[3.5/PF] GitP Regulars as Alternate Class Features/Racial Class Features/Alternate Cl

[Zaydos]

well, they are a civilian company that steals random technology for often destructive purposes... so it might be a shell company or an attempted splinter group for NeoPhoenix Chaos Corp. It is hard to keep track of these things. I don't care as long as they preform chaos properly, otherwise i'm going to have to inject some of my own brand of chaos in there.

A civilian company which commits treason and works for and reports directly to the Pentagon. And somehow I figured you were to blame.

And you wonder why you are more bad than LoyalPaladin.

[LoyalPaladin]

Not everyone has the fortitude to sit through an extended lecture including the finer points on how to appropriately tip your waitress/waiter.

I like to think I am doing the food industry a good service.

Actually how is it, that you manage to be the second most bad person here?

Third. He may be gone, but I have not forgotten Red Fel.

Ugh... I kind of want it to be winter already, because Blade & Soul is coming out then.

Aghhhhhh *foams at the mouth*

Silence you!! I will not go back to freezing my rear end off !!

I like winter...

And you wonder why you are more bad than LoyalPaladin.

I don't detect as evil!

[NeoPhoenix0]

I don't detect as evil!

I don't detect as evil... Though it does get hot wearing this heavy cloak everywhere.

[IZ42]

Aghhhhhh *foams at the mouth*

What do you mean by that?

[Zaydos]

Third. He may be gone, but I have not forgotten Red Fel.

Nah, you're more of a bad guy. He's too affably evil, like that one uncle who is secretly running small countries as military dictatorships but isn't the villain of the piece because he's nice to the protagonists.

I don't detect as evil!

I said bad not evil. You're the bad guy. I'm the Evil one. Also teach me your ways oh great villain. I do hope you realize I'm just messin' around with you.

[NeoPhoenix0]

RED FEL!!! We need you to pontificate on the qualities of evil and somehow prove that you are worse than me.

[Zaydos]

RED FEL!!! We need you to pontificate on the qualities of evil and somehow prove that you are worse than me.

Ah, but he's Lawful Evil. And even though that can result in horrors, it is less liable to destroy everything than unchecked Chaos. Lawful Evil stands to lose things, Chaos doesn't care and is therefore much more dangerous.

Also what'd ya think 'bout the scout ACF?

[Anlashok]

Ah, but he's Lawful Evil. And even though that can result in horrors, it is less liable to destroy everything than unchecked Chaos. Lawful Evil stands to lose things, Chaos doesn't care and is therefore much more dangerous.

I dunno. I'd say that makes Chaos less dangerous. It's more reckless and less organized.

[Zaydos]

I dunno. I'd say that makes Chaos less dangerous. It's more reckless and less organized.

I'd rather meet Luthor than the Joker, especially in a dark alley I'm also Lawful Evil, so not the most trustworthy sort.

[NeoPhoenix0]

Ah, but he's Lawful Evil. And even though that can result in horrors, it is less liable to destroy everything than unchecked Chaos. Lawful Evil stands to lose things, Chaos doesn't care and is therefore much more dangerous.

Also what'd ya think 'bout the scout ACF?

...How did i miss this. It is absolutely beautiful. I can imagine making a reverse swift hunter with this. Reverse as in ranger dip rather than scout dip. Maybe even up to level 14. There are some good options after that too, like some more ranger or scout levels, jaunter prestige class for some planer travel, or something for more precision damage. not to mention the feat options. This is sending my brain into a whirlwind of build ideas.

I dunno. I'd say that makes Chaos less dangerous. It's more reckless and less organized.

I'd rather meet Luthor than the Joker, especially in a dark alley I'm also Lawful Evil, so not the most trustworthy sort.

You both have good points. The biggest failing of Chaos is it doesn't work as well with other people. Chaotic evil especially is hard to team up with. So often CE is limited to the capabilities of a single person. There are exceptions though, like Millennium, an organized force of pure chaotic destruction. Also beware the patient forces of chaos, they are scary.

[Zaydos]

I give permission.

I'm in a creatively bankrupt creative mood, and for some reason I can't quite put my claw on you make me think of my favorite what-do-you-mean-he's-a-demon-not-undead? mage so...

Lich-Faced Warlock (Warlock, Archetype)

Levels: 4th, 12th.

Replaces: Deceive Item, and Imbue Item.

Grants: At 4th level you gain +4 on saves versus poison, sleep, fear, paralysis, stunning, disease, negative levels, and death effects. At 12th level your body undergoes further changes. Your type becomes Undead, but you retain your Constitution score and do not change hit dice to d12s (you retain immunity as if it were a nonability), and you gain Turn Resistance equal to your Charisma.

[Marlowe]

Spoiler: I blame my little sister as well.

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Sadly, second to last panel is a bit of a mess.

[Zaydos]

Marlowe, does it say something bad about me that I am tempted to make you as a Shugenja ACF... that grants Turn Undead and the ability to glamour your armor to appear as a sailor fuku? Also the comic pleases me, and reminds me that I haven't stated my hatred for Char today.

Also just to keep a current list because it's easier to update in smaller chunks (and Snowbluff can c/p to the OP). Permapermissions are at top without links.

Spoiler: Permissions and ACFs

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Permissions:
Snowbluff
Zaydos
Threadnaught
LoyalPaladin
Keledrath (apparently)
Socratov
Emperor Tippy
Snowbluff
Elricaltovilla
IZ42
Sgt. Cookie
Extra Anchovies
PsyBomb
WhamBamSam
Socratov
Keledrath
Lord_Gareth
Zaydos
Jormengand
Masterkerfuffle
eggynack
NeoPhoenix0
Milo v3
Somensjev
LoyalPaladin
Endarire
Saintheart
Marlowe
stack
illyahr
Seto
khadgar567
Elandris Kajar
Troacctid
Illven
Komatik
Blackhawk748
Sjlver
Bad Wolf

Anti-Paladin
Forbidden (Lord_Gareth)

Barbarian
Sublime Berserker (Endarire)

Bard
Swashbuckling Performer (Illayhr)
Proclaimer of the Faith (LoyalPaladin)
Jr. Paladin (Socratov)
Advocate of War (Snowbluff)
Illyahr's Honeyed Tongue (Illyahr)

Cleric
Playground Domain (WHY???)

Crusader
Silver Blade Crusader (Sjlver)

Dread Necromancer
Anchovy Knight (Extra Anchovies)

Druid
Ambassador of the Wild (eggynack)
Zaydian Wildborn (2 ACFs, one is a trap) (LoyalPaladin)

Fighter
Phoenix Knight (NeoPhoenix0)

Guru
Silver Sensei (PsyBomb)

Incarnation
Imbue (Loyal) Paladin (Incarnation)

Knight
Order of the Hawk (Blackhawk)

Mage Knight
Martial Magus (Keledrath)

Magus
Spellfist (IZ42)

Mecha-Ace
Cyber Newtype (Marlowe, not Haman Karn, Marlowe )

Ninja
Threads of Naught (Threadnaught)

Paladin
Planar Mecha (Marlowe, still not Haman Karn)
Holy Flirt
Bow of Justice (Loyal Paladin)
Banishing Smite (NeoPhoenix0)

Rogue
Blue Thief (Sgt. Cookie)
Shadow Stalker (Marlowe)

Scout
NeoScout (NeoPhoenix0)

Swashbuckler
Snowblathe (Snowbluff)

Tall Tale
Rudisploker's Tool Belt (Threadnaught)

Warblade
WhamBamBlade (WhamBamSam)

Warlock
Item of Eldritch Might (Ericaltovilla)
Eldritch Brewmaster (Socratov)
Warlocctid's Companion (Troacctid)
Lich-Faced Warlock (Masterkerfuffle)

Wizard
Oghma's Chosen (Threadnaught)

Misc.
Speaker of Malisons (Jormengand)

I Create Myself (Badwolf)

Born of Blades (Ericaltovilla)

[NeoPhoenix0]

We need something for the Duskblade. I know it is super awesome as is, but it is awesome. Actually, if i'm going to campaign for someone to make someone an acf from my favorite classes i should campaign for the Shadowcaster. Course, I could actually make something for someone, I guess.

[IZ42]

We need something for the Duskblade. I know it is super awesome as is, but it is awesome. Actually, if i'm going to campaign for someone to make someone an acf from my favorite classes i should campaign for the Shadowcaster. Course, I could actually make something for someone, I guess.

Magus is a better class. Just putting that out there.

[Xuldarinar]

I feel a little late to the party but I grant permission.

[khadgar567]

can any one make warlock to telepath acf allows warlock to qualify for trallherd prc
I need it for potential BBEG character

[LoyalPaladin]

I'm at work and Shelob just crawled out from under my desk. In other news, I killed Shelob.

can any one make warlock to telepath acf allows warlock to qualify for trallherd prc
I need it for potential BBEG character

This sounds like Snowbluff or PsyBomb territory.

[NeoPhoenix0]

Magus is a better class. Just putting that out there.

No, it isn't. Just to let you know.

[Snowbluff]

Yeah, it's a bit of a hard sell, but DB definitely feels a lot better to me.

can any one make warlock to telepath acf allows warlock to qualify for trallherd prc
I need it for potential BBEG character

Psylock (Khadgar)

Warlock Alternate Class Features:

Psionic Invocations: A warlock's arcane caster level is replaced with a manifester level. All invocations that refer to Caster Level improved with Manifester Level instead for the Psylock.

Instead of improving with arcane prestige classes, the Psylock's Manifester level and Invocation level may be improved with Prestige Classes that offer a psionic manifester progression, such as "+1 level of existing manifesting class."

The warlock loses the Spellcraft and Knowledge Arcane skills and gains the Psicraft and Knowledge Psionics skills.

This alters a warlock's invocations and skill list.

Hidden Talent: At second level, the Psylock gains the hidden talent feat.

This replaces Detect Magic and Deceive Item.

Imbue Psionic Item: Imbue Item (Su): The Psylock's Imbue Item ability may only be used, and only used, to craft items that require psionic power. The Psylock may substitute a psionic power requirement for an item with a Use Magic device Check (15+the power level).

This alters Imbue Item.

[LoyalPaladin]

Psylock (Khadgar)

Nailed it! Secret filler text technique!

[khadgar567]

Yeah, it's a bit of a hard sell, but DB definitely feels a lot better to me.


Psylock (Khadgar)

Warlock Alternate Class Features:

Psionic Invocations: A warlock's arcane caster level is replaced with a manifester level. All invocations that refer to Caster Level improved with Manifester Level instead for the Psylock.

Instead of improving with arcane prestige classes, the Psylock's Manifester level and Invocation level may be improved with Prestige Classes that offer a psionic manifester progression, such as "+1 level of existing manifesting class."

The warlock loses the Spellcraft and Knowledge Arcane skills and gains the Psicraft and Knowledge Psionics skills.

This alters a warlock's invocations and skill list.

Hidden Talent: At second level, the Psylock gains the hidden talent feat.

This replaces Detect Magic and Deceive Item.

Imbue Psionic Item: Imbue Item (Su): The Psylock's Imbue Item ability may only be used, and only used, to craft items that require psionic power. The Psylock may substitute a psionic power requirement for an item with a Use Magic device Check (15+the power level).

This alters Imbue Item.

thanks Snowbluff a small question with this acf can I qualify hellfire warlock ( or hellfire psylock in this case)

[Snowbluff]

thanks Snowbluff a small question with this acf can I qualify hellfire warlock ( or hellfire psylock in this case)

Yes. The Warlock still is an invoking class (so it still progresses), you still get hellfire and hellrime blasts, and so the only thing you have to watch out for is that Spellcraft is cross classed now, but it's not an insurmountable penalty by level 9.

[khadgar567]

Yes. The Warlock still is an invoking class (so it still progresses), you still get hellfire and hellrime blasts, and so the only thing you have to watch out for is that Spellcraft is cross classed now, but it's not an insurmountable penalty by level 9.

well thats not a problem I just update my home brew prc so it gives manifester progression so until 18 level I am okay

[IZ42]

No, it isn't. Just to let you know.

What do you mean? Oh sure, it's got a higher BAB and more spell slots, but it loses a spell level and some versatility. Granted, it has some useful abilities, namely Spell Power and Quick Cast, but Magus gets stuff potentially that useful every 3 levels. The magus also gets some arguably more useful abilities as regular class features, namely spell recall, spell combat, knowledge pool, and Greater Spell Access (2 spells of each level he can cast from the wizard spell list are now on his spell list).

And Loyal, what was with the frothing at the mouth at the mention of Blade & Soul?

[NeoPhoenix0]

What do you mean? Oh sure, it's got a higher BAB and more spell slots, but it loses a spell level and some versatility. Granted, it has some useful abilities, namely Spell Power and Quick Cast, but Magus gets stuff potentially that useful every 3 levels. The magus also gets some arguably more useful abilities as regular class features, namely spell recall, spell combat, knowledge pool, and Greater Spell Access (2 spells of each level he can cast from the wizard spell list are now on his spell list).

And Loyal, what was with the frothing at the mouth at the mention of Blade & Soul?

Quite simply, the duskblade is better a being a duskblade. What i mean by that is, sure the magus has some more versatility, but the duskblade is so much better at being that little nova of damage. Magus is automatically worse at it because it is prepared. That means you are only as blasty as the spells you prepared are against whatever you end up facing. Also, the duskblade should never rely on save DCs, so spell level is completely pointless, once you realize that look at the spell it does get. Some of those spells are not supposed to be that low. Add in 3.5 feats and the spell selection they get and you have a beast optimized for exactly one thing, hitting things really hard with an exploding stick which is oh so satisfying even if it isn't particularly versatile. also if you are doing it right you will be putting a decent amount in int so you have some pretty good skills.

Then you get to some interesting stuff. The duskblade can use the versatile spellcaster to learn spells that are a level higher than his slots because he can learn a spell each level "that he can cast". This makes it so you can scavenge his spell list for those abjuration spells, get to level 13 with full attack channel, and enter into a 7 level prestige class called Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil. That is just hilarious, one of my favorite class combinations, and makes the duskblade very good at two things. Basically, i like 3.5's environment soooo much better than pathfinder i see little reason to restrict myself to the limited options of pathfinder and playing a magus. Cause pathfinder rules are kinda geared toward playing a base class up to 20. even if it does have a lot of interesting archetypes, pathfinder does not sit well with me and 3.p opens up tons of power abuse of 3.5 material since 3.5 prestige classes and many feats are more powerful than pathfinder.

[Extra Anchovies]

If you two want to argue Duskblade v. Magus, you should probably open a different thread.

[Socratov]

Holy ****snacks! This thread moved faster then I thought.

we are giantitp, we reference everything to optimize the plot in the most convoluted way we can think of.

edit: we are far worse than any movie writer or tv writer i can think of.
edit2: I take that back I can think of one thing that is at least as convoluted. Faction Paradox from the Doctor Who universe.

I think we can take solace in the fact that we will never outmatch M. Night Shamalyan (or whatever his name is) in thinking up stupid plot-twists... I mean, the guy is a freaking walking idiot ball when it comes to plot. (also, there was never a live action legend of airbender movie).

Zyados, this one is for you!


Knight of the Dragon

Varies ACF; replaces the mount class feature or animal companion
Requisite: must be a chosen of Bahamut, but not have undergone the rite of rebirth
Restrictions: May not be a druid
Alignment: Lawful Good or Chaotic Good

Draconic Compatriot:at the level where the character would normally gain the mount or animal companion the character gains metallic dragon instead. the dragon will have the exact same amount of hitdice as the character and its alignment matches that of the character.

[NeoPhoenix0]

If you two want to argue Duskblade v. Magus, you should probably open a different thread.

I just needed to say enough to put down the stupid blanket statement that magus is better.

[khadgar567]

Quite simply, the duskblade is better a being a duskblade. What i mean by that is, sure the magus has some more versatility, but the duskblade is so much better at being that little nova of damage. Magus is automatically worse at it because it is prepared. That means you are only as blasty as the spells you prepared are against whatever you end up facing. Also, the duskblade should never rely on save DCs, so spell level is completely pointless, once you realize that look at the spell it does get. Some of those spells are not supposed to be that low. Add in 3.5 feats and the spell selection they get and you have a beast optimized for exactly one thing, hitting things really hard with an exploding stick which is oh so satisfying even if it isn't particularly versatile. also if you are doing it right you will be putting a decent amount in int so you have some pretty good skills.

Then you get to some interesting stuff. The duskblade can use the versatile spellcaster to learn spells that are a level higher than his slots because he can learn a spell each level "that he can cast". This makes it so you can scavenge his spell list for those abjuration spells, get to level 13 with full attack channel, and enter into a 7 level prestige class called Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil. That is just hilarious, one of my favorite class combinations, and makes the duskblade very good at two things. Basically, i like 3.5's environment soooo much better than pathfinder i see little reason to restrict myself to the limited options of pathfinder and playing a magus. Cause pathfinder rules are kinda geared toward playing a base class up to 20. even if it does have a lot of interesting archetypes, pathfinder does not sit well with me and 3.p opens up tons of power abuse of 3.5 material since 3.5 prestige classes and many feats are more powerful than pathfinder.

if you one a f some tartaresque I humbly advice this prc of mine[/QUOTE]