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    What I like best about the 3E Warlock:


    What I like best about the 5E (Tome) Warlock:


    Flexibility is awesome, but I'd sacrifice that spellbook in a heartbeat to be a 24-7 flying hentai apocalypse demon.

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    Now whenever I think of 5e, I will imagine the entire party as kindergartners in dinosaur costumes casting spells and swinging weapons going 'grawr'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar1969 View Post
    Flexibility is awesome, but I'd sacrifice that spellbook in a heartbeat to be a 24-7 flying hentai apocalypse demon.
    Truly one of the most quotable sentences to ever come out of this forum.
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    Yeah, I'd put that in my sig if the owner of the quote was okay with it.
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    Sorcerers are also based on Charisma. If a Wizard studies the cheat codes to reality, the Sorcerer literally just glares or winks at the universe. And the universe listens.
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    Flexibility is awesome, but I'd sacrifice that spellbook in a heartbeat to be a 24-7 flying hentai apocalypse demon.


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    LOL, thanks. As Sirius Cybernetics Corporation would say, "Share and Enjoy!"

    It would be pretty ridiculous for someone who posted a meme mashup to complain about being quoted.
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    Meanwhile, in 4e...

    "Okay, you can make pacts with Demons, Fey, the very Stars, Historical Figures, stuff below the Earth, Magical Hitlers or natural disasters."
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    Quote Originally Posted by GPuzzle View Post
    Meanwhile, in 4e...

    "Okay, you can make pacts with Demons, Fey, the very Stars, Historical Figures, stuff below the Earth, Magical Hitlers or natural disasters."
    Don't forget the feat where you get any two of those. Ah, good old Extra Pact...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dire_Stirge View Post
    Don't forget the feat where you get any two of those. Ah, good old Extra Pact...
    So basically having an affair? Or are the patrons just kinky like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dire_Stirge View Post
    Don't forget the feat where you get any two of those. Ah, good old Extra Pact...
    Ever since 5e came out I've just discovered more about 4e that I love and wish I had the chance to play it. Where is this feat!?

    I wonder if it can be used to represent weird pacts, what entities would a give a Star/Fey pact or Fey/Infernal one?

    Also, is there an abyssal pact?
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    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    How about a Jovian Uplift stuck in a Case morph? it makes so little sense.

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    It's right there: Infernal. They use it to designate any denizens of the Lower 7. Quasits are a familiar option for Infernal Chainlocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe the Rat View Post
    It's right there: Infernal. They use it to designate any denizens of the Lower 7. Quasits are a familiar option for Infernal Chainlocks.
    Sorry, was referring to 4e. I'm fine with Infernal being any of the lower planes in 3.X and 5e, but Demons and the Abyss are significantly different from Devils and Baator in default 4e (not that I don't plan to put the great wheel back in at some point, but I'm talking about options for when I'm a PC, not DM).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelphas View Post
    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    How about a Jovian Uplift stuck in a Case morph? it makes so little sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    Ever since 5e came out I've just discovered more about 4e that I love and wish I had the chance to play it. Where is this feat!?

    I wonder if it can be used to represent weird pacts, what entities would a give a Star/Fey pact or Fey/Infernal one?

    Also, is there an abyssal pact?
    Dragon Magazine. Twofold Pact. Dragon Magazine Annual 2009 has it IIRC, and many other fun things for Warlocks. Paragon (11+) level, however.

    4e's a godsend to DMs because Points of Light, the default setting, has pieces of lore thrown around throughout everything, and it is very loose. There isn't one, but you can create one!

    No, but there's a reffufflabe Dark Pact (with Underdark - aka where Drows live - entities), which came out in the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide alongside the Swordmage, who's a Defender (alongside Wardens, Fighters, Paladins and Battleminds), Eberron brought us the Artificer, a Leader (alongside the Shaman, the Bard, the Warlord, the Cleric and the Ardent), and Dark Sum brought us Themes (mini-classes of sorts) and options for Shaman, Warlock, Battlemind and Fighter.
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    I, sadly, lack the resources to do this, but I was hoping this would be a thread full of such pictures. Can I request that we put pictures labeled "3e, 4e, 5e" in juxtapositions to illustrate these three kinds of warlocks?

    And, just because I'm contractually obligated (*cough*)...
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    Meanwhile, in 4e...

    "Okay, you can make pacts with Demons, Fey, the very Stars, Historical Figures, stuff below the Earth, Magical Hitlers or natural disasters."
    "...and their powers let you play a swordsage."

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    Explain, please, that flew over my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GPuzzle View Post
    Explain, please, that flew over my head.
    If you meant me, it's just me expressing my frustration with 4e's class mechanics that make them all use the Martial Adept subsystem rathre than having a unique subsystem for a bunch of different sources of power. Feel free to ignore it; you can disagree that it's the case, even. This really isn't the thread to revive the debate. (For the record, I liked several things 4e did with the underlying core system mechanics. But their classes just...didn't feel like D&D anymore, to me, and so I couldn't have fun with them when I'm supposed to be playing a D&D game.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segev View Post
    If you meant me, it's just me expressing my frustration with 4e's class mechanics that make them all use the Martial Adept subsystem rathre than having a unique subsystem for a bunch of different sources of power. Feel free to ignore it; you can disagree that it's the case, even. This really isn't the thread to revive the debate. (For the record, I liked several things 4e did with the underlying core system mechanics. But their classes just...didn't feel like D&D anymore, to me, and so I couldn't have fun with them when I'm supposed to be playing a D&D game.)
    I thought you meant that 4e gave Warlocks (more) melee powers.
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    They only really have Eldritch Strike and the Sorcerer-King Pact powers in that regard.

    They're great for Warlock|Leader Hybrids, though, especially Warlock|Warlords.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GPuzzle View Post
    They only really have Eldritch Strike and the Sorcerer-King Pact powers in that regard.

    They're great for Warlock|Leader Hybrids, though, especially Warlock|Warlords.
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    Yes.

    The most optimized build for that is Behind Her Blue Flame, which goes with a bit of Invoker as well. So it's Martial Leader, Arcane Striker and Divine Invoker mixed into one.

    While 4e is more standardized, each class feels different to play, which is what I find more important.
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    Agree that although it had faults, 4E offered quite a few improvements to the game, many of which have been quietly incorporated into 5E. Also, when 5E's first splatbook comes out, I hope it includes Warlord as a base class.

    But I never liked the 4E Warlock, which is why I didn't make pictures about them.

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