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    Red dragon could use Locate Object (despite it being a 2nd level spell), gold dragon could use bless, and there are so many options.
    Oh but those are literally the two most boring dragons in the entire game. If you are going to pick something from the monster manual, pick something like white dragon. If you think hard enough about it you begin to realize the white dragon is the most ferocious fierce multi-vector assault platform. Sadly people would be upset if i gave it wall of ice, even though that is exactly what i think of when i think what spell should all white dragons learn. it helps them create corners for their prey, combine that with every type of movement speed and icy terrain advantage (seriously where else are you going to find a white dragon, on vacation to the tropics?) and many people would need a new pair of pants afterwards if they have legs and a brain left anyway.

    Red and gold dragons: big, fire, "scary", who cares.

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    Oh but those are literally the two most boring dragons in the entire game. If you are going to pick something from the monster manual, pick something like white dragon. If you think hard enough about it you begin to realize the white dragon is the most ferocious fierce multi-vector assault platform. Sadly people would be upset if i gave it wall of ice, even though that is exactly what i think of when i think what spell should all white dragons learn. it helps them create corners for their prey, combine that with every type of movement speed and icy terrain advantage (seriously where else are you going to find a white dragon, on vacation to the tropics?) and many people would need a new pair of pants afterwards if they have legs and a brain left anyway.

    Red and gold dragons: big, fire, "scary", who cares.
    Red dragons are fun when you play up their wealth detection, arrogance, and position among evil dragon-kind (my personal favorite chromatic is actually Blue because of a small mention of them an theocracies). That said only time I use red dragons is when I need some reason for chromatic dragons to work together, or as the big, scary dragon because killing a red dragon has meaning for players. White dragons will always have a special place in my heart because of being so cute in the MM that it got me to buy it and thus update to 3.x.

    Gold dragons are just plain boring. I mean Silver Dragons are the ones which love humans, cherish what we cherish, mingle among us as if they were humans. Bronze dragons are the warrior-champions, who join in human wars to aid the side of good, who watch out for animals. That riding dog which the (halfling or gnome) commander has ridden in every battle of the campaign? Secretly a bronze dragon all along, making sure he got where he needed to be at the moment (even if he thought he needed to be somewhere else) and making sure he survived. Gold dragons? Umm... Big goods who extort tribute and sit on their lazy asses? Ok, I've actually used one as a sort of LG Priest-King before but they're the most boring good aligned dragons.

    The two are also the most iconic and easiest to come up with effects for off the cuff.

    Silver would get Disguise Self. Bronze Speak with Animals. Copper Spider Climb. Brass not sure without opening a book/the srd. Blue would get their racial destroy water ability. Green could get Charm Fey (Charm Person but fey instead of humanoids). Black... not sure. White honestly Grease refluffed as an ice slick.
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    So, black dragons are basically batman. Reletively weak, super intelligent, all we really know is they like to make really good plans... Fox's cunning.

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    Red dragons are fun when you play up their wealth detection, arrogance, and position among evil dragon-kind (my personal favorite chromatic is actually Blue because of a small mention of them an theocracies). That said only time I use red dragons is when I need some reason for chromatic dragons to work together, or as the big, scary dragon because killing a red dragon has meaning for players. White dragons will always have a special place in my heart because of being so cute in the MM that it got me to buy it and thus update to 3.x.

    Gold dragons are just plain boring. I mean Silver Dragons are the ones which love humans, cherish what we cherish, mingle among us as if they were humans. Bronze dragons are the warrior-champions, who join in human wars to aid the side of good, who watch out for animals. That riding dog which the (halfling or gnome) commander has ridden in every battle of the campaign? Secretly a bronze dragon all along, making sure he got where he needed to be at the moment (even if he thought he needed to be somewhere else) and making sure he survived. Gold dragons? Umm... Big goods who extort tribute and sit on their lazy asses? Ok, I've actually used one as a sort of LG Priest-King before but they're the most boring good aligned dragons.

    The two are also the most iconic and easiest to come up with effects for off the cuff.

    Silver would get Disguise Self. Bronze Speak with Animals. Copper Spider Climb. Brass not sure without opening a book/the srd. Blue would get their racial destroy water ability. Green could get Charm Fey (Charm Person but fey instead of humanoids). Black... not sure. White honestly Grease refluffed as an ice slick.
    White dragons? Aren't they the dumbest dragons?

    I actually like Gold Dragons. They are really good for a variety of effects. Need an Ubermount? Gold Dragon. Need a Simulacrum? Gold Dragon. Need a Wildshape? Gold Dragon.

    Bronze dragons are tricksters, so maybe a spell like Glibness or an Image spell?
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    White dragons? Aren't they the dumbest dragons?

    I actually like Gold Dragons. They are really good for a variety of effects. Need an Ubermount? Gold Dragon. Need a Simulacrum? Gold Dragon. Need a Wildshape? Gold Dragon.

    Bronze dragons are tricksters, so maybe a spell like Glibness or an Image spell?
    Yes, white dragons are the dumbest. They are the most animalistic. They also start out weaker than pretty much any other true dragon. They also live in an area where most of the things on the bottom of the food chain could kill them. So honestly only the really lucky and cunning ones should live any length of time. So basically, a great wyrm white dragon has lived through horrible time, can attack from the sea, sky, and underground, and live in what is basically a 3d maze carved out of a glacier or iceberg. Also, white dragons are naturally savage. Great wyrm white dragons fluff-wise are savage apex predators forged by mother nature, that finally have an intelligence score. Crunch-wise, they have really awesome movement capabilities, and some awesome spell like abilities, including Freezing Fog.

    besides, wouldn't you want the cute white idiotic terror that wants nothing but to single mindedly try to bite your head off?

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    Personally, my favorite Dragon has to be the Underworld Dragon, mainly because it looks *vaguely* like one of my favorite dragons ever (The giant metal dragon thing from WoW Cataclysm), despite not liking the game very much, and not even having played the game. Sadly, they're the weakest imperial dragon, not even getting 9th level spells and being the most commonly resisted element.
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    besides, wouldn't you want the cute white idiotic terror that wants nothing but to single mindedly try to bite your head off?
    Kind of like a big t rex?
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    Personally, my favorite Dragon has to be the Underworld Dragon, mainly because it looks *vaguely* like one of my favorite dragons ever (The giant metal dragon thing from WoW Cataclysm), despite not liking the game very much, and not even having played the game. Sadly, they're the weakest imperial dragon, not even getting 9th level spells and being the most commonly resisted element.
    Oh, you mean Deathwing? Nah, screw that guy. Dirty Maly, aspect of magic, is where it's at.

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    Kind of like a big t rex?
    Nah, i'm talking about the ones the size of a house cat. Once they get big there is a small chance they will play with you before they go all predator on you.

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    With white dragons I like a pack of young to young adults which hunt people like some super powerful wolves.
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    With white dragons I like a pack of young to young adults which hunt people like some super powerful wolves.
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    You never fail to confuse amuse me, Marlowe and co. Also, if I may correct a statement you made: "Friends don't let friends play 3.5 monks". Pathfinder monks are actually worth a damn. I can play a Pathfinder monk with not much in the way of optimization tricks and still contribute handily to the group I play with, and they're not low-op people.
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    You never fail to confuse amuse me, Marlowe and co. Also, if I may correct a statement you made: "Friends don't let friends play 3.5 monks". Pathfinder monks are actually worth a damn. I can play a Pathfinder monk with not much in the way of optimization tricks and still contribute handily to the group I play with, and they're not low-op people.
    Hm. How do you do that? Have you managed to somehow find a way to be useful outside of combat, or are you managing it by being really good at fighting? I've not played a PF monk, but they don't seem to have much in the way of anything except damage output and I've heard they aren't exactly spectacular at that either save for Pummeling Style.
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    Kergerenko? really? Is her last name Usagi? No that might be too creative...

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    You never fail to confuse amuse me, Marlowe and co. Also, if I may correct a statement you made: "Friends don't let friends play 3.5 monks". Pathfinder monks are actually worth a damn. I can play a Pathfinder monk with not much in the way of optimization tricks and still contribute handily to the group I play with, and they're not low-op people.
    hey now, 3.5 monks can be really useful... once every couple of multiverses worth of time... Like this one time this monk somehow managed to win the campaign by talking to squirrels... I suppose if they had a caster that wasn't a sorcerer they could have done the same thing any number of different ways, or bypassed it entirely, or even used track or gather information to figure out enough to get where they needed to get going... this isn't doing anything for the 3.5 monk is it. Well they can do some minor dbz stuff, like ki based energy blasts, at a reasonable level and i guess that is all i have to offer on the subject...

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    Kergerenko? really? Is her last name Usagi? No that might be too creative...

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    So, is there still someone around to make me into a nice item? I'll be sorry to say that my item building skills are terrible since I will ahve no idea what I'll be doing (so stay tuned for something terrible to happen)...
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    You never fail to confuse amuse me, Marlowe and co. Also, if I may correct a statement you made: "Friends don't let friends play 3.5 monks". Pathfinder monks are actually worth a damn. I can play a Pathfinder monk with not much in the way of optimization tricks and still contribute handily to the group I play with, and they're not low-op people.
    No, not really. Even my friend you plays a Jack B. Quick monk gets circles run around him.

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    His bardness, illyahr, grants permission. This should be good.
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    This is awesome. I will play it, Snaughbleauf will wield me.

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    This is awesome. I will play it, Snaughbleauf will wield me.
    Until then, you can play a Fiend of Possession.

    Also, I love that Snaughbleauf is still a thing.

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    Until then, you can play a Fiend of Possession.
    The name immediately turns me off of it...

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    Also, I love that Snaughbleauf is still a thing.
    Every time I see your name it pops into my head.

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    The name immediately turns me off of it...
    Don't worry, you don't have to be evil, just an [Evil] Outsider. You can be "good."
    Every time I see your name it pops into my head.
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    Don't worry, you don't have to be evil, just an [Evil] Outsider. You can be "good."
    Oh. That changes everything. Erinyes Paladin, here I come.

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    Excellent.
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    Also, did you like the new art I put up?
    I do like it!

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    They might well be my favorite official dragons, and I have a strange dragon fixation which is weird and unhealthy and unnatural. Also they're easily the most majestic and regal looking metallic dragons in the 3e Monster Manual (white dragons still win cutest puppy).
    That's okay. I think everyone here has an unhealthy fixation on D&D. That's why we're here so often...
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    Oh. That changes everything. Erinyes Paladin, here I come.
    Eh... I'm not sure about Erinyes... and paladin levels would delay getting in to FoP.
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    They might well be my favorite official dragons, and I have a strange dragon fixation which is weird and unhealthy and unnatural. Also they're easily the most majestic and regal looking metallic dragons in the 3e Monster Manual (white dragons still win cutest puppy).
    See, he's ignoring me! Why don't you love me and my bees, Zaydos? D:
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    All gaming systems should be terribly flawed and exploitable if you want everyone to be happy with them. This allows for a wide variety of power levels for games for different levels of players.
    I dub this the Snowbluff Axiom.

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