High CHA, Low DEX?

[Zhentarim]

How could a clumsy character be any good at diplomacy?

[Draconium]

Since when does one need to be physically capable to be likable? Being a klutz doesn't make you less charismatic by any means.

[Aetol]

Being charismatic doesn't mean being attractive or likable. It means, at the core, that you can attract attention to make others listen to what you have to say. Dexterity has nothing to do with that.

[NecroRebel]

Stephen Hawking perhaps? Pretty much incapable of moving (very low DEX), but quite a likable man.

Heck, the "cute clumsy girl" trope exists - someone who regularly stumbles and has accidents, but is seen as more attractive as a result.

[Strigon]

Charisma is just your ability to direct people's thoughts and actions in a certain way; nothing to do with your motor skills.
Certainly, if someone's constantly knocking your stuff over, you might like that person less, but that's nothing to do with their personality.

EDIT:

Professor X! Quite a likeable fellow, paralyzed below the waste.
Captain Picard, now that I think about it - he's getting on in years, not as nimble as he once was, but still very charismatic.

[Fri]

As much as I hate referring tvtropes for anything, go to that site and search for "Dojikko"

[Aetol]

Stephen Hawking has high Int. I'm not sure about Cha ; afaik he's respected for being a genius, not for being charismatic.

And an example of someone with high Cha who is definitely not likeable : Adolf Hitler. (Don't say Godwin)

[Strigon]

And an example of someone with high Cha who is definitely not likeable : Adolf Hitler. (Don't say Godwin)

Actually, he was very well liked, from what I've heard. He was, supposedly, a very kind person in private.
People just don't like him 'cuz, you know. Holocaust.

Other than that, supposedly, stand up guy. So score one for charisma on Hitler.

[Berenger]

[JNAProductions]

The existence of this thread confuses me. What on earth do Dexterity and Charisma have to do with one another?

[Strigon]

The existence of this thread confuses me. What on earth do Dexterity and Charisma have to do with one another?

That does seem to be the great question 'round these parts.

[Ninja Bear]

The existence of this thread confuses me. What on earth do Dexterity and Charisma have to do with one another?

Guessing it's a parody of the "high INT, low WIS" thread.

[JNAProductions]

That would make some amount of sense. Poe's Law, though.

[Zhentarim]

Guessing it's a parody of the "high INT, low WIS" thread.

Bingo! Nail on the head.

[Dimers]

Bingo! Nail on the head.

Parody noted. Gotta say, though, I know someone just like this. Crashes into solid objects, trips over her own toes. It doesn't matter because she gets other people to do things for her so she doesn't have to move. She's been effectively managing workgroups since about seven years old.

[Zhentarim]

Parody noted. Gotta say, though, I know someone just like this. Crashes into solid objects, trips over her own toes. It doesn't matter because she gets other people to do things for her so she doesn't have to move. She's been effectively managing workgroups since about seven years old.

That's pretty cool, actually.

[Raimun]

I've got a better one.

How could someone have high Str but low Con. It's possible according to the rules but I have a hard time imagining a Str 18, Con 3 character.

Heck, I can't think of any fictional examples.

[Zhentarim]

I've got a better one.

How could someone have high Str but low Con. It's possible according to the rules but I have a hard time imagining a Str 18, Con 3 character.

Heck, I can't think of any fictional examples.

It is hard to imagine. Those 2 should lump together.

[Dimers]

I would guess "spindly" belongs in the description, and probably "fragile" too. A body with wiry muscle and not much else -- hair/fur all fallen out, thin skin, shriveled organs, a fluttering heart. The muscles are drawing all the body's nutrients and energy to maintain violently potent movement.

Actually, I've seen an analog in Shadowrun 4e. There's one cybernetic mod that basically tell the body to move in all directions at once all the time. Then when the time comes to act, it just stops telling the body to move in most of those directions, and boom, instant full-force reaction. That sort of system is very draining, and I could easily see it causing so much physiological stress that the body barely works besides that supermotion.

Definitely not a common fantasy trope, though!

[Nerd-o-rama]

In answer to the original question: **** van Dyke. (Sigh. RICHARD van Dyke then)

I've got a better one.

How could someone have high Str but low Con. It's possible according to the rules but I have a hard time imagining a Str 18, Con 3 character.

Heck, I can't think of any fictional examples.

Powerful swordsman with tuberculosis?

[Aetol]

Bingo! Nail on the head.

Hmm. I need my Poe-dar updated.

[hymer]

Powerful swordsman with tuberculosis?

His strength would drop quickly when he'd be unable to train due to his poor health.

[McNum]

Pixie Barbarian? As big as your hand, wielding a sword as big as a bear. Fragile, but deadly.

[hymer]

Pixie Barbarian? As big as your hand, wielding a sword as big as a bear. Fragile, but deadly.

A fairy did it.

[Nerd-o-rama]

His strength would drop quickly when he'd be unable to train due to his poor health.

I was thinking specifically of famed and frequently fictionalized Japanese fencer/enforcer Okita Souji, who was renowned for his sword skill but was subject to fainting spells and died at age 24-25ish. Particularly, how he's portrayed in fantasy fiction, which is usually completely unbeatable in a straight fight despite being built like two sticks tied together.

[hymer]

I was thinking specifically of famed and frequently fictionalized Japanese fencer/enforcer Okita Souji, who was renowned for his sword skill but was subject to fainting spells and died at age 24-25ish. Particularly, how he's portrayed in fantasy fiction, which is usually completely unbeatable in a straight fight despite being built like two sticks tied together.

I can't claim to know the fellow, but I'm fairly certain he was neither the strongest a human being can naturally be, nor at the same time the frailest health a human can naturally be.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Probably not, but this is a hypothetical exercise. None of that kind of extreme exists in real life, mostly because these numbers are game abstractions.

[Strigon]

AHA!
Darth vader; completely fragile without his suit, but still quite strong; strong enough to hoist a struggling man over his head.
Certainly, there's an argument to be made against this case, but I'd put him as strong but fragile.


Same goes for many people with extreme gigantism; Robert Wadlow was supposedly very strong, but his size made him suffer many health issues throughout his life.

[squab]

Gigantism is probably the best example. I don't like the Darth Vader example - who's to say that it isn't his suit that makes him so strong as well?

[Strigon]

Gigantism is probably the best example. I don't like the Darth Vader example - who's to say that it isn't his suit that makes him so strong as well?

That's what I meant by there being an argument for it; personally, I think it's just his conditioning, training and force abilities, but I agree evidence for that point is limited at best.