What would be the most obnoxious TN character ever?

[roko10]

So, I have seem threads about Lawful Stupid, Supid Good, Stupid Evil, and especially Chaotic Stupid, but I never saw a thread about Stupid (True) Neutral.

What would it be like?

[Lord Raziere]

The kind of guy who sees two orphanages, goes over to one, takes all the wealth and items they have for themselves, slaughters every kid there, tortures then kills the orphanage matron, then burns the orphanage down....

....then turns around to the second orphanage, gives all the wealth they took away to it, makes friends with everyone, and pitches in to get everyone to help the second orphanage so that its a better orphanage than ever.

For No Reason.

[roko10]

The kind of guy who sees two orphanages, goes over to one, takes all the wealth and items they have for themselves, slaughters every kid there, tortures then kills the orphanage matron, then burns the orphanage down....

....then turns around to the second orphanage, gives all the wealth they took away to it, makes friends with everyone, and pitches in to get everyone to help the second orphanage so that its a better orphanage than ever.

For No Reason.

That's Chaotic Neutral and you know it!

A better example would be if he runs and improves the second orphanage, and then completely annihilate the first orphanage.

[Mastikator]

Someone who sides with the enemy trying to kill you right when you gain the upper hand "because balance".

Someone who must keep a people saved : people killed ratio even, even if it means killing someone in cold blood or using nonlethal defense against a very dangerous enemy trying to kill you.

Someone who avoids adventure because "they're just trying to get by"

[Lord Raziere]

Nope.

Chaotic Stupid is picking up a sword to throw it at a dartboard then suddenly go dancing out a tavern window to kidnap a child, paint him green to him throw at the mayor, so that you can run three and half times around a wheelbarrow, then suddenly invent a rocket to jump onto to fly to a mountain top, then jump down a big chasm while cackling madly all along the way, just so he could eventually slide his way down to another village just so he can punch a guy for making the best tea in the world.

True Stupid has a dualistic order to it. Chaotic Stupid is just random.

[LeSwordfish]

I would suggest that True Stupid would be something like Futurama's Neutral Zone, but more infuriating.

"What does your character think?"
"They don't have an opinion either way."

"What does your character do?"
"They don't do anything in particular."

[roko10]

I thought the most obnoxious TN character ever would be that guy who argues about alignments and acts as if Good and Evil and law and chaosdoes not exist, because "the world is not black and white.

[Anonymouswizard]

The guy who will sell his party out to the city guard for stealing from the main, villain, then go and rob the King's treasury, snark at a druid, heal some peasants and then burn down their crops just to be on the safe side.

He'll then do some calculations and spend the rest of the night summoning the right number of the correct kind of extraplanar monkey to balance his alignment as True Neutral.

[Kriton]

Yeah, I agree with most of the people before me, a TN character that strives to embody their alignment in character would be pretty stupid. But isn't that the case with all alignments?

[roko10]

Nope.

Chaotic Stupid is picking up a sword to throw it at a dartboard then suddenly go dancing out a tavern window to kidnap a child, paint him green to him throw at the mayor, so that you can run three and half times around a wheelbarrow, then suddenly invent a rocket to jump onto to fly to a mountain top, then jump down a big chasm while cackling madly all along the way, just so he could eventually slide his way down to another village just so he can punch a guy for making the best tea in the world.

True Stupid has a dualistic order to it. Chaotic Stupid is just random.

This is now my new sig.

[GungHo]

The one that does nothing, will commit to nothing, and claims to have no preferences, while passive-aggressively having obvious preferences that they refuse to share.

It's like asking someone out on a date and saying, "Hey, so what food do you like?"
"Oh I like everything."
"Great, I know this Chinese place that..."
"I don't like Chinese."

[prufock]

The ruler of the universe from the Douglas Adams Hitchhiker series is arguably true neutral. He suffers from severe solipsism.

[daremetoidareyo]

I had a DM who had us encounter this dude on the plains outside sigil. He was really nice to us, gave a free healing potion and a place to stay for the night. While staying, one of the PCs wakes up to a little noise, wanders into the basement to find a bunch of tied up amputees with gags on their faces. And a wall with the word "balance" on it.

Apparently this guy had a scoring system for good and evil acts and for every good act rendered to those in the outside world, he would exert a "balance" payment on the slave in the basement to compensate.

[Geddy2112]

"What does your character do?"
"They don't do anything in particular."

The one that does nothing, will commit to nothing, and claims to have no preferences, while passive-aggressively having obvious preferences that they refuse to share.

As much as nihilist murderhobos, lawful sticks in the mud, and "balance seekers" who save one puppy, kill one puppy can be irritating and infuriating to no end, apathetic TN is by far my least favorite alignment. These characters just don't care about anything, at all. They add nothing more to the party than a rock. Intelligent summoned monsters are better adventuring companions. As players, they fall into a similar camp, just wasting space at the table. At least I can interact with an extremist, and we can actually play the game together(even if its with knives at each others throats). With an apathetic neutral in the party, you have to go to hell and back just to get the party to do anything.

[Bard1cKnowledge]

"If I don't make it, tell my wife I said hello."

[GungHo]

With an apathetic neutral in the party, you have to go to hell and back just to get the party to do anything.

They will make the most paladiny of paladins fall after inducing a rage of epic proportions.

[Demidos]

If their entire character concept consists of saying --

''Meh, don't care.''

[Aedilred]

They will make the most paladiny of paladins fall after inducing a rage of epic proportions.

Well someone has to continue the epic struggle between good and neutral.

[chainer1216]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zR5uyJ7l2L0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BoyRjFcrjL4

These videos are about The Grey Storm the truest of true neutrals!

[Bard1cKnowledge]

Just think, WWSD (What Would Switzerland DO?)

[Kitten Champion]

The 1st edition interpretation of TN is plenty obnoxious --

True Neutral: The "true" neutral looks upon all other alignments as facets of the system of things. Thus, each aspect - evil and good, chaos and law - of things must be retained in balance to maintain the status quo; for things as they are cannot be improved upon except temporarily, and even then but superficially. Nature will prevail and keep things as they were meant to be, provided the "wheel" surrounding the hub of nature does not become unbalanced due to the work of unnatural forces - such as human and other intelligent creatures interfering with what is meant to be.

That whole Fern Gully angle seems impressively wrought with sanctimony for something described as neutrality.

[golentan]

Someone who comes to the table, with a 500 page book of tables which they possess in character, and who in character rolls on the table to determine every action and who it's directed to.

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[Keltest]

A character who deliberately avoids taking sides in any conflict or potential conflict, no matter how small. "Who should we help?" "I dunno." "Should we have another mage in the party?" "I dunno." "What do you want for breakfast?" "I dunno."

[Kane0]

"I have no strong feelings one way or another."

Hillariously aggrivating.

[Anonymouswizard]

"I have no strong feelings one way or another."

Hillariously aggrivating.

Combine it with the most annoying character motivation:

'I have no strong feelings one way or-they can pay? Excuse me while I fleece them for everything they own. No, this does not make me evil.'

[nedz]

A Kender who steals from everyone, because.

[Strigon]

For your consideration:

Spoiler: Maud Pie

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Note: I loved that episode, and Maud is one of my favourite characters. She doesn't belong in my adventuring party, though.

[Ettina]

A lot of the character being described in this thread are Chaotic Neutral (Chaotic Stupid), not True Neutral. A True Neutral character does not behave randomly, because behaving randomly is strongly Chaotic. Remember, they are Law-Chaos Neutral, as well as Good-Evil Neutral.

[Bard1cKnowledge]

Think Athena from borderlands, or Wilhelm's back story

"He Wilhelm, want to hunt a vault on the moon?"
"No."
"I'll give you a couple of million dollars."
"Okay."

Back to Athena. After the events of the first game, she went to work as a private mercenary, not caring where the money came from or what to do. She had a nice side to her, but tried her*best to hide it.

When she finished Jack's first job she left, ignoring his offer for job number two, and was prepared to die knowing what she did

Aka, no regrets

[TheThan]

For me it would be the druid that refuses to go adventuring with the party because his forest or glade or whatever is more important to him than helping friends, saving the world or any other reason. It’s “neutral” because he’s not taking sides and just focusing on nature. But in reality, he’s being very selfish by making the campaign be about him and his woods and he gets to be a jerk to the Dm by saying things like “how does this affect my forest?”