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    Default Villainous Competition V: A Contest You Canít Refuse

    So listen up. Weíre pleadiní the fifth Ė fifth evil villain competition, that is. Get ready to Optimize My BBEG!

    First One
    Second One
    Third One
    Fourth One

    We're a little different than most of the optimization threads. We run on CR instead of ECL.

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build with at least one of the following points: 5 CR, 10 CR 15CR, 20 CR, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20 CR build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Secret Laboratory: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Item Familiars and Taint are also banned from the competition. We donít want to make this too easy, do we?

    Plotting Time: Contestants will have until 17:59 CST (23:59 GMT) Friday July 10th to create their builds and PM them to the Supreme Chancellor (yours truly, Telonius). Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until Friday July 24th to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Build Elegance, Competence and Power, Memorable Villainy.

    Keep these questions in mind when judging each category:
    Originality - Is it unexpected?
    Build Elegance - Is it mechanically pretty?
    Competence and Power - Can it do what the concept asks of it? Is this a powerfully-built character?
    Memorable Villainy - Is this a villain with style? Will it be the BBEG the players talk about for years to come?

    Build Elegance: Fully monstrous builds are allowed, but may be penalized at the judgesí discretion. All class levels are to be added on as associated class levels. Amount of sources can be penalized, but obscurity of sources should not be penalized. Count the three Core books as one source. Unearthed Arcana can be penalized for elegance if the specific feature seems unnecessary or makes the playing field unfair (In this case, you can give a 0 if it makes the field unfair.)
    Special note on Unearthed Arcana: You can refer to the Code of Omerta listed in the SRD when describing the character, but be aware that there will be no mechanical benefits for using the Honor system described there.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. As the Iron Chef competition states, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.


    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!

    Using the table below, the easiest way to use it is to go to the top left of the private message, and click the little a/A icon. It allows you to see what you're writing.
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    Level Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features
    1st New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    2nd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    3rd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    4th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    5th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    6th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    7th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    8th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    9th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    10th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    11th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    12th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    13th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    14th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    15th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    16th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    17th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    18th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    19th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    20th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
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    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
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    [th][B]Will Save[/B][/th]
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    [td]1st[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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    [tr]
    [td]3rd[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
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    [tr]
    [td]4th[/td]
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    [td]6th[/td]
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    [tr]
    [td]7th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
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    [td]+x[/td]
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    [tr]
    [td]8th[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]9th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
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    [td]10th[/td]
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    [tr]
    [td]11th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]12th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]13th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]14th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]15th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]16th[/td]
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    [td]+x[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]17th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]18th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]19th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    You can use the below table for Spells.
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    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
    1st - - - - - - - - - -
    2nd - - - - - - - - - -
    3rd - - - - - - - - - -
    4th - - - - - - - - - -
    5th - - - - - - - - - -
    6th - - - - - - - - - -
    7th - - - - - - - - - -
    8th - - - - - - - - - -
    9th - - - - - - - - - -
    10th - - - - - - - - - -
    11th - - - - - - - - - -
    12th - - - - - - - - - -
    13th - - - - - - - - - -
    14th - - - - - - - - - -
    15th - - - - - - - - - -
    16th - - - - - - - - - -
    17th - - - - - - - - - -
    18th - - - - - - - - - -
    19th - - - - - - - - - -
    20th - - - - - - - - - -
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    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
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    [tr]
    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
    [th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]
    [th][B]1st[/B][/th]
    [th][B]2nd[/B][/th]
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    [th][B]4th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]5th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]6th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]7th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]8th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]9th[/B][/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [td]20th[/td]
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    [/table]




    Speculation:
    Start planning out your heist, but remember, nobody likes a stool pigeon. Please donít post or speculate on possible builds until the reveal, in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines. Weíve got a nice set of concrete overshoes for anyone who thinks theyíre a wiseguy.

    Weíre looking for a few honest judges whoíll stay bought by the Chancellor, and a bunch of good foot soldiers to submit builds. So line up the usual suspects, because the concept for this 5th Contest is:
    The Crime Lord

    Godfather. Kingpin. Capo di tutti capi. Whatever words you use, this character is the head of a criminal organization. Whether they were born into the family business, or clawed their way to the top of the local Thievesí Guild, theyíre the undisputed master of at least one part of the cityís criminal underworld.

    Limitations:
    • The character must be a member of an intelligent race that might reasonably be found in a large Metropolis. They must be involved in some activity that is actually illegal.
    • The character cannot be Good. ďCriminalĒ Good organizations within an Evil society, or well-intentioned scions trying to get the organization to go legit, are not what weíre going for here.
    • The character cannot be Chaotic. Even if this villain regularly breaks the cityís law, they are the head of a criminal organization. They must pay at least passing interest in their position within the crime world Ė even if itís only to make sure they stay on top.



    Concept Clarification: Your Villain can be the head of any sort of criminal empire; it does not have to be the mafia. Leadership is still banned, but you can assume that the criminal organization follows the Crime Lord more-or-less faithfully, whether through fear, family ties, or any other reason. You can also assume that the character has enough money to obtain any magical item or spellcasting necessary to conceal their personal criminal activities. The town guard is either unaware of the Crime Lord, sufficiently bought off that they don't bother them, or otherwise unable to get enough evidence to charge them with a crime. If your villain maintains a faÁade of being a ďRespectable Business(wo)man,Ē you do not need to invest class features into hiding your criminal background - though youíre certainly free to do that if it fits your concept.

    We will award 1st through 3rd places, and a possible Honorable Mention.



    Use Elite Array instead of Normal Array, no Penalty on using Elite Array on a creature without any class levels.


    So, thatís a nice build you got there. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it. Be sure to make it look nice for the judges. Tips for submitting your entry, provided by Weaselguy:

    - Use capitalization and punctuation, correctly.
    - Make good use of Spoilers, for cleanliness.
    - Don't forget your sources. If it's something that can be found in the contents section, then book title seems to be fine. Obscure stuff, may want to include page number too.
    - DeviantArt has about 9 billion pictures that you can reference, I can almost guarantee you can find one there to fit your character.
    - Make good use of tables. In addition to the Build table and the Spells table, I like doing on e for my Ability Scores, just to keep it neat.
    - Do a build stub at the top of your Build Table, something like Wizard 2/Fighter 3/Abjurant Champion 5/Eldritch Knight 10
    So, start your evil plotting!

    To standardize Entries, please use this format when emailing it in:

    PM: Telonius
    Subject: Villainous Competition 5, Name of your Entry

    For Revisions and disputes, do the same thing. It makes it easier for me finding the entries in my mail box.

    More questions? Youíre a nosy fella, kitty cat Ö but send them anyway, with Villainous Competition 5 Questions in the header.


    EDIT: Submission deadline is extended!
    Last edited by Telonius; 2015-06-30 at 08:41 AM.

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    Ettin in the Playground
     
    SwashbucklerGuy

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    Default Re: Villainous Competition V: A Contest You Canít Refuse

    I'm willing to judge by the new rules. If no one has any objections, of course.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hall View Post
    There's a reason why we bap your nose, not crucify you, for thread necromancy.

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    Default Re: Villainous Competition V: A Contest You Canít Refuse

    Quote Originally Posted by atemu1234 View Post
    I'm willing to judge by the new rules. If no one has any objections, of course.
    Go for it! It's great to have someone who judges all the time. I should judge too, but, augh, I want to build for this theme. We'll see.
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    Princess Pufflebutt: Silver, Junkyard Wars VII
    Gren Beastclaws: Silver, Junkyard Wars VIII
    Mother Halfbreed: Silver, Iron Chef Home Cooking I

    Vathoa Frostspeaker Kualavoaka: Gold, Junkyard Wars IX
    Sanna Blackfish: Bronze, Villainous Competition II
    Annabelle: Gold, Villainous Competition IV
    Nulara of the Evil Eye: Gold, Villainous Competition IX

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    Go for it! It's great to have someone who judges all the time. I should judge too, but, augh, I want to build for this theme. We'll see.
    Have fun. I had an idea, but can't format a table to save my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atemu1234 View Post
    Have fun. I had an idea, but can't format a table to save my life.
    Have you tried the WYSIWYG view? I find it annoying for normal text, but it significantly cuts back the amount of table messes I get myself into.

    EDIT: Not that I should be trying to convince you not to judge.
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    Ayesha: Gold, Junkyard Wars I
    The Last Warder: Silver, Junkyard Wars IV
    Princess Pufflebutt: Silver, Junkyard Wars VII
    Gren Beastclaws: Silver, Junkyard Wars VIII
    Mother Halfbreed: Silver, Iron Chef Home Cooking I

    Vathoa Frostspeaker Kualavoaka: Gold, Junkyard Wars IX
    Sanna Blackfish: Bronze, Villainous Competition II
    Annabelle: Gold, Villainous Competition IV
    Nulara of the Evil Eye: Gold, Villainous Competition IX

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    Quote Originally Posted by sakuuya View Post
    Have you tried the WYSIWYG view? I find it annoying for normal text, but it significantly cuts back the amount of table messes I get myself into.

    EDIT: Not that I should be trying to convince you not to judge.
    I'm committed to judging. Maybe I'll submit a stub when this is all over, k?
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    So...many...ideas...


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    can unwilling nun trafficking count as evil for competition? if yes then I have a wicked idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khadgar567 View Post
    can unwilling nun trafficking count as evil for competition? if yes then I have a wicked idea.
    Sure! I'm pretty sure unwilling nun trafficking is specifically illegal in most kingdoms, too, so you're okay to go on that.

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    This one definitely looks interesting. I'll have to scour some sourcebooks to get a good idea, but count me in!
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    think i have an idea, but i'll first cook my IC entry so i'll might not get around doing it

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    Cannot be Chaotic, because The Joker was too disorganized to become the head of a major crime faction.

    Regardless, I have an idea that I may get around to, Iron Chef and Demon Real Life permitting.
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    I'd actually thought pretty hard about the Joker issue before writing the restriction. The Joker is an awesome character, but he fills a different sort of concept. This would be for a place where a DM needs something that's less Rogues' Gallery, more Carmine Falcone.

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    Huh. That's definitely interesting. Telonius, send me a PM if you want my drafted ideas for the rest of the year, if not, no biggie.
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    I have a potential idea to enter if I can finish it in time.

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    Can we have a clarification on what the categories actually mean? Because last time, I went deliberately for a high originality and got the lowest possible. Are they all just looking at the class levels and seeing how original, competent, and so forth they are? Because that would imply just doing the most left-field class combination possible while trying to stick as close to the script as you can, which isn't something I really want to try to do.

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    Can we have a clarification on what the categories actually mean? Because last time, I went deliberately for a high originality and got the lowest possible. Are they all just looking at the class levels and seeing how original, competent, and so forth they are? Because that would imply just doing the most left-field class combination possible while trying to stick as close to the script as you can, which isn't something I really want to try to do.
    For me personally, Originality comes down to two things:

    1. How dissimilar is the build from the other submitted builds? and
    2. Does the build avoid the stock optimization tricks for builds of its type?

    To give an example of the second one, DMM:Persist Clerics usually get an Originality ding from me, unless one is doing something particularly novel with it. Which is to say that my originality score is about mechanics in this competition, but it's not specifically about class levels. Fluff will be part of (most of?) Memorable Villainy. Heck, I'll try to put up a full set of criteria tonight or tomorrow. It'll be looser than what I use for other competitions, but I hope it'll help you and your fellow competitiors understand how I plan to judge your builds.
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    The Last Warder: Silver, Junkyard Wars IV
    Princess Pufflebutt: Silver, Junkyard Wars VII
    Gren Beastclaws: Silver, Junkyard Wars VIII
    Mother Halfbreed: Silver, Iron Chef Home Cooking I

    Vathoa Frostspeaker Kualavoaka: Gold, Junkyard Wars IX
    Sanna Blackfish: Bronze, Villainous Competition II
    Annabelle: Gold, Villainous Competition IV
    Nulara of the Evil Eye: Gold, Villainous Competition IX

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    I think Originality comes down to two things: use of non-obvious materials, and similarity to other builds submitted.

    For the last competition, it was particularly hard to get an original build out of it. The concept was pretty narrow; there really aren't all that many ways of controlling undead. If you're building a Necromancer, Cleric20 or Dread Necromancer20 is not going to be a terrifically original build, even if it gets the job done. So I'm hoping that by asking for a broader concept this time it'll be a bit easier to come up with something people might not be expecting, while not having to do a weird pretzel of a build. There are many ways of being a Crime Lord.

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    As promised, here's a full list of the critera I'll use for judging this round, spoilered in case you want to be surprised for some crazy reason.

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    Originality:
    1. How mechanically dissimilar is the villain from the other villains in the competition?
    2. Does the villain avoid the stock optimization tricks for builds of their type?

    Elegance:
    1. Does the villain qualify for everything they takes and avoid reliance on questionable rules interpretations?
    2. Does the villainís build feel cohesive, and does its progression make sense?
    (A villain that violates the contest rules by using an alternate rules system such as gestalt will receive a 0 in Elegance regardless of other considerations)

    Power & Competence:
    1. How mechanically powerful is the villain, in general as well as compared to other members of its class?
    2. Is the villainís fluff well-supported by its crunch?

    Style:
    1. To what extent does the villain embody the contestís theme?
    2. Is the villain particularly interesting/memorable?
    (A villain that violates the contest rules by ignoring this roundís limitations will receive a 1 in Style regardless of other considerations.)

    Also note that, though I mentioned ignoring the round limitations as a bad thing (which is not a spoiler), I'll be pretty liberal about what qualifies as a race that "might reasonably be found in a large Metropolis." So if you have an idea that skirts that limitation, it'll probably be fine with me as long as you justify it.
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    Ayesha: Gold, Junkyard Wars I
    The Last Warder: Silver, Junkyard Wars IV
    Princess Pufflebutt: Silver, Junkyard Wars VII
    Gren Beastclaws: Silver, Junkyard Wars VIII
    Mother Halfbreed: Silver, Iron Chef Home Cooking I

    Vathoa Frostspeaker Kualavoaka: Gold, Junkyard Wars IX
    Sanna Blackfish: Bronze, Villainous Competition II
    Annabelle: Gold, Villainous Competition IV
    Nulara of the Evil Eye: Gold, Villainous Competition IX

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    exactly how liberal is that? ... would you accept a copy of Nexil'Vendyliq, Aboleth Crime Lord from Waterdeep (page 52&57 in City of Spendors) for being an acceptable race?

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    exactly how liberal is that? ... would you accept a copy of Nexil'Vendyliq, Aboleth Crime Lord from Waterdeep (page 52&57 in City of Spendors) for being an acceptable race?
    If his fluff was good, sure. Basically, the less obvious it is that a given race fits that limitation, the better I want the explanation of how the villain achieved their status/manages to live in a city where they stick out so much. Honestly, the only way I see someone flat-out FtQ'ing from that limitation is if they did something like an aboleth but included literally nothing justifying it. A bad or lackluster explanation will probably get penalized but not FtQ.

    I hope that helps. Basically, I don't want to discourage people from trying wacky ideas.
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    Princess Pufflebutt: Silver, Junkyard Wars VII
    Gren Beastclaws: Silver, Junkyard Wars VIII
    Mother Halfbreed: Silver, Iron Chef Home Cooking I

    Vathoa Frostspeaker Kualavoaka: Gold, Junkyard Wars IX
    Sanna Blackfish: Bronze, Villainous Competition II
    Annabelle: Gold, Villainous Competition IV
    Nulara of the Evil Eye: Gold, Villainous Competition IX

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    Nine days to go! How are the builds coming along?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    Nine days to go! How are the builds coming along?
    I've been pretty distracted by pbp games I'm interested in, but my build is still chugging along. I have some issues with it, but it should make for an interesting read...assuming I finish it.


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    I've got my judging magic eight ball all ready!
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    Four days to go in the competition, and my inbox is very quiet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    Four days to go in the competition, and my inbox is very quiet...
    Per our earlier conversation, I'm waiting on a. . . clarification.
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    The clock's ticking, and so far no submissions ... I know that Amphetyron is waiting for one particular item, but are the other competitors still in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    The clock's ticking, and so far no submissions ... I know that Amphetyron is waiting for one particular item, but are the other competitors still in?
    are we submit character or organization and can homebrew prc usable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by khadgar567 View Post
    are we submit character or organization and can homebrew prc usable?
    You submit one character, you can only use official content, and either way you have to do it in the next half a day anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jormengand View Post
    You submit one character, you can only use official content, and either way you have to do it in the next half a day anyway.
    then I need 5 lvl prc for the doŮa so I here by resin from the competition

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