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Thread: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
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2015-05-27, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
By comparing probabilities, I worked out a way to emulate d20 rolls with 7 card poker hands, because dice are oh so boring, and don't need to be shuffled.
Royal Flush Natural 20, and +30 to the roll, or just autosuccess (comes up one in every 30,000~ rolls) Straight Flush Natural 20, and +20 to the roll (one in every 3,500~ rolls) Four of a Kind Natural 20, and +10 to the roll (one in every 600~ rolls) Full House Natural 20, and +5 to the roll (one in every 38~ rolls) Flush Natural 20 (one in every 33~ rolls) Straight 19 (about 1 in 20 rolls) Three of a Kind 18 (about 1 in 20 rolls) Two Pair 14 (About 1 in 4 rolls) Pair 9 (About half the rolls) No pair, have a face card 4 (one in 9~ rolls) No pair, no face card Natural 1 (one in 15~ rolls)
Average is approximately the same, and chances of hitting 18, 19, and 20 is near identical (important for weapons with crit ranges). Natural 1s come up slightly more often, but very good hands exist.
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2015-05-27, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
While this would never see play at my table (D&D, combat especially, is already slow enough as it is), I love it!
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2015-05-27, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
Could be awesome for Social Situations or an RP-heavy game.
Alternatively, if you've got an electronic deck that can deal cards at the push of a button and tally results... well. That'd be as fast as a dice roller.
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2015-05-27, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
@danzibr
Oh yay, that's probably the first positive feedback I've got in the last 3 threads I've made, and I did not expect it here.
Alternatively, if you've got an electronic deck that can deal cards at the push of a button and tally results... well. That'd be as fast as a dice roller.
I'm more interested in this as a baseline for a system of card manipulation that does more than just numbers, with certain hands powering different abilities and spending time augmenting your hand in battle.
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2015-05-27, 09:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
Oh, sure. I'm just thinking of swapping in Tarot for theme. Or even the Pathfinder Harrow deck.
Though I also like the idea of 5 card hands with 2 or more cards dropped and tallied with 21 being a bust. It would basically place advantage as drawing a free card before the play and disadvantage as havong the gm force a blind discard Before the play.
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2015-05-28, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
The original version of Deadlands did this for some things and it was neat and flavorful. A bit time consuming compared to simply rolling dice, though.
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2015-05-28, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
Sorry, but there's just something about the feel, heft, and tumble of a well-made duodecahedron that cards just can't replace.
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2015-05-28, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
I could see 5 card stud for complex tasks, chases, or important social situations. Start with 3 cards (2 up, 1 down), then 2 cards each added over time. Or 7 card, but keep it to 3 rounds - start with 2 down, 1 up, add 2 up, then 1 down and 1 up.
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2015-05-28, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
So, I really like the idea of using a poker hand as a resolution mechanic. I'm not fond of directly correlating it to a d20 roll, because you're taking an information-rich result (the poker hand) and "dumbing it down" into an information-shallow result (the die roll).
Compare it like this: with a poker hand, you have...
- Five unique cards
- Each card has one of four suits, grouped into one of two colors
- Each card can have one of thirteen values (or fourteen if you include the Joker)
- Four of those ranks are special (the JQKA are non-numerical), and one of the ranks is utterly unique (the Aces)
- Cards in a poker hand have relationships to one another, like matching suits/ranks or being in sequence
...and with a d20, you have...a single number. That's it.
Converting one to the other means a lot of busywork and having to remember a lot of details, because each time you want to get the information, you have to get a poker hand and compress all those bits of information down into a single number. To me, that seems cumbersome and a bit wasteful.
Though, the probability spread is really interesting! I'd personally take this and build a system around it.
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2015-05-28, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
@Carpe, I completely agree, this was just a first step. I don't see myself taking any further steps in the near future though.
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2015-05-29, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
This is really a cool idea for a variant rule for many an-intrigue campaign, as I know many players who don't get as much of a kick as I do by simply rolling a die.
I think one of the bigger interesting point about this is that it uses a different skillset and triggers different sensations when having the cards in their hands, making decisions real time, as opposed to seeing your actions as rolling the die rolls and leaving it to fate.
I second a lot of what steampunkette said as well, and add that working with cards instead of dice should emphasize decision making and aiming to reach the best outcome you can with the cards given. Try thinking of decisions you might be able to do in a card game like poker or Blackjack, which could make an outcome more desirable.
For example, Take a poker game like, say, 5-card stud:
You are the player, and your turn is up next. You declare your action. Your cards are dealt as the GM smiles slyly at you. You sweat a bit; you choose what you keep— what you think are your best cards, and discard the rest, and hope that your new cards plus your kept cards will result in a successful hand... Yes! Three of a kind! A triumphant relief that your attack connected, your action successful, or you avoid the horrible event with a lot of luck!
Again, this is very cool - I hope I could help!Last edited by Prince Zahn; 2015-05-29 at 04:57 PM.
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2015-05-31, 09:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
I think this is how my group should handle Profession (Gambler) checks.
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2015-05-31, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Poker hands instead of d20 rolls
I like how well you thought this through. It is a bit slow for actual use but if your group likes it you could use it for special rolls.
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