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    Question SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    The real question is SHOULD he?

    I mean, I know (or strongly suspect... Rich is kind of tricky) Roy will eventually come back, it seems that the drama of Roy's death being negated next week would really cheapen the strip.

    Now, a double story, with Roy traveling through the underworld, interacting with his dad and others on one hand, while Haley leads the OotS to chase down Xykon and Redcloak on the other? Character development all around.

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    My current mindset is that one of the goblin clerics will turn Roy into an undead and the story will be drawn-out a bit that way. He certainly won't be rezed next week.

    The only problem is that this would negate my theory on Durkon becoming an undead and attacking his home village, because I don't think Rich would use the same plottwist twice.


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    Default Re: SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    also...that dosnt make sense
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    The place where Roy fell was at least a little bit removed from the battlefield, making it unlikely that a cleric is going to randomly stumble upon his body and resurrect it.


    What MIGHT happen, is Redcloak or Xykon, being high level spellcasters, could turn Roy into some type of intelligent undead, such as a devourer, or even another death knight. It would be worth it, because many intelligent undead are templates, and so a powerful warrior like Roy would make an even more powerful undead.
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    Default Re: SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    espically since it takes 10 min to cast...
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    Ressurect takes ten minutes to cast... anyone trying to cast it in battle would die before they could complete it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finwe View Post
    What MIGHT happen, is Redcloak or Xykon, being high level spellcasters, could turn Roy into some type of intelligent undead
    Do you think Undead Roy will hate "mindless zombie" jokes the same way he hated "stupid fighter" comments in life?
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    Default Re: SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    OotS is set in the D&D universe, and there people can be brought back from the dead, so bringing roy back isn't cheap or out of line in any way.

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    Do you think Undead Roy will hate "mindless zombie" jokes the same way he hated "stupid fighter" comments in life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jindra34 View Post
    Ressurect takes ten minutes to cast... anyone trying to cast it in battle would die before they could complete it...

    Yes, I know, but I don't get the point of Innis' post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finwe View Post
    What MIGHT happen, is Redcloak or Xykon, being high level spellcasters, could turn Roy into some type of intelligent undead, such as a devourer, or even another death knight. It would be worth it, because many intelligent undead are templates, and so a powerful warrior like Roy would make an even more powerful undead.
    Wouldn't an intelligent undead version of Roy side with Azure city and the order of the stick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu42 View Post
    Wouldn't an intelligent undead version of Roy side with Azure city and the order of the stick?
    Yep perfectly within the rules would be he keeps his persona...

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    Default Re: SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    I think it'll be a while before Roy comes back. I'm pretty sure he will (eventually), but it would be wasted Drama if he came back before the end of the battle.

    Maybe Roy's Ressurrection will be the next story arch.
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    Default Re: SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    Seriously, even in D&D ressurection isn't that easy. Even if they have cash, diamonds don't grow on trees, so it won't be easy to get them, especially if city falls, which is quite likely. Second, they may have troubles getting Roy's body back, since it's preety far from the city walls.
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    They still have at least ONE sack of gold left.... It was a decent-sized bag too... it's gotta have 5000 gp in it at least..
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    Default Re: SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    Quote Originally Posted by Geilan View Post
    They still have at least ONE sack of gold left.... It was a decent-sized bag too... it's gotta have 5000 gp in it at least..
    I don't think money is the problem, the problem is to find a diamond. You can't sacrifice 5000 gp you need to buy a diamond of 5000 gp. So if Azure City falls they will have to wait until they find a city big enough to sell diamonds of this price.
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    I personally think that he shouldn't be resurrected for a couple of weeks - there's a lot of plot potential here, and as Haley said:

    : "Elan, we need to win this battle if Durkon is going to have any chance of raising Roy from the dead."

    Even if Durkon made a beeline for Roy, the chances are that the spell-casting time would be interrupted by a hobgoblin or someone, hence the battle would need to be over.

    At any rate, I bet either Belkar or Haley will make an innuendic joke about "Roy's Resurrection".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rai Thunder View Post
    I personally think that he shouldn't be resurrected for a couple of weeks - there's a lot of plot potential here, and as Haley said:

    : "Elan, we need to win this battle if Durkon is going to have any chance of raising Roy from the dead."

    Even if Durkon made a beeline for Roy, the chances are that the spell-casting time would be interrupted by a hobgoblin or someone, hence the battle would need to be over.

    At any rate, I bet either Belkar or Haley will make an innuendic joke about "Roy's Resurrection".
    You forgot the Roy in the land of the Dead comics... the nuggets of this "arc"...

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    Default Re: SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    They don't need a single diamond worth 5000 gp, they need any number of diamonds worth a total of 5000 gp. That really should not be hard to find even if Azure City is out of the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jindra34 View Post
    You forgot the Roy in the land of the Dead comics... the nuggets of this "arc"...
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    a) Haley may have 5000gp in diamonds; i mean, she has not allways shared the loot whit the party
    b) if roy is raised as an intelligent undead, would he retain something of his personality? (i donīt think heīll be LG, you know?)
    c) if durkon is trying to resurrect Roy, donīt you think that he will be well protected from any interruption? (Hayley+Elan+Belkar+Vaarsuvius+some nameless npcs= should do the trick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorin View Post
    a) Haley may have 500gp in diamonds; i mean, she has not allways shared the loot whit the party
    b) if roy is raised as an intelligent undead, would he retain something of his personality? (i donīt think heīll be LG, you know?)
    c) if durkon is trying to resurrect Roy, donīt you think that he will be well protected from any interruption? (Hayley+Elan+Belkar+Vaarsuvius+some nameless npcs= shoyuld do the trick
    b) he would retain all his personality
    c)belkar is the only one with enough skill and you saw what happened last time...

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    I can recall that somewhere, in just about every undead template, it says something along the lines of this:
    ALIGNMENT: changes to EVIL

    Also, I think that undead are enslaved automaticly to the guy that casts the spell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Tanhauser View Post
    OotS is set in the D&D universe, and there people can be brought back from the dead, so bringing roy back isn't cheap or out of line in any way.
    It is also a story, and killing off a major character and then going "ZOMG! Ressurection!" basicly right after is just bad story telling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookboy View Post
    I can recall that somewhere, in just about every undead template, it says something along the lines of this:
    ALIGNMENT: changes to EVIL

    Also, I think that undead are enslaved automaticly to the guy that casts the spell.
    Those i believe only aply to animate dead spell...

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    Default Re: SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    I have the book that the death knight is in and they are required to have been evil BEFORE they died, as it says:
    ALIGNMENT: Same as base creature (MUST BE EVIL)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookboy View Post
    I have the book that the death knight is in and they are required to have been evil BEFORE they died, as it says:
    ALIGNMENT: Same as base creature (MUST BE EVIL)
    but there are many kinds of intelligent undead... the DK is just one not enough to base a general statement off of...

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    Default Re: SPOILER: OK, Durkon CAN bring Roy back...

    The diamond's not really an issue: remember the big honking one that wasn't used to raise Shojo? It's sitting around somewhere (probably in Belkar's pockets)

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    Actually, I'm pretty sure that that diamonds are consumed by the spell even if it fails.
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