attempting to deal non-lethal damage (what is that -8 to-hit?).
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2015-02-20, 11:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-20, 11:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-21, 06:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-21, 06:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help building a Pacifist Paladin
Just build it as a normal* paladin that focuses ever so slightly more on optimizing attack so that they can take the -4 non lethal penalty when appropriate.
Also dive into the social skills for when they wake up.
*Wait, don't normal paladins also avoid lethal means when possible?Last edited by OldTrees1; 2015-02-21 at 06:48 AM.
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2015-02-21, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-21, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help building a Pacifist Paladin
Only the Sap, unarmed attacks, and weapons blessed with the Merciful enchantment can deal non lethal without the -4 atk penalty.
However that -4 penalty was designed to be small enough that PCs should feel free to deal non lethal damage with their spiked morningstars and razor sharp scimitars.
Also you want a weapon that can deal lethal for the occasional foe that can only be pacified with lethal damage(ex Dracula).
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2015-02-21, 07:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help building a Pacifist Paladin
Have you looked at the class abilities for the PrC Apostle of Peace.
Also, consider maxing out your CHA stat and Diplomacy skill.
As for your weapon any weapon that deals regular damage can deal subdual damage as well, albeit at a -4 penalty. This modifier appears to apply to a weapon which deals only subdual damage also.
Here's the SRD reference:
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Nonlethal_DamageLast edited by aspekt; 2015-02-21 at 08:00 AM.
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2015-02-21, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help building a Pacifist Paladin
Dip into fist of the forest and some cha boosting classes.
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2015-02-21, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help building a Pacifist Paladin
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2015-02-21, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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