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    Default Would this make a Paladin fall?

    The neighborhood mage casts Grease under him.

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    Depends on what kind of neighbourhood it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyl Scratch View Post
    The neighborhood mage casts Grease under him.
    Only if the Paladin fails a Reflex save, and then a DC 10 Balance check while trying to walk out of the Grease.

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    This is more of a build question than a class question. If you lose most of your class features when a first level spell is cast on you your build is probably bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Aegis View Post
    This is more of a build question than a class question. If you lose most of your class features when a first level spell is cast on you your build is probably bad.
    To be fair, being prone removes most of any non-spellcaster's class features, for all intents and purposes. Especially at low level.

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    get access to the sloth domain to mitigate the penalties.
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    Not if they have a method of magical flight that is like that of superman (read: the fly spell).
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    In 4th edition Paladins can't fall. I'm not clear if a Paladin jumping off a cliff would simply be immune to falling damage or if they would suddenly gain the ability to wind walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheming Wizard View Post
    In 4th edition Paladins can't fall. I'm not clear if a Paladin jumping off a cliff would simply be immune to falling damage or if they would suddenly gain the ability to wind walk.
    just make a jump check at the ground and willingly fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheming Wizard View Post
    In 4th edition Paladins can't fall. I'm not clear if a Paladin jumping off a cliff would simply be immune to falling damage or if they would suddenly gain the ability to wind walk.
    I hypothesize it to be something like this:
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    Short answer: Maybe. Gravity in D&D isn't what you or I think of as "gravity." While they bear a passing similarity, gravity in D&D is open to interpretation and has various shades of gray, as can be seen with planar traits like Subjective Gravity or the Reverse Gravity spell, while in real life gravity is literally a cosmic force and fundamental building block of the universe.

    Remember folks, gravity is different from [Gravity].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrawrawr View Post
    Short answer: Maybe. Gravity in D&D isn't what you or I think of as "gravity." While they bear a passing similarity, gravity in D&D is open to interpretation and has various shades of gray, as can be seen with planar traits like Subjective Gravity or the Reverse Gravity spell, while in real life gravity is literally a cosmic force and fundamental building block of the universe.

    Remember folks, gravity is different from [Gravity].
    To say nothing of relative gravity, which changes from person to person, such as with false gravity. What's up for me may be down for you, since there's no such thing as objective gravity.
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    Speaking of gravity:

    Given a paladin at 2000 feet up has the fly spell dispelled off of him, what rate does he fall in feet per round?

    I've always wondered what the drop speed is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gooddragon1 View Post
    Speaking of gravity:

    Given a paladin at 2000 feet up has the fly spell dispelled off of him, what rate does he fall in feet per round?

    I've always wondered what the drop speed is.
    60 ft/rd for 1d6 rounds, then 2000 ft - the amount already fallen instantly.
    "Should the spell duration expire while the subject is still aloft, the magic fails slowly. The subject floats downward 60 feet per round for 1d6 rounds. If it reaches the ground in that amount of time, it lands safely. If not, it falls the rest of the distance, taking 1d6 points of damage per 10 feet of fall. Since dispelling a spell effectively ends it, the subject also descends in this way if the fly spell is dispelled, but not if it is negated by an antimagic field. "

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    Note however that Wind Walk doesn't provide the same protection as Fly for being dispelled. A Paladin that has Wind Walk and is dispelled would immediately begin to fall. This occurs at approximately 150 ft. in the first round and 300 ft. in the second round as detailed in Dungeon Masters Guide, page 20.
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    Non of these make a Paladin fall, these are all effects of the Atonement Spell, as the Paladin is humbled.

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    let's see guy in heavy armor with a low base reflex and if he didn't use dex as a dump stat it probablly wasn't his first priority so I would say the paladin is on his back

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    But he has Divine Grace to back him up. Moving would be an issue though.

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    If you polymorph him into an ooze, he can't fall. And on the plus side, he can devour screaming children. Sidenote: FLYING OOZES!
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    A Paladin usually falls at 0HP. Every Paladin who reaches -10HP or below, becomes an Ex Paladin. There are ancient battlefields filled with fallen Paladins.

    I don't think the cosmic forces of Good appreciate the limitations of being mortal.

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    Every time a Paladin does not meet her goals, she falls short.
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    Wouldn't a half-elf/half-orc be a Fork?
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    And besides, it's a ludicrous way of breaking the game by twisting rules beyond all recognition. Kobolds have to be involved in there somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threadnaught View Post
    A Paladin usually falls at 0HP. Every Paladin who reaches -10HP or below, becomes an Ex Paladin. There are ancient battlefields filled with fallen Paladins.

    I don't think the cosmic forces of Good appreciate the limitations of being mortal.
    this is a common misconception. gaining the dying or dead condition does not impose the prone condition. we all die on our feet in D&D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    this is a common misconception. gaining the dying or dead condition does not impose the prone condition. we all die on our feet in D&D
    This means that if you shoot a bird, it will hover forever. Whenever someone says they shot a duck out of the sky, they are lying, because this proves duck hunting a farce!
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    Wouldn't a half-elf/half-orc be a Fork?
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    And besides, it's a ludicrous way of breaking the game by twisting rules beyond all recognition. Kobolds have to be involved in there somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elandris Kajar View Post
    This means that if you shoot a bird, it will hover forever. Whenever someone says they shot a duck out of the sky, they are lying, because this proves duck hunting a farce!
    that's correct. the only way to get a flying enemy out of the sky is to trip him. this instantly teleports him to the ground beneath his square regardless of distance and also has the side effect of nullifying all falling damage.
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    If a Paladin falls because of religious beliefs, because of reflex checks and because of heavy armor and imposed penalty on Balance, doesn't that make Paladins unbalanced? So in retrospect rogues ARE the most balanced class in the game!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sporeegg View Post
    If a Paladin falls because of religious beliefs, because of reflex checks and because of heavy armor and imposed penalty on Balance, doesn't that make Paladins unbalanced? So in retrospect rogues ARE the most balanced class in the game!
    Actually, any class that can cast a spell to fly cannot fall unless their flight ends. Wizards, clerics, and druids are actually the most balanced classes as a result, though only at higher levels when they can cast those spells and have them last long enough.
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    but monks have balance as a class skill and good reflex saves ,so doesn't that make them the most balanced class in the game.

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    This means dwarves are the most balanced race, thanks to racial stability bonuses.
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    We can't say what happens to the Paladin in the OP, but I know that every Paladin's least favorite season is Autumn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Namfuak View Post
    We can't say what happens to the Paladin in the OP, but I know that every Paladin's least favorite season is Autumn.
    Because of Falling Leaves?

    What about Falling Snow in Winter?

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