Support the GITP forums on Patreon
Help support GITP's forums (and ongoing server maintenance) via Patreon
Page 1 of 12 1234567891011 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 345
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Heliomance's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Gender
    Female

    Default Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    A dimly-lit library. Rows of bookshelves line the walls, and as the camera slowly pans over them, we see that they are filled with gaming books. From the original brown-cover D&D manuals to the newest fifth edition supplements, we are given a brief but breathtaking history of over four decades of gaming in visual form.

    A pair of feet, clad in Converse, appear. The camera pans back to reveal the Chairwoman as she strides out into Optimization Stadium. Slowly, she looks around at the battleground. Rapidly, we are shown shots of the gaming materials here assembled: books, miniatures, maps, dice. The Chairwoman reaches down and picks up a twenty-sided die. She rolls it, then turns to the camera... and smiles.

    The camera pulls back from the smile to reveal... the Iron Gamers. Row upon row they stand, clad in the uniform of their trade: t-shirts with fantasy images, buttons with obscure quotes from novels and movies, dice bags at the ready. The shot dissolves into flames and the logo:


    Iron Gamer

    A montage of the contestants plays, with summaries of their optimization triumphs and achievements. Interspersed are brief interviews. Finally, though, the introductions are over. The contestants stand arrayed before the Chairwoman.

    Chairwoman: We unveil the ingredient!

    Tense music plays as the pedestal containing the mystery ingredient rises from below. Stacked neatly on the pedestal are copies of Magic of Faerun.

    Chairwoman: This month's theme is... Spellfire Channeler! ALLEZ OPTIMISER!


    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef LXIX. Here in Optimisation Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a full 20-level build for your entry. Also required is a rundown of how your build works at lower levels, to demonstrate that it is a functional character that could be played from 1-20 in a real game. Traditionally contestants give "snapshots" of tactics and abilities at levels 5, 10, 15, and 20, as well as a "sweet spot" of their choosing that represents what they believe to be the high point of the build. The purpose of these snapshots is not just to showcase your use of the SI, it is to demonstrate that your character is playable at every level. For this reason, it's still worth giving a snapshot before you have entered the SI.

    Menu: The "special ingredient" can be drawn from any legal source. Originally, the plan was to mostly use Core and Completes, but that was a long time ago, and we've started running out of interesting classes to use if we restrict ourselves to those.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. Please refrain from using Taint unless it's necessary for the Secret Ingredient.
    NB: Official Errata and 3.5 updates to 3.0 content are considered valid regardless of whether their sources would otherwise be legal. This includes the 3.5 update of Oriental Adventures given in Dragon Magazine, and the 3.5 updates of Dragonlance Campaign Setting content given in later third party Dragonlance books.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 09:59 GMT on Sunday, September 20th, 2015 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairwoman, Heliomance. Please put the name of your build in the subject line of your PM. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 09:59 GMT on Sunday, October 4th, 2015 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is considered in poor taste, and judges are asked to take a dim view of this option, taking it into account while grading. Other things that will cause penalties here are excessive multi-classing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points.Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may result in a penalty to Elegance at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not. In that same vein, drawing solely from the Core 3 (and the d20 SRD) should not be punished for lacking Originality.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
    Spoiler
    Show
    NAME OF ENTRY
    Level Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features
    1st New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    2nd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    3rd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    4th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    5th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    6th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    7th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    8th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    9th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    10th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    11th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    12th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    13th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    14th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    15th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    16th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    17th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    18th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    19th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    20th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities

    Code immediately below (spoiler).
    Spoiler
    Show
    [table="class: head alt1 alt2"]
    [tr]
    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Class[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Base Attack Bonus[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Fort Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Ref Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Will Save[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Skills[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Feats[/B][/th]
    [th][B]Class Features[/B][/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]2nd[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]3rd[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]4th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]5th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]6th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]7th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]8th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]9th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]10th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]11th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]12th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]13th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]14th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]15th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]16th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]17th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]18th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]19th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
    Spoiler
    Show
    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
    1st - - - - - - - - - -
    2nd - - - - - - - - - -
    3rd - - - - - - - - - -
    4th - - - - - - - - - -
    5th - - - - - - - - - -
    6th - - - - - - - - - -
    7th - - - - - - - - - -
    8th - - - - - - - - - -
    9th - - - - - - - - - -
    10th - - - - - - - - - -
    11th - - - - - - - - - -
    12th - - - - - - - - - -
    13th - - - - - - - - - -
    14th - - - - - - - - - -
    15th - - - - - - - - - -
    16th - - - - - - - - - -
    17th - - - - - - - - - -
    18th - - - - - - - - - -
    19th - - - - - - - - - -
    20th - - - - - - - - - -
    Code immediately below (spoiler)
    Spoiler
    Show
    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
    [table="class:head alt1 alt2"]
    [tr]
    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
    [th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]
    [th][B]1st[/B][/th]
    [th][B]2nd[/B][/th]
    [th][B]3rd[/B][/th]
    [th][B]4th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]5th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]6th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]7th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]8th[/B][/th]
    [th][B]9th[/B][/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]2nd[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]3rd[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]4th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]5th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]6th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]7th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]8th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]9th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]10th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]11th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]12th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]13th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]14th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]15th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]16th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]17th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]18th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]19th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honourable mention. The honourable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honourable mention via PM. If there are no votes, Honourable Mention will go to the chairwoman's favourite build.

    The Builds

    Past Competitions

    Spoiler: The First Fifty
    Show
    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
    Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
    Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
    Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
    Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
    Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
    Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
    Iron Chef XL: Nightsong Infiltrator
    Iron Chef XLI: Geomancer
    Iron Chef XLII: Shadowblade
    Iron Chef XLIII: Bladesinger
    Iron Chef XLIV: Urban Soul
    Iron Chef XLV: Talon of Tiamat
    Iron Chef XLVI: Cipher Adept
    Iron Chef XLVII: Cold Iron Warrior
    Iron Chef XLVIII: Shadow Sun Ninja
    Iron Chef XLIX: Thrall to Orcus
    Iron Chef L: Corrupt Avenger

    Iron Chef LI: Black Flame Zealot
    Iron Chef LII: Anointed Knight
    Iron Chef LIII: Zerth Cenobite
    Iron Chef LIV: Osteomancer
    Iron Chef LV: Mountebank
    Iron Chef LVI: Dwarven Defender
    Iron Chef LVII: Darkrunner
    Iron Chef LVIII: Spellsword
    Iron Chef LIX: Fleet Runner of Ehlonna
    Iron Chef LX: Lasher
    Iron Chef LX(II): Acolyte of the Ego
    Iron Chef LXII: Dungeon Lord
    Iron Cheff LXIII: Witchborn Binder
    Iron Chef LXIV: Slime Lord
    Iron Chef LXV: Thunder Guide
    Iron Chef LXVI: Dwarven Chanter
    Irogn Chef LXVII: Gnome Giant Slayer
    Iron Chef LXIX: Fang of Lolth
    Iron Chef LXIX: Shiba Protector
    Iron Chef LXX: Order of the Bow Initiate
    Iron Chef LXXI: Silver Key
    Last edited by Heliomance; 2015-09-04 at 03:07 AM.
    Quotebox
    Spoiler
    Show
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalirren View Post
    The only person in the past two pages who has known what (s)he has been talking about is Heliomance.
    Quote Originally Posted by golentan View Post
    I just don't want to have long romantic conversations or any sort of drama with my computer, okay? It knows what kind of porn I watch. I don't want to mess that up by allowing it to judge any of my choices in romance.

    Avatar by Rain Dragon

    Wish building characters for D&D 3.5 was simpler? Try HeroForge Anew! An Excel-based, highly automated character builder. v7.4 now out!

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Heliomance's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Gender
    Female

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    FAQ:
    Q: What's this even about?
    A: I'm glad you asked, actually...

    Q: Is Dragon Compendium Allowed?
    A: Yes (as well as its Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    Q: What about 3.0 materials?
    A: 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Q: Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources?
    A: The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    Q: What about online sources in general?
    A: If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Q: Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. In a similar vein, LA buyoff and fractional BAB are also disallowed. Bloodlines and the Retraining options presented in the PHB2 are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    Q: What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean?
    A: As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Heliomance is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    Q: What's the minimum score in a category?
    A: Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is mechanically illegal by the RAW, the judge may give the build a score of 0 in Elegance, and proceed to judge the entry as if the offending material was not included. Failing to meet a special requirement for a prestige class does not merit a 0, but may qualify for a penalty, at the judge's discretion. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.

    Q: Creatures and templates with no listed LA are playable, right?
    A: No. No listed LA is equivalent to LA: -. It is not suitable for PCs. If you use it, expect judges to look extremely disfavourably on it.

    Q: So what's the deal with equipment, anyway?
    A: There is no official policy on how much equipment you should list. Historically, judges have frowned upon "item dependent" builds, but unfortunately the definition of that has been applied to mean anything from builds that don't function if you remove one very specific item, to builds that so much as mention a particular weapon. Builds that don't list gear should be assumed to buy useful generics - items to boost their primary stats, cloaks of resistance, appropriate magical weapons and armour, and so forth. If a build would find particular items useful, they should be listed, but experience suggests that the more generic you keep them, the more favourably judges are likely to look upon them, as a build being shut down because the Thundering Bagpipes of Urist McTrumpetbritches were unavailable is considered a weakness. Similarly, requiring items in order to be able to qualify for things tends to be frowned upon.
    Quotebox
    Spoiler
    Show
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalirren View Post
    The only person in the past two pages who has known what (s)he has been talking about is Heliomance.
    Quote Originally Posted by golentan View Post
    I just don't want to have long romantic conversations or any sort of drama with my computer, okay? It knows what kind of porn I watch. I don't want to mess that up by allowing it to judge any of my choices in romance.

    Avatar by Rain Dragon

    Wish building characters for D&D 3.5 was simpler? Try HeroForge Anew! An Excel-based, highly automated character builder. v7.4 now out!

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Secret Lair on Sol c
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Going to be interesting, already think i have a build idea

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Secret Lair on Sol c
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Dish is ready for writing down, and i'm fairly certain that I have another good one up my sleeve afterwards

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Thurbane's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Terra Australis
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Is that two campaign specific PrCs in a row, or did I miss one?

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Kesnit's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Eastern US
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    I love this PrC. Judging.
    Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

    Proud member of the "I Love Anyway" Club

    Thank you, Ceika, so much for the avatar!

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    dysprosium's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    the periodic table
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Really?

    I always liked Spellfire Channeler. I think spellfire in general is a really neat concept.

    However the mechanics are poorly worded in its appearance of one of the early Forgotten Realms splatbooks and was never properly transitioned into 3.5.

    Because of that I predict this will be one of the most contested rounds ever.

    That being said, I totally have an idea that I can make work. Demon Real Life I banish you!

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Banned
     
    Devil

    Join Date
    Nov 2012

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Another poor Special Ingredient, but possibly salvageable. How many more of these are we going to have until we get to an interesting SI that isn't flat out useless?

    I used to enjoy this competition, but this raft of terrible ingredients is ruining the competition for me. You don't see the Iron Chef/Masterchef guys being presented with cardboard and being told to make a meal out of it. The special ingredient is something unusual and not typically seen or used; often due to mainstream or better options.

    But they still don't get terrible ingredients. And it feels as if the 'competition' is losing touch with how it used to ne. After all, we don't go from 20 odd submitted builds to 4 for no reason.

    I propose a change this round that we get a shortlist of 3 potential SI's when it comes to changing, introduced 2 days before close of judging, where people can vote for the next class in thread. Those who judge have their vote worth twice, as an incentive for people who dislike the current round to still get involved positively and have some say in the direction of which this community hobby takes, rather than a one person pseudo-quasi dictatorship.

    As an aside, this isn't an invitation for people who are happy with the class to tell me or others who feel this same way to like it or lump it; you know you are. Your attitude is neither welcome or friendly. There have been previous recent criticisms of the chairperson, however rightly or wrongly you believe they are or were, and considering this is a community thing, well I see no reason as to why the community can't decide, especially after it seems to work so well in the 'Build me a baddy' threads.

    In regards to the class at hand;

    Is this functioning as a 3rd ed Rod of Spell Absorbtion or a 3.5th, where you no longer have to ready an action?

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Firbolg in the Playground
     
    NecromancerGuy

    Join Date
    Dec 2006

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    What. . . fascinating. . . observations.

    Time permitting, I'll compete.
    Iron Chef in the Playground veteran since Round IV. Play as me!


    Spoiler
    Show

  10. - Top - End - #10
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Venger's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    I like the into. Very Funny

    This ingredient is a real culinary curveball. Down to cook

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Is that two campaign specific PrCs in a row, or did I miss one?
    You missed nothing. Last round was silver key from eberron

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaz View Post
    Another poor Special Ingredient, but possibly salvageable. How many more of these are we going to have until we get to an interesting SI that isn't flat out useless?

    I used to enjoy this competition, but this raft of terrible ingredients is ruining the competition for me. You don't see the Iron Chef/Masterchef guys being presented with cardboard and being told to make a meal out of it. The special ingredient is something unusual and not typically seen or used; often due to mainstream or better options.

    But they still don't get terrible ingredients. And it feels as if the 'competition' is losing touch with how it used to ne. After all, we don't go from 20 odd submitted builds to 4 for no reason.

    I propose a change this round that we get a shortlist of 3 potential SI's when it comes to changing, introduced 2 days before close of judging, where people can vote for the next class in thread. Those who judge have their vote worth twice, as an incentive for people who dislike the current round to still get involved positively and have some say in the direction of which this community hobby takes, rather than a one person pseudo-quasi dictatorship.

    As an aside, this isn't an invitation for people who are happy with the class to tell me or others who feel this same way to like it or lump it; you know you are. Your attitude is neither welcome or friendly. There have been previous recent criticisms of the chairperson, however rightly or wrongly you believe they are or were, and considering this is a community thing, well I see no reason as to why the community can't decide, especially after it seems to work so well in the 'Build me a baddy' threads.

    In regards to the class at hand;

    Is this functioning as a 3rd ed Rod of Spell Absorbtion or a 3.5th, where you no longer have to ready an action?
    So you telling Heliomance how to run the contest is okay but someone telling you that if you don't like the game you don't have to play isn't?

    You're confused over whose attitude is unwelcome and unfriendly

    The only people who've been personally attacking the chair are you and samduke. In case you've forgotten no one else is on your side.

    How to run iron chef has always been up to the chair because it's a volunteer positIon that takes a lot of work. If Heliomance wants to pick spellfire channeler then that's what we'll cook. If you don't like it you don't have to cook.

    You've said some variatIon of this tirade almost every round for the last few times and it's getting old. Iron chef is not decided communally and is under no obligation to be run the way you want. If that's something you're interested in start your own contest with those rules like avatarvecna did.

    Or since you seem to approve how he runs his villain contest why don't you go compete in that instead since you hate iron chef so much? I cooked in It last month And it was great. I highly recommend it.

    Good question about readied actions I was gonna ask the same thing
    Last edited by Venger; 2015-09-04 at 08:02 AM.

  11. - Top - End - #11
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    dysprosium's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    the periodic table
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Confession time -- I wrote a build for myself that used Spellfire Channeler in it (but didn't use too much of it).

    That build works on its own but if I was going to focus more on the Spellfire Channeler part of it I need to separate it into two different kinds of builds. The original idea kinda mashed the parts together.

    Translation of my rambling: Basically now I have two builds to work on.

    Does this mean I have to cast the Banish Demon Real Life spell twice?

  12. - Top - End - #12
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Venger's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by dysprosium View Post
    Confession time -- I wrote a build for myself that used Spellfire Channeler in it (but didn't use too much of it).

    That build works on its own but if I was going to focus more on the Spellfire Channeler part of it I need to separate it into two different kinds of builds. The original idea kinda mashed the parts together.

    Translation of my rambling: Basically now I have two builds to work on.

    Does this mean I have to cast the Banish Demon Real Life spell twice?
    Just use repeat spell.

    I don't envy you. I'll barely be able to come up with one.
    fight my brute! it's a lot of fun
    Quote Originally Posted by weckar View Post
    Venger, can you be my full-time memory aid please?
    Iron Chef Medals!
    Amazing Princess Mononoke avatar by Dispozition
    Iron Chef Deep Freeze: Turning Tables on Old Dishes

  13. - Top - End - #13
    Banned
     
    Devil

    Join Date
    Nov 2012

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    'attacked' is a strong word for criticism over someones choices in a competition that I participated in near religiously for over a year before taking time away from work. Since i've 'come back', there has been very little motivation for me to join as a result of the classes chosen. Hence I have asked for better ingredients, and now proposed an idea for how a community competition can be better run, to the extent that participation can double and get back to the levels it used be when the ingredients (and hence, entries) were of a better quality. I say that as a potential entrant, who gave up because therw just wasn't anything worthwhile doing with the class. The one cool mechanic I saw was the combination of rogue acfs and disablung weapons at range.

    We are now being presented with a class whose ability is tied purely to their Con score, unsupported elsewhere in the game, with a flat non scaling DC. No Caster of BAB progression with D4 HD with a mechanic that relies somewhat on throwing away charges of useful materials like wands etc, in return for a Ray of damage, that is doing roughly 12d6 damage at ECL 20. (at a maximum range that won't come into effect in most games). The entirety of any UoSI will result in 'get charges, shoot spellfire, repeat until empty'. That ingredient is what matters.

    In other words, I'm sorry to have struck a nerve. You are the most vocal opponent to this in optimizing good imgredients to and ingredients, and now I have come up with a potential solution to what I see as a problem of haemoraging contributors at some point.

    In regards to 'on my side', you seem to be getting way to tribal. I have no problem with Heliomance as (what little I know of) a person or chairman, with the exception of choice of classes.

    Considering that the choice of class is the reason behind getting into the competition, that choosing classes which aren't just hard, but downright impossible to optimize (to the extent that every class in the last one failed abysmally to make any real use of the SI). See above for a 12d6 Dc20 reflex save at ECL20 and how you can optimize that. I will be watching and trying.

    I don't think we will be seeing a Gazebo Jones or Old Lob with ingredients like this, which is a shame. It is basically just pure damage, and being told to optimize it like you can optimize Acid splash, only without the support that spells get.

    In regards to joining in with the other competition, I possible will do, pending that I lile the ingredient and can afford the time. The same applies here.

    This offer of a solution has no downsides that I can foresee, with the exception that all 3 classes are simultaneously poor. In which case, I won't be complaining, because i'll have had 3 choices to choose from. If after 3 choices and a commumity vote, I still don't like the class, then I won't compete and depending on other constraints, maybe not judge. Meanwhile, people have a greater reason to judge if they don't like the class, and can make an attempt at influencing the next vote in a manner more akin to their tastes.

    Your problem with that is... What? That it is a new way of doing things?

  14. - Top - End - #14
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Venger's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaz
    Hence I have asked for better ingredients, and now proposed an idea for how a community competition can be better run, to the extent that participation can double and get back to the levels it used be when the ingredients (and hence, entries) were of a better quality. I say that as a potential entrant, who gave up because therw just wasn't anything worthwhile doing with the class. The one cool mechanic I saw was the combination of rogue acfs and disablung weapons at range.
    Well that's a natural consequence of doing so many of these we're going to use up more of the good ones as time wears on



    We are now being presented with a class whose ability is tied purely to their Con score, unsupported elsewhere in the game, with a flat non scaling DC. No Caster of BAB progression with D4 HD with a mechanic that relies somewhat on throwing away charges of useful materials like wands etc, in return for a Ray of damage, that is doing roughly 12d6 damage at ECL 20. (at a maximum range that won't come into effect in most games). The entirety of any UoSI will result in 'get charges, shoot spellfire, repeat until empty'. That ingredient is what matters.
    Sorry you don't like the ingredient. No one's forcing you to cook with it

    In other words, I'm sorry to have struck a nerve. You are the most vocal opponent to this in optimizing good imgredients to and ingredients, and now I have come up with a potential solution to what I see as a problem of haemoraging contributors at some point.
    I accept your apology. Thanks.

    I don't understand your next sentence that well I feel like there might be a word missing or something. I'm the most vocal opponent to ingredients? Could you please explain what you mean?

    In regards to 'on my side', you seem to be getting way to tribal. I have no problem with Heliomance as (what little I know of) a person or chairman, with the exception of choice of classes.
    What I mean by side is you are the only one who has a problem with the way the contest is run so it doesn't make sense to change it just for you.

    I don't think we will be seeing a Gazebo Jones or Old Lob with ingredients like this, which is a shame. It is basically just pure damage, and being told to optimize it like you can optimize Acid splash, only without the support that spells get.
    This is where I feel we're talking past one another.

    Everything you are saying is factually true so of course I agree with it.

    If the chair Follows through on her threat to give us shining blade I will probably not cook because I don't believe two plus one weapon properties are something I can really showcase.

    What I won't do is complain that the way the si is chosen is flawed and we should do it in some way of my invention instead.

    This contest is the chairs and they can pick whatever ingredients they want just as you or I can choose not to cook

    in regards to joining in with the other competition, I possible will do, pending that I lile the ingredient and can afford the time. The same applies here.
    Then I wish you the best of luck in whatever contest you choose to participate in. Avatarvecna is still taking requests for villains so go ahead and exercise your right to vote for the one you like.

    This offer of a solution has no downsides that I can foresee, with the exception that all 3 classes are simultaneously poor. In which case, I won't be complaining, because i'll have had 3 choices to choose from. If after 3 choices and a commumity vote, I still don't like the class, then I won't compete and depending on other constraints, maybe not judge. Meanwhile, people have a greater reason to judge if they don't like the class, and can make an attempt at influencing the next vote in a manner more akin to their tastes.
    The down side is that no one else wants this since we are satisfied with the way things are done.

    More importantly Heliomance asks us for input about dishes all the time. We just got finished taking about sky guard (I think you participated?) And she listened to by not giving it to us next.

    Us having a bunch of choices like you laid out in your post already has happened but you're still complaining. That's fine it just doesn't mean everything about the contest is going to change

    Your problem with that is... What? That it is a new way of doing things?
    My problem is that you think we're all obligated to cater to you when you're the only one who wants your proposed changes.
    Last edited by Venger; 2015-09-04 at 09:49 AM.

  15. - Top - End - #15
    Troll in the Playground
     
    The Viscount's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2012

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Loving the intro. Not...loving the class. This will be a difficult one. I can't remember the last time I saw a class that punished you so harshly for using its own class features. Are we using the errata for this class, most notably that firing multiple spellfire blasts is a full-round action?
    Kolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
    Quote Originally Posted by willpell View Post
    Only playing Tier 1s is like only eating in five-star restaurants [...] sometimes I just want a cheeseburger and some frogurt. Why limit yourself?
    Awards

  16. - Top - End - #16
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Kesnit's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Eastern US
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaz View Post
    'attacked' is a strong word for criticism over someones choices in a competition that I participated in near religiously for over a year before taking time away from work. Since i've 'come back', there has been very little motivation for me to join as a result of the classes chosen.
    And..? I pop in an out of the competition, depending on the SI. If I like it, I judge. If I don't, I walk away from the thread until the next round is posted. It's that easy. No one is forcing you to participate every round.

    Hence I have asked for better ingredients,
    "Better" is subjective. As I said above, I like this SI. I always have, and actually wanted to make one for a game. (I couldn't because the DM bans all the Faerun books.) And as Venger said, we're running out of PrC's. This is round 72. There's only so many PrCs to choose from, especially when actually good classes are excluded.

    I say that as a potential entrant, who gave up because therw just wasn't anything worthwhile doing with the class.
    So you don't participate in this round. Read the thread. Read the entries. Judge if you want.

    The one cool mechanic I saw was the combination of rogue acfs and disablung weapons at range.
    So why not use that?

    We are now being presented with a class whose ability is tied purely to their Con score, unsupported elsewhere in the game, with a flat non scaling DC. No Caster of BAB progression with D4 HD with a mechanic that relies somewhat on throwing away charges of useful materials like wands etc, in return for a Ray of damage, that is doing roughly 12d6 damage at ECL 20. (at a maximum range that won't come into effect in most games). The entirety of any UoSI will result in 'get charges, shoot spellfire, repeat until empty'. That ingredient is what matters.
    This SI is, IMO, what IC should be - obscure, poorly supported, and does not benefit from book diving. Making ANYTHING of it requires creativity.

    I don't think we will be seeing a Gazebo Jones or Old Lob with ingredients like this, which is a shame.
    You assume as much, but have no idea what people will come up with.

    It is basically just pure damage, and being told to optimize it like you can optimize Acid splash, only without the support that spells get.
    Sounds like an awesome challenge to people who pride themselves on the ability to optimize.
    Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

    Proud member of the "I Love Anyway" Club

    Thank you, Ceika, so much for the avatar!

  17. - Top - End - #17
    Titan in the Playground
     
    AssassinGuy

    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Sunnydale

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by The Viscount View Post
    Are we using the errata for this class, most notably that firing multiple spellfire blasts is a full-round action?
    Were you planning to dance a jig to taunt your enemies using your move action? I could see how that change would spoil your build.

  18. - Top - End - #18
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    PirateWench

    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Gender
    Male2Female

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    I have an idea for this, maybe, conceivably, possibly?
    Iron Chef in the Playground LXVI - Honorable Mention : Azalin Stonecutter

    Iron Chef Home Cooking in the Playground II - Second Place : Takenaka Kenshin

  19. - Top - End - #19
    Firbolg in the Playground
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Oh dear. This really seems like it's going to be a mess to judge. I can see it being somewhat entertaining in the context of a real game (not a high-powered real game by any stretch, of course, but still), but I can't see it fitting nicely into the Iron Chef paradigm, simply because of how everything is handled.

    I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping that I'd get a chance to compete, since I've got a three-day weekend coming up, but I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that will actually be effective without making a whole lot of assumptions that judges really aren't going to like. (Okay, I do have one idea, but it's a pretty damn sketchy rules interpretation, and I'm not sure if it would actually even work.)

    Am I correct in reading that the capstone damages you as well? It doesn't look like there's any way to avoid that, and it doesn't say you're immune to it.

    Regarding the rule about readying actions to absorb spell levels, it seems clear to me that you still have to ready the action, even though 3.5 Rods of Absorption don't require readied actions. It doesn't say "like a Rod of Absorption, a spellfire user may ready an action to absorb magic." Look at the two parts to the sentence. What can you do? You can ready an action. What happens when you ready an action? You absorb magic like a Rod of Absorption. A real (modern) Rod of Absorption doesn't require the readied action, but it's only when you ready an action that you get to act like a Rod of Absorption. At least, that's how I interpret the RAW. (If that's not the case, of course, then that feat becomes a hell of a lot more powerful. You can't be easily buffed, but you can basically just ignore a lot of spells, no action required.)

    I'll have to think about this one. I can't see an elegant way of using it in an abstract build that doesn't know anything about specific allies, specific resources, and specific challenges. I've been inspired with weirder ingredients before, I suppose, but right now I'm drawing a blank.
    In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Roc View Post
    Gentlefolk, learn from Zaq's example, and his suffering. Remember, seven out of eleven players who use truenamer lose their ability to taste ice cream.
    Come join the Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground E6 Appetizer Edition! We're currently judging for round 26. Everyone is welcome!

    My compiled Iron Chef stuff!

    Queer pride isn't limited to one month!

  20. - Top - End - #20
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Heliomance's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Gender
    Female

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaz View Post
    Another poor Special Ingredient, but possibly salvageable. How many more of these are we going to have until we get to an interesting SI that isn't flat out useless?

    I used to enjoy this competition, but this raft of terrible ingredients is ruining the competition for me. You don't see the Iron Chef/Masterchef guys being presented with cardboard and being told to make a meal out of it. The special ingredient is something unusual and not typically seen or used; often due to mainstream or better options.
    I actually selected this one because I thought the abilities did look quirky and interesting. I've taken on board the feedback I've been getting, and changed choices around in response.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaz View Post
    But they still don't get terrible ingredients. And it feels as if the 'competition' is losing touch with how it used to ne. After all, we don't go from 20 odd submitted builds to 4 for no reason.
    Order of the Bow Initiate, two rounds ago, had 16 entries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaz View Post
    I propose a change this round that we get a shortlist of 3 potential SI's when it comes to changing, introduced 2 days before close of judging, where people can vote for the next class in thread. Those who judge have their vote worth twice, as an incentive for people who dislike the current round to still get involved positively and have some say in the direction of which this community hobby takes, rather than a one person pseudo-quasi dictatorship.
    I wouldn't actually be entirely opposed to this idea. It would give away what I was planning for later rounds, though, which is sad...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaz View Post
    I don't think we will be seeing a Gazebo Jones or Old Lob with ingredients like this, which is a shame. It is basically just pure damage, and being told to optimize it like you can optimize Acid splash, only without the support that spells get.
    Old Lob came out of Stonelord. Stonelord is a godawful class that I chose when I was feeling evil, in the full expectation that nobody would be able to do anything with it. And yet, Old Lob is one of the best remembered and best loved Iron Chef entries ever.

    I don't have time to address rules queries now, I'll get to that later.
    Quotebox
    Spoiler
    Show
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalirren View Post
    The only person in the past two pages who has known what (s)he has been talking about is Heliomance.
    Quote Originally Posted by golentan View Post
    I just don't want to have long romantic conversations or any sort of drama with my computer, okay? It knows what kind of porn I watch. I don't want to mess that up by allowing it to judge any of my choices in romance.

    Avatar by Rain Dragon

    Wish building characters for D&D 3.5 was simpler? Try HeroForge Anew! An Excel-based, highly automated character builder. v7.4 now out!

  21. - Top - End - #21
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    PirateWench

    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Gender
    Female

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    The only people who've been personally attacking the chair are you and samduke. In case you've forgotten no one else is on your side
    I would choose better words, if I were you.

    reported for flaming
    Last edited by samduke; 2015-09-04 at 01:24 PM.

  22. - Top - End - #22
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Venger's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    I actually selected this one because I thought the abilities did look quirky and interesting. I've taken on board the feedback I've been getting, and changed choices around in response.

    Order of the Bow Initiate, two rounds ago, had 16 entries.

    I wouldn't actually be entirely opposed to this idea. It would give away what I was planning for later rounds, though, which is sad...

    Old Lob came out of Stonelord. Stonelord is a godawful class that I chose when I was feeling evil, in the full expectation that nobody would be able to do anything with it. And yet, Old Lob is one of the best remembered and best loved Iron Chef entries ever.

    I don't have time to address rules queries now, I'll get to that later.
    Personally I enjoy being surprised by reveals as well.

    Great. It'd be nice if your capstone could be used without immolating yourself

    Quote Originally Posted by samduke View Post
    I would choose better words, if I were you.

    reported for flaming
    So your response is to publicly threaten me? Ok.
    fight my brute! it's a lot of fun
    Quote Originally Posted by weckar View Post
    Venger, can you be my full-time memory aid please?
    Iron Chef Medals!
    Amazing Princess Mononoke avatar by Dispozition
    Iron Chef Deep Freeze: Turning Tables on Old Dishes

  23. - Top - End - #23
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    PirateWench

    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Gender
    Male2Female

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    O.o uh can we get back to the usual complaining about how awful the SI is and joking around about impossible builds etc?
    Iron Chef in the Playground LXVI - Honorable Mention : Azalin Stonecutter

    Iron Chef Home Cooking in the Playground II - Second Place : Takenaka Kenshin

  24. - Top - End - #24
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Venger's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    There is one obvious way in my mind to make use of the si. I am fearful to use it because I think everyone else will come to the same conclusion.

    This class reminds me vaguely of forsaker in that it thinks the best thing you can do with magic items is something other than just use them like a normal person
    fight my brute! it's a lot of fun
    Quote Originally Posted by weckar View Post
    Venger, can you be my full-time memory aid please?
    Iron Chef Medals!
    Amazing Princess Mononoke avatar by Dispozition
    Iron Chef Deep Freeze: Turning Tables on Old Dishes

  25. - Top - End - #25
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Kesnit's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Eastern US
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    There is one obvious way in my mind to make use of the si. I am fearful to use it because I think everyone else will come to the same conclusion.
    In just about every round, someone says "I had an idea for a build, but I didn't make it because I thought someone else would. Wish now I had."
    Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

    Proud member of the "I Love Anyway" Club

    Thank you, Ceika, so much for the avatar!

  26. - Top - End - #26
    Pixie in the Playground
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Norway
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Just curious, the rapid blast ability of the SI:
    If you make 2 attacks, will you have to split up the use of energy between the 2 attacks effectively making you do the same damage, except you now make 2 attack rolls and can target 2 creatures I suppose? That's the way it seemed to me when I read through it the first time at least which makes it seem fairly useless, though I might be misreading it.

  27. - Top - End - #27
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Secret Lair on Sol c
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    There is one obvious way in my mind to make use of the si. I am fearful to use it because I think everyone else will come to the same conclusion.

    This class reminds me vaguely of forsaker in that it thinks the best thing you can do with magic items is something other than just use them like a normal person
    only one obvious? ... i havn't had much time but i've already at three ideas and counting, two of them feeling rather obvious.

  28. - Top - End - #28
    Pixie in the Playground
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Norway
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Also, another question, can you absorb your own spells for charges if you target yourself?

  29. - Top - End - #29
    Troll in the Playground
     
    RogueGuy

    Join Date
    Aug 2014

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by Kesnit View Post
    In just about every round, someone says "I had an idea for a build, but I didn't make it because I thought someone else would. Wish now I had."
    Yeah. I kept that in mind last round. Whoa and behold I basically made the same EXACT build save for a few feats, as another chef. Imagine if whomever cooked up Ina had found the support from city of stormreach...

  30. - Top - End - #30
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Venger's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXII

    Quote Originally Posted by bogsnes View Post
    Just curious, the rapid blast ability of the SI:
    If you make 2 attacks, will you have to split up the use of energy between the 2 attacks effectively making you do the same damage, except you now make 2 attack rolls and can target 2 creatures I suppose? That's the way it seemed to me when I read through it the first time at least which makes it seem fairly useless, though I might be misreading it.
    heliomance said she'd address this and other weirdness stemming from the SI. there are a number of oddities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sian View Post
    only one obvious? ... i havn't had much time but i've already at three ideas and counting, two of them feeling rather obvious.
    wow you've found two others? good for you, I wish you well.

    Quote Originally Posted by bogsnes View Post
    Also, another question, can you absorb your own spells for charges if you target yourself?
    you can, but good luck with that since the class doesn't advance spellcasting.
    fight my brute! it's a lot of fun
    Quote Originally Posted by weckar View Post
    Venger, can you be my full-time memory aid please?
    Iron Chef Medals!
    Amazing Princess Mononoke avatar by Dispozition
    Iron Chef Deep Freeze: Turning Tables on Old Dishes

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •