Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC

[Gwynfrid]

You know what, we'll see how it goes when we get there. It's a long way away... After all, we aren't close to the end of the first book, and this thread will celebrate its 1st birthday tomorrow

[DarkOne-Rob]

I have had a discussion with FarmerBink about Fiilburn morphing into a different build that would better fit his trait (Riftwarden Orphan). The idea would be to become a Black-Blade Arcanist/Eldritch Knight, still fulfilling the role of magically-endowed swordsman, but doing it in a different way that might allow some significant retraining and reworking of Filburn into a PC that better fits that idea. If no one else is likely to be upset by such an action, I might go ahead and do that during a period of significant down-time and do what I can to make the build work out better for that trait's fluff.

Does anyone have any issues with such a shift?

[Gwynfrid]

Do you mean a Blade Adept Arcanist?

I wouldn't object, except on one count: This looks quite a lot like a magus, or at least someone occupying the same niche as Morevek. I'm not sure how much of an issue this could become.

[Farmerbink]

If I'm being perfectly frank, as mentioned above, I'm concerned about finding a niche for Filburn along those lines that doesn't step on too many toes between Morevek, Aurora, and Elrembriel. Honestly, I don't see much room in there, but I'm certainly open to suggestions if there's something I'm missing.

[Gwynfrid]

Arcanist / Eldritch Knight would always be one whole spell level behind a full wizard, so I don't think he would step on Elrembriel's domain much. Anyway, you can never have too many spells

But the main concern is for Morevek, as far as I can see.

[DarkOne-Rob]

Filburn already uses magic to buff himself in combat, and the real "schticks" of the Magus is delivering spells with their weapons and attacking in the same round as they cast spells, IMO. A Blade Adept Arcanist (using a Black Blade) does not really do those same things. Instead, they are gishes in the more traditional sense - buffs and the occasional spell thrown at the enemy. In this respect Filburn would keep doing what he has always done - cast self-buffs and attack the enemy.

If people don't like the idea of such a transition, I won't push the issue. I present it as a way to better tie the mechanics to the fluff of Filburn's campaign trait.

[Gwynfrid]

I see - the black blade is from a magus archetype, but obtained through an arcanist archetype. A bit confusing.

Where I'm less sure is how the Eldritch Knight plays here. Wouldn't that stop your black blade progression?

[DarkOne-Rob]

There is an Arcanist exploit unique to the Blade Adept archetype that advances the Black Blade based on the PC's caster level. Filburn would be taking that exploit before going into Eldritch Knight.

[Gwynfrid]

I see. An interesting build. No objections from me.

[Untarr]

I'm taking the light steel shield.

Getting it changed to a quickdraw shield.

[Untarr]

Ok,

I'd like to trade in the Defending Warhammer, splitting the funds amongst the party. Also, no one will be using the Ranseur so we should trade that as well. Any other art or fluff item should also get sold so that we can buy stuff. I'm also going to give up the banded mail and current quick draw shield (to be sold)

Aurora is going to order a set of masterwork full plate and modify the +1 light shield we found to be a quick draw. If she doesn't have enough, she'll borrow some from Elembriel (worked out in google hangouts) in order to cover the difference.

[MuffinMan]

Speaking of loot, I'll remind everyone that Waylan can have Masterwork Transformation prepped in a day to upgrade things to masterwork at-cost.

Besides upgrading his own buckler, he's not buying much right now except some fancy arrows, so he can also front someone cash for a major purchase.

[JWallyR]

Due to Morevek's equipment restrictions, there's really only 2 classes of weapons of which I'm aware that benefit him. One is weapons, and the other is magic items that aren't armor. The weapon thing I'm going to work out (since after conversation with DM it seems reasonable to tweak Morevek's choice of weapon, short version: not crit fishing due to very few spells per day vs. a "vanilla" magus) and decide something, but other than that... depends on what sort of magic items are likely to be available.

[Untarr]

So, I've gone through and deleted all the claimed items and left only the items from the table that we are selling. I don't think we're gonna get full value on that defending warhammer based on a conversation with John about a month ago when we first got it. I am including it as is though for now until we get a full ruling on that.

Item	Quantity	Value(unit)	Proceeds	Identified?	Found	Owner
Defending Warhammer +1	1	8312		y	Dwarf Cave	Aurora
Banded mail	1	250		y	Blackwing	?
Alchemist fire	3	20		y	Cultists	?
Breastplate	5	200		y	Cultists	?
Longsword	5	15		y	Cultists	?
Heavy crossbow, 20 bolts	6	2+ 100		y	Cultists	?
Masterwork breastplate	1	350		y	Cultists	?
Masterwork longsword	1	315		y	Cultists	?
Ranseur of the Gargoyle (IC post #675)	1	2310?		y	Aneiva's and Irabeth's	?
Scroll of Death Knell	1	150		y	Hosilla	?
Potion of Invisibility	1	300		y	Hosilla	?
Alchemist's fire	2	20		y	Hosilla	?
Antitoxin	1	50		y	Hosilla	?
Masterwork dagger	1	302		y	Renegade mongrelmen	?
Gold	129	1		y	False crusaders	?
Marble statuette	1	75		y	Millorn	?
Masterwork dagger	1	302		y	Millorn	?
Platinum	8	10		y	Millorn	?
Gold	7	1		y	Millorn	?
Total		14341

That is 1434.1 gp per person.

[Farmerbink]

I was gonna put this in Hangouts, but it's worth making sure it doesn't get lost:

Horgus also gave you each 1,000 gold. Barring other sale items, that brings your effective total to 2,434g, 1s (plus whatever you started with and trait bonuses).

[DarkOne-Rob]

My first desire is to get Filburn's shield repaired. What will that take? Is it worth purchasing a new shield instead?

Then, once I have more time to devote to selecting some gear, I will work out other items Filburn would either purchase or commission.

[Gwynfrid]

Elrembriel works on spells, depending on how much time she has. In order:

Invisibility Spellcraft DC17 (1d20+11)[17] 1 hour + if successful, 2 hours to copy - success
Grease Spellcraft DC16 (1d20+11)[14] 1 hour + if successful, 1 hour to copy - failed. This stops here, after 4 hours
Silent Image Spellcraft DC16 (1d20+11)[27] 1 hour + if successful, 1 hour to copy
Resist Energy Spellcraft DC17 (1d20+11)[15] 1 hour + if successful, 2 hours to copy
Fog cloud Spellcraft DC17 (1d20+11)[30] 1 hour + if successful, 2 hours to copy
Shocking Grasp Spellcraft DC16 (1d20+11)[16] 1 hour + if successful, 1 hour to copy

... just let me know how many hours she can spend on this.

[DarkOne-Rob]

Alright, so, to conclusively clarify - does anyone care if I plan to retrain Filburn, providing we ever get enough time? If that is something that FarmerBink will support and I decide I want to accomplish, there will be some role-playing that preempts the process, and I would like to start drafting up how that will happen. JWallyR doesn't appear to mind and Gwynfrid seems unconcerned, so unless someone else says not to do this, I am going to go ahead and start figuring out how to make it all happen...

[Farmerbink]

1: Repairing the shield will cost half the cost of the shield. I don't think your shield was special, so unless you're planning to upgrade, I think it's worth the cost.

2: You all have about 4 hours of usable time that evening- assuming you don't want activities to cut into sleep and risk being fatigued the next day.

3: OOC- between me and you, there will be a significant opportunity for down-time retraining and such, at the end of this book. We're give-or-take 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way through it, in terms of actual encounters, but it will take you through the next like 3 levels. There really isn't sufficient time to explain the retraining opportunity before then.

[Gwynfrid]

I'll use the 4 hours, that's one new spell, 40 gp spent. At this rate, I'll make sure every minute of downtime is used towards copying spells. That's fine, since it works well with Elrembriel's personality and motivation. Just don't expect much of a social life.

Ready to go, with slightly changed spell list. I'll keep the cash for now, angling for another 700 gp to buy something really nice later

[MuffinMan]

Go for it, DarkOne - no objections to the eventual retraining from me.

Waylan is good to go with only a few masterwork upgrades (unless someone in Defender's Heart can bestow an Adaptive enchantment on his bow. FarmerBink?). Either way, I don't need additional time OOC, so I'm ready to continue!

[JWallyR]

1) Do what you want re: retraining Filburn.

2) Planning to write out RP with Aravashnial later, but otherwise buying a masterwork katana, fluffed through the IC RP thread. Gonna have to take a closer look at some low-level magic items to figure out if there's anything useful that's inside the budget.

3) Speaking of budget- has anybody done the math on the group's overall wealth, i.e. individual shares? I expect that Morevek's "fair share" of the currency is probably bigger than most of the rest of the party, due to their having found usable equipment, but I'm not sure how to handle that.

[Untarr]

You should have 1000gp from rich dude and 1434.1 gp from loot selloff. I'm not sure what we are going to do about loot balancing.

[Farmerbink]

I personally don't care about it at all. If you guys are upset, I can be arbiter for the dispute, but I'd rather you guys work that out without me.

[Farmerbink]

Sorry I forgot to address Aurora's detect evil. I'm not 100% sure she's close enough, but the ability doesn't reveal anything.

[Gwynfrid]

3) Speaking of budget- has anybody done the math on the group's overall wealth, i.e. individual shares? I expect that Morevek's "fair share" of the currency is probably bigger than most of the rest of the party, due to their having found usable equipment, but I'm not sure how to handle that.

This is the table with completed item value:

Item	Quantity	Value(unit)	Proceeds	Identified?	Found	Owner
Defending Warhammer +1	1	8312	4156	y	Blackwing	sell
Pearl of Power level 1	1	1000	0	y	Blackwing	Waylan
Pearl of Power level 1	1	1000	0	y	Blackwing	Elrembriel
Spellbook (alarm, alter self, cat's grace, dismissal, dispel magic, magic circle against chaos, resist energy, spider climb, versatile weapon)	1		0	y	Blackwing	Elrembriel
Scroll of Dimensional Lock	1	3000	0	n	Blackwing	Elrembriel
Scroll of Invisibility	1	150	0	y	Blackwing	Elrembriel
Potions - Cure Moderate Wounds	2	150	0	y	Blackwing	Elrembriel
Composite Longbow +1 (+1 Str)	1	2500	0	y	Blackwing	Waylan
Banded mail	1	250	125	y	Blackwing	sell
Falcata +1	1	2318	0	y	Blackwing	Filburn
Light steel shield +1	1	1159	0	y	Blackwing	Aurora
Alchemist's fire	1	20	0	y	Cultists	Elrembriel
Alchemist's fire	2	20	0	y	Cultists	Waylan
Alchemist's fire	3	20	30	y	Cultists	sell
Cold iron dagger	1	4	0	y	Cultists	Elrembriel
Cold iron dagger	5	4	0	y	Cultists	?
Breastplate	5	200	500	y	Cultists	sell
Longsword	5	15	37.5	y	Cultists	sell
Heavy crossbow, 20 bolts	6	102	306	y	Cultists	sell
Masterwork breastplate	1	350	175	y	Cultists	sell
Masterwork longsword	1	315	157.5	y	Cultists	sell
Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds	1	300	0	y	Cultists	Morevek
Wand of Magic Missile - 7 ch	1	105	0	y	Anevia's and Irabeth's	Elrembriel
Potion of Invisibility	1	300	0	y	Anevia's and Irabeth's	Elrembriel
Ranseur of the Gargoyle (IC post #675)	1	2310	1155	y	Anevia's and Irabeth's	sell
Half-orc's brass ring (strong magic faded)	1		0	y	Anevia's and Irabeth's	Elrembriel
Scroll of Death Knell	1	150	75	y	Hosilla	sell
Oil of Magic Weapon	2	50	0	y	Hosilla	Morevek
Potion of Invisibility	1	300	150	y	Hosilla	sell
Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds	1	300	0	y	Hosilla	Morevek
Wand of Spiritual Weapon - 7 ch	1	105	0	y	Hosilla	Waylan
Alchemist's fire	2	20	20	y	Hosilla	sell
Antitoxin	1	50	25	y	Hosilla	sell
Masterwork dagger	1	302	151	y	Renegade mongrelmen	sell
Masterwork longbow	1	400	0	y	Renegade mongrelmen	Aurora
Masterwork chain shirt	1	250	0	y	Renegade mongrelmen	Waylan
Potion of Cure Light Wounds	2	25	0	y	Renegade mongrelmen	Morevek
Wand of Longstrider - 10 ch	1	150	0	y	Renegade mongrelmen	Elrembriel
Potion of Cure Light Wounds	2	50	0	y	False crusaders	Elrembriel
Scroll of Cause Fear	1	25	0	y	False crusaders	Elrembriel
Gold	129	1	129	y	False crusaders	cash
Spellbook (Detect Secret Doors, Fog Cloud, Grease, Invisibility, Resist Energy, Shocking Grasp, Silent Image)	1		0	y	Millorn	Elrembriel
Marble statuette	1	75	37.5	y	Millorn	sell
Scroll of Resist Energy	1	150	0	y	Millorn	Waylan
Masterwork dagger	1	302	151	y	Millorn	sell
Cloak of resistance +1	1	1000	0	y	Millorn	Morevek
Platinum	8	10	80	y	Millorn	cash
Gold	7	1	7	y	Millorn	cash

(Yes I'm counting the spellbooks for zero. That because we can sell them, provided we find buyers.)

According to this table the valuables distributed are as follows (cash and sales of valuables not counted):
- Elrembriel 4954
- Waylan 4205
- Filburn 2418
- Morevek 1675
- Aurora 1559

If you want to apply equality in the value of loot shares, it's possible; then Elrembriel would owe the most (2048 gp), while Aurora would be owed the most (1347 gp). Do you guys wish to do this?

[DarkOne-Rob]

I am not real worried about loot equity. I just plan on managing our gear to cover our needs. Right now I am beginning to feel stressed (though the magic sword helps a great deal). Defenses are beginning to concern me, especially as combats get more deadly. I plan to buy a Cloak of Resistances ASAP, followed by some armor-buffing jewelry.

[Farmerbink]

As an aside, you've not factored radiance into the above table.

[Farmerbink]

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[Gwynfrid]

As an aside, you've not factored radiance into the above table.

Right. And we have no idea how much its value is - I suspect, about as much as the rest of the loot combined.

Similarly, note that among the riches gathered by Elrembriel, 3000gp is accounted for a single item, a scroll that is unlikely to serve anytime soon. So, I think the raw monetary accounting isn't the right way to balance things, at least not in this game.

I'd rather suggest that Morevek raise a hand if he feels he's being left behind. I'll be happy to chip in something to help (you need to have an idea about what to buy, first).