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2007-05-01, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
I don't have Oriental Adventures, nor am I able to get it. Never the less, I want to run an Oriental campaign. Basically, have Japanese, Indian, and Mongolian flavor all in a campaign world. I have access to the various Oriental classes from the Complete series. What other classes does OA have? and where might I find Oriental-themed stuff online (free)?
Edit: I forgot a question: How Oriental is OA, as in is it just Japanese flavor, Chinese, etc?Last edited by Lord Tataraus; 2007-05-01 at 05:07 PM.
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2007-05-01, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
Oriental adventures have plenty of flavor from other cultures other than just Japanese. But its all mixed together so you’ll have to hunt and peck to pull out what bits and pieces belong to which culture. You don’t really need Oriental adventures to run an Asian campaign, but it does help, particularly with monsters. That’ll be the hardest thing to find.
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2007-05-01, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
look at the almighty Wiki
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2007-05-01, 06:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
OA has the Samurai, Shaman (very different from the CD Spirit Shaman), and Sohei, plus the Shugenja (updated in CD, also made less setting-specific) and Wu Jen (CArc).
Flavor-wise, quite a bit of it is devoted to the Rokugan setting, which is very Japanese, but there's stuff for everything, and a page or two on world-building. I'd reccomend building your own world and doing your own research.
Also, there's no reason not to use the Tome of Battle here.Last projects, from years back: Lesser Disciplines (Tome of Battle). Also, Never Behind the Curve (multiclassing).
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2007-05-01, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
Hmmn. Oriental Adventures without Oriental Adventures....? Have you searched the Wizard's Website for related material?
Well, anyway, most Core Base Classes are portable (I would not advise using The Complete Warrior Samurai over the Fighter). Basically, if you want to make this more than D&D 'in funny hats', you are going to need to be familiar with your source material. An Oriental Campaign isn't an end unto itself, it's a different background. What kind of Oriental Campaign are you looking to run?It is a joyful thing indeed to hold intimate converse with a man after one’s own heart, chatting without reserve about things of interest or the fleeting topics of the world; but such, alas, are few and far between.
– Yoshida Kenko (1283-1350), Tsurezure-Gusa (1340)
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2007-05-01, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
I used just research and the missus to create my oriental continent in my homebrew world, and the GURPS China book is worth a look.
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2007-05-01, 10:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
Tome of Battle is a very good idea for such a setting,.
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2007-05-01, 10:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
How so, exactly?
It is a joyful thing indeed to hold intimate converse with a man after one’s own heart, chatting without reserve about things of interest or the fleeting topics of the world; but such, alas, are few and far between.
– Yoshida Kenko (1283-1350), Tsurezure-Gusa (1340)
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2007-05-01, 11:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
ToB is good for any setting; it doesn't particularly have anything more to do with Indian, Japanese or Mongolian myths than any other book, though.
Tellahs' Guide to Making an Orientalist Campaign:
Make a Fighter and call him a samurai. Make a Wizard and call him an onmyoji. Send them to Baator and call it Di Yu. Show them a spectre and call it enenra. Your fighting instructor is called your si fu, sabunim, or sensei. Dungeon crawling proceeds as usual.
Tellah's Guide to Making an Asian-themed Campaign Setting:
Read books. Read books about Shinto, about the Chinese Imperial system, about the dancing priestesses of Krishna, about life in a Yurt on the Mongolian steppes. Then do it yourself. D&D rulebooks will only get in your way.
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2007-05-01, 11:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
It has a little note in the front explaining what the supernatural martial arts and wire-fu stuff is doing in a standard setting. You don't need to make that argument to put it in an oriental setting.
It's good everywhere, but the only excuse to keep it out of an East Asian setting is that you don't have it and can't afford it.Last projects, from years back: Lesser Disciplines (Tome of Battle). Also, Never Behind the Curve (multiclassing).
Some of my current work is under the name IGTN on D&D Wiki
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2007-05-02, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
Making a Japanese setting is easy- give everyone gravity-defying hair and goofy names, arm them with weapons that are either completely ridiculous or way too big, have everyone make dramatic pauses and be unusually sensitive about even the idea of themselves being in a committed relationship, and then make sure the big bad guy has several bizarre henchmen, though only one actually has to be effective at anything other then comic relief or adventure padding.
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2007-05-02, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-05-02, 07:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wuxia is not synonymous with Oriental Adventures. That's just one genre.
It is a joyful thing indeed to hold intimate converse with a man after one’s own heart, chatting without reserve about things of interest or the fleeting topics of the world; but such, alas, are few and far between.
– Yoshida Kenko (1283-1350), Tsurezure-Gusa (1340)
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2007-05-02, 08:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
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2007-05-02, 09:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
Matthew seems to be synonymous with not reading though
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2007-05-02, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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It is a joyful thing indeed to hold intimate converse with a man after one’s own heart, chatting without reserve about things of interest or the fleeting topics of the world; but such, alas, are few and far between.
– Yoshida Kenko (1283-1350), Tsurezure-Gusa (1340)
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2007-05-02, 09:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
yes because one popular aspect mentioned obviously means that the sum of it
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2007-05-02, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
What? Tome of Battle is good for many things (Wuxia included), but why should it be thought particularly good for a generic Oriental styled game on account of its ability to model Wuxia? That makes no sense at all. Please try to be civil with your replies, insults and sarcasm are not really answers.
It is a joyful thing indeed to hold intimate converse with a man after one’s own heart, chatting without reserve about things of interest or the fleeting topics of the world; but such, alas, are few and far between.
– Yoshida Kenko (1283-1350), Tsurezure-Gusa (1340)
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2007-05-02, 09:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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yea sorry i put a 15yr old girl in hospital tonight, i'm a little out of sorts.
but why should it be thought particularly good for a generic Oriental styled game on account of its ability to model Wuxia? That makes no sense at all.
It makes perfect sense, it is invariably going to come up in an oriental styled world. They won't all be imperial court intrigue games. Even then it comes up.
It's makes as much as sense to include it as a world (we arnt talking a specific game) as it does not too because it emulates only one aspect well.
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2007-05-02, 10:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
Matthew has a darn good point. If I may expand upon it, Wuxia is not a necessary an element in modeling historical Asian cultures, nor in modeling Asian legends. If Lord Tataurus wants to run a game based on the Tokugawa campaigns, or Mongolian raids into China, or the Iron Age Mahajanapadas of India, then a system of martial arts maneuvers isn't strictly required. I love the book, probably as much as anyone, but it doesn't model anything I think of when I think of real Asian cultures.
If, on the other hand, Lord Tataurus is looking to run an Orientalist campaign, based more in Western perceptions of Asia than on historical fact--nothing wrong with that, I've done it myself--then I agree that Tome of Battle is a good fit.
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2007-05-02, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
Core, TOB whatever, all can work if you change the flavor.
For an epic game, I made a character using the TOB who was inspired by Master Asia from G Gundam. All I did was change the name of the styles and the moves. Whoop-dee-do. You guys are making this way harder on yourself then you need too.
My suggestion? Watch a lot of movies/tv shows/cartoons whatever that match what you want to do. The rest is just renaming. :P"We are all responsible for everybody."
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2007-05-02, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, I am sorry to hear that. I hope everything works out.
It makes perfect sense, it is invariably going to come up in an oriental styled world. They won't all be imperial court intrigue games. Even then it comes up.
It's makes as much as sense to include it as a world (we arnt talking a specific game) as it does not too because it emulates only one aspect well.Last edited by Matthew; 2007-05-02 at 10:23 AM.
It is a joyful thing indeed to hold intimate converse with a man after one’s own heart, chatting without reserve about things of interest or the fleeting topics of the world; but such, alas, are few and far between.
– Yoshida Kenko (1283-1350), Tsurezure-Gusa (1340)
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2007-05-02, 10:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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And Wuxia wasn't all that was mentioned so why attack it?
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2007-05-02, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-05-02, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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seems rather pointless since noone was arguing that's all there was
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2007-05-02, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
I don't think anyone was attacking Wuxia. I was questioning the generic usefulness of Tome of Battle for an Oriental Adventures Campaign. The Original Poster didn't seem to be asking about Martial Arts flavour:
I don't have Oriental Adventures, nor am I able to get it. Never the less, I want to run an Oriental campaign. Basically, have Japanese, Indian, and Mongolian flavor all in a campaign world. I have access to the various Oriental classes from the Complete series. What other classes does OA have? and where might I find Oriental-themed stuff online (free)?
Edit: I forgot a question: How Oriental is OA, as in is it just Japanese flavor, Chinese, etc?It is a joyful thing indeed to hold intimate converse with a man after one’s own heart, chatting without reserve about things of interest or the fleeting topics of the world; but such, alas, are few and far between.
– Yoshida Kenko (1283-1350), Tsurezure-Gusa (1340)
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2007-05-02, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
well if you're going to be like that, there's no point recommending anything, because it might not be intending to run something that uses it.
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2007-05-02, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oriental flavor campaign without Oriental Adventures
Well, it does rather depend on the campaign he is looking to run, which is why we requested more information as to what type of Oriental Campaign. This question is as broad as, "Hey, I want to run an Occidental Campaign, using French, English, German and Hungarian flavour. Any suggestions?"
Just saying, yeah Tome of Battle, isn't really good enough. However, saying "Well, it depends on what kind of Oriental Campaign you are looking to run. If you want it to be like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Hero or Atsumi then I would definitely recommend Tome of Battle, as it presents several interesting Base Classes and play options with mechanics that will support and reinforce an over the top Martial Arts experience. I would also recommend the following films, books and RPG resources to build a campaign flavour..." etc..Last edited by Matthew; 2007-05-02 at 01:01 PM.
It is a joyful thing indeed to hold intimate converse with a man after one’s own heart, chatting without reserve about things of interest or the fleeting topics of the world; but such, alas, are few and far between.
– Yoshida Kenko (1283-1350), Tsurezure-Gusa (1340)
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2007-05-02, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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It was a suggesstion made by someone, I later added a justification for.
It's as valid as anything when theres so little information for the OP to look and and potentially discard at his whim
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2007-05-02, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sure, I know, but the suggestion implied that it would be good for any Oriental Style Campaign:
Tome of Battle is a very good idea for such a setting.
What I was primarily interested in was what particularly about Tome of Battle Talya thought would make it particularly suitable for an Oriental Campaign over an Occidental one. Tome of Battle is good for a Wuxia Campaign, as I agreed, but it would not fit all types of Oriental Campaigns, which was why I questioned this line of reasoning.Last edited by Matthew; 2007-05-02 at 01:57 PM.
It is a joyful thing indeed to hold intimate converse with a man after one’s own heart, chatting without reserve about things of interest or the fleeting topics of the world; but such, alas, are few and far between.
– Yoshida Kenko (1283-1350), Tsurezure-Gusa (1340)