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2015-09-22, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2006
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- Wandering in Harrekh
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Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Welcome to the special Halloween edition of Villainous Competition!
Previous Competitions
Round One: Leader of Armies
Round Two: Nature's Revenger
Round Three: Double Agent
Round Four: Grave Keeper
Round Five: Crime Lord
Round Six: Ultimate Predator
We're a little different than most of the optimization threads. We run on CR instead of ECL.
Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build with at least one of the following points: 5 CR, 10 CR 15CR, 20 CR, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20 CR build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:
Secret Laboratory: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Item Familiars and Taint are also banned from the competition. We don’t want to make this too easy, do we?
EDIT (updated 10/12): While some monstrous characters can technically qualify for Epic feats once their ECL is over 20, this would give an unfair advantage over standard characters. Epic materials are not allowed. Please note that Racial Hitdice do not count towards Epic Progression; use the regular progression even if the BAB ends up higher than 20.
EDIT: The variant "Witch" spell list in the DMG (p. 175) is explicitly allowed. The Witch class would take the same stats as a Sorcerer, with the exception of the spell list.
Fire Burn and Cauldron Bubble … Contestants will have until 23:59 GMT Friday October 16th to create their builds and PM them to the Supreme Chancellor (yours truly, Telonius). Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until Friday October 30th to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.
Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Build Elegance, Competence and Power, Memorable Villainy.
Keep these questions in mind when judging each category:
Originality - Is it unexpected?
Build Elegance - Is it mechanically pretty?
Competence and Power - Can it do what the concept asks of it? Is this a powerfully-built character?
Memorable Villainy - Is this a villain with style? Will it be the BBEG the players talk about for years to come?
Build Elegance: Fully monstrous builds are allowed, but may be penalized at the judges’ discretion. All class levels are to be added on as associated class levels. Amount of sources can be penalized, but obscurity of sources should not be penalized. Count the three Core books as one source. Unearthed Arcana can be penalized for elegance if the specific feature seems unnecessary or makes the playing field unfair (In this case, you can give a 0 if it makes the field unfair.)
Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. As the Iron Chef competition states, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
Using the table below, the easiest way to use it is to go to the top left of the private message, and click the little a/A icon. It allows you to see what you're writing.
Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
SpoilerCode immediately below (spoiler).Level Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features 1st New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 2nd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 3rd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 4th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 5th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 6th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 7th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 8th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 9th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 10th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 11th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 12th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 13th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 14th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 15th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 16th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 17th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 18th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 19th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 20th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities Spoiler[table="class: head alt1 alt2"]
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[th][B]Level[/B][/th]
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[th][B]Fort Save[/B][/th]
[th][B]Ref Save[/B][/th]
[th][B]Will Save[/B][/th]
[th][B]Skills[/B][/th]
[th][B]Feats[/B][/th]
[th][B]Class Features[/B][/th]
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[td]1st[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]2nd[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]3rd[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[tr]
[td]4th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[tr]
[td]5th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]9th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]10th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]11th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]12th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]13th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]14th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]15th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]16th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[tr]
[td]17th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[tr]
[td]18th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]19th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[tr]
[td]20th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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You can use the below table for Spells.
Spoiler
Spells per Day/Spells Known
Spells per Day/Spells Known
Code Immediately Below,Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 1st - - - - - - - - - - 2nd - - - - - - - - - - 3rd - - - - - - - - - - 4th - - - - - - - - - - 5th - - - - - - - - - - 6th - - - - - - - - - - 7th - - - - - - - - - - 8th - - - - - - - - - - 9th - - - - - - - - - - 10th - - - - - - - - - - 11th - - - - - - - - - - 12th - - - - - - - - - - 13th - - - - - - - - - - 14th - - - - - - - - - - 15th - - - - - - - - - - 16th - - - - - - - - - - 17th - - - - - - - - - - 18th - - - - - - - - - - 19th - - - - - - - - - - 20th - - - - - - - - - - Spoiler
[B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
[B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
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[th][B]Level[/B][/th]
[th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]
[th][B]1st[/B][/th]
[th][B]2nd[/B][/th]
[th][B]3rd[/B][/th]
[th][B]4th[/B][/th]
[th][B]5th[/B][/th]
[th][B]6th[/B][/th]
[th][B]7th[/B][/th]
[th][B]8th[/B][/th]
[th][B]9th[/B][/th]
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[td]1st[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]2nd[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]3rd[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]4th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]5th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]6th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
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[td]7th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]8th[/td]
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[td]9th[/td]
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[td]10th[/td]
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[td]11th[/td]
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[td]12th[/td]
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[td]13th[/td]
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[td]14th[/td]
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[td]15th[/td]
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[td]16th[/td]
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[td]17th[/td]
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[td]19th[/td]
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[td]20th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
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Speculation: Please don’t post or speculate on possible builds until the reveal, in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
Start packing some breadcrumbs, keep a spare bucket of water handy, and hold onto your broomsticks. This edition’s villain is:
The Wicked Witch
A true classic of folklore and legend. Whether you’re cursing entire kingdoms to slumber or wreaking vengeance on children who drop houses on your relatives, you’re the scariest thing in the forest, and you know it. With your trusty broomstick in hand and your black cat at your side, you’re a source of terror (and costume ideas) for the children of the world. And one thing you know for sure: black never goes out of style.
Devil-Worshiper? Sorceress? Enchantress? Cannibal? Monster? Temptress? Witches can be all of those and more. The aspect of the legends that you focus on are up to you.
Limitations:- Must be capable of bestowing a curse of some kind. (The Bestow Curse spell will do, but similar effects will also count, at the judges’ discretion).
- Must have a traditional witch-y animal (such as a black cat, bat, frog, etc) as a familiar, animal companion, or other similar helper.
- Must include the Brew Potion feat.
- Must be capable of achieving flight via a Broom of Flying. Creating the broom is not required; the character only has to be capable of using it.
- Must be Evil-aligned. (Sorry, Glinda, this is a villainous competition).
- Only one witch per entry. While covens of three are traditional, our judges and contestants will need a bit of mercy.
We will award 1st through 3rd places, and a possible Honorable Mention.
Use Elite Array instead of Normal Array, no Penalty on using Elite Array on a creature without any class levels.
Make sure you don’t mix up your eye of newt and tongue of dog; mis-spelling can be hazardous to any witch’s health. Tips for submitting your entry, provided by Weaselguy:
- Use capitalization and punctuation, correctly.
- Make good use of Spoilers, for cleanliness.
- Don't forget your sources. If it's something that can be found in the contents section, then book title seems to be fine. Obscure stuff, may want to include page number too.
- DeviantArt has about 9 billion pictures that you can reference, I can almost guarantee you can find one there to fit your character.
- Make good use of tables. In addition to the Build table and the Spells table, I like doing on e for my Ability Scores, just to keep it neat.
- Do a build stub at the top of your Build Table, something like Wizard 2/Fighter 3/Abjurant Champion 5/Eldritch Knight 10
To standardize Entries, please use this format when emailing it in:
PM: Telonius
Subject: Villainous Competition 7, Name of your Entry
For Revisions and disputes, do the same thing. It makes it easier for me finding the entries in my mail box.
More questions? I’ll get them, my little pretty … if you put Villainous Competition 7 Questions in the header.Last edited by Telonius; 2015-10-12 at 12:22 PM.
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2015-09-22, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Oct 2012
- Location
- In the Playground, duh.
Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
...Wow. That is an exceptionally cramped set of restrictions, but I can probably manage. I has an idea...
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2015-09-22, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2006
Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
I have some actual (school) work upcoming, but I'll try to get something in.
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2015-09-22, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2011
- Location
- Michigan
- Gender
Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
I too am really behind on work, but have some rudimentary thoughts on this.
Also, I'd like to nominate "Terror of the Deep" or something to that effect for a future round. Maybe a round for villains who eat people as a central aspect of their shtick as well.
Iron Chef Medals
SpoilerSir Driscoll Conia - Silver - IC L
Nick Snarespan - Gold - IC LIII
Lucy "Legs" Silvertail - Bronze - IC LXVIII
Bolfarg of Knoss - Gold - IC LXXVII
Ivarr Deathborn - Bronze - IC LXXVII
Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII
Tocke of Nessus - Gold - IC LXXIX
The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI
Galahad Galapagos - Gold - IC LXXXIV
Sai-don, Knight of the Tide - Bronze - IC LXXXIV
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2015-09-22, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2012
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- Necro-equestrian Pugilism
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Huh, I actually have an idea for this, and it doesn't entirely suck. I may be in for my first time in this competition.
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2015-09-23, 07:49 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2006
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- Wandering in Harrekh
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Question from the inbox:
"Would Witch (example spell list for creating new classes in DMG p175) be kosher?"
For this competition, the Witch variant spell list will be explicitly allowed. Please note the DMG Witch would have the same stats as a Sorcerer, with the exception of the spell list. Witch levels (and anything that advances Witch casting) would allow advancement only among the Witch spells. The spells would be noted as Arcane Mark (Witch 0), Cause Fear (Witch 1), etc.
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2015-09-23, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2012
Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Is the Broomstick of Flying the Pathfinder item? Does that mean we have to use Pathfinder rules for it?
Also by use, do you mean make and use, or simply use?Kolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
Awards
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2015-09-23, 01:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2014
Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Currently Recruiting WW/Mafia: Logic's Deathloop Mafia and Cazero's Graduates Of Hope's Peak - Danganronpa Mafia
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My Homebrew
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2015-09-23, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2006
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Should have been "Broom of Flying" - sorry, my brain registers them as the same word - regular item from the 3.5 SRD. The character doesn't have to be able to make it, just to use it.
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2015-09-23, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2012
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
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2015-09-23, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2006
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
It most likely is the source of the idea of full-casting from a smaller fixed list, but from the text:
Casters with access to spells from two different classes should generally have fewer spells available than either of the original classes. Versatility has its price...
Hence, her list is somewhat limited, but it contains wizard, cleric, and druid spells. She casts spells as a sorcerer, using the sorcerer’s Spells per Day table (see page 52 of the Player’s Handbook), and her spells are based on Charisma.
Unfortunately the text and the intent is pretty clear to me: the spell list is a variant list for Sorcerer; the list of available spells would be the only thing that changed. Witch doesn't know the full list. Warmage and Beguiler didn't exist yet when the DMG was published. They went with the general idea of a smaller, fixed list of spells known. Those classes knew their whole list. I totally agree that allowing Witch to know their whole list would be a much better way to balance things; but we're going by published rules.
(Including it at all is a bit of a stretch, since it's not really a finished class; but keeping it as a Sorcerer variant, as I believe it was intended to be, might allow some interesting combinations that wouldn't otherwise surface).
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Aw yeah, I'm really happy that this competition is back. And just in time for Halloween!
Contest Medals
SpoilerAyesha: Gold, Junkyard Wars I
The Last Warder: Silver, Junkyard Wars IV
Princess Pufflebutt: Silver, Junkyard Wars VII
Gren Beastclaws: Silver, Junkyard Wars VIII
Mother Halfbreed: Silver, Iron Chef Home Cooking I
Vathoa Frostspeaker Kualavoaka: Gold, Junkyard Wars IX
Sanna Blackfish: Bronze, Villainous Competition II
Annabelle: Gold, Villainous Competition IV
Nulara of the Evil Eye: Gold, Villainous Competition IX
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
One thing I've noticed is that sometimes the competition threads go a bit dead for a while, while people are busy working on their own builds. Makes sense, since they don't want to post anything that clues in the competition to what you're making. But, I think that's one reason we've sometimes gotten a drop-off in participation. When the thread falls down to page 3 or 4, people might not realize that the contest is still going on.
So, I'd like to open the thread up to ideas for keeping up interest between now and the deadline. Maybe a discussion of our favorite media depictions of the villain type we're going for? Great "villainous moments" from your own campaigns?
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
So, as I've been trying to build a character for this, I've bumped up against every restriction except "One witch per entry." Which is to say, I had an idea that I nixed because it couldn't use a broom of flying. When I first looked at the restrictions, I didn't even understand how that was possible.
Contest Medals
SpoilerAyesha: Gold, Junkyard Wars I
The Last Warder: Silver, Junkyard Wars IV
Princess Pufflebutt: Silver, Junkyard Wars VII
Gren Beastclaws: Silver, Junkyard Wars VIII
Mother Halfbreed: Silver, Iron Chef Home Cooking I
Vathoa Frostspeaker Kualavoaka: Gold, Junkyard Wars IX
Sanna Blackfish: Bronze, Villainous Competition II
Annabelle: Gold, Villainous Competition IV
Nulara of the Evil Eye: Gold, Villainous Competition IX
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
I know it is a major part of the 'witch' archetype, but do these restrictions have to be so... restrictive? I can't help but wonder if it really matters whether the witch' pet cat is black, white, or whatever other color, just to name something.
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
I think it just has to be a Familiar, Animal Companion or Animal Cohort that happens to be something a "classic" witch would have (Cat, Toad, Raven etc.).
On the note of the 'witch' variant class' spell list. Flipping through my DMG the spell list suggested a list that was something like:
All Wizard/Sorcerer Enchantments
Most Transmutations
Lower level Illusions/Divination
The weaker half the healing spells
Spells that involved talking to/manipulating nature
No "Blasty" spells, conjuration/calling, and explicit teleportation
Essentially a Hybrid of Druid and Wizard/Sorc spell list with no evocations/sconjuration (outside of healing spells), very little necromancy, and no high level Divination/Illusion magic. That seem on the right track for the list of spells known?
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Sorry for the sporadic posts - connection issues this weekend (and a busy workday today). We're going for traditional, Halloween-style Witch this time, since it is the Halloween special. Black cat is the most archetypal, but I suppose Bats and Frogs and other traditional helpers would qualify too.
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Since I'm no longer DMing after running a game for the best part of a year, I'll see if I can get an entry in. I've got some ideas, but they all seem a little...obvious.
My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Huh. I'm alive? That's a surprise. My life has kinda went upside down since I stopped running this competition. I'll be watching, at least.
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
So how are the witches' brews coming along?
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Can't participate in this one, pity.
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
I have been dragged into an alley and beaten near to death by inspiration. Here's hoping I can pull my build together in time.
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Hmm, after re-reading the initial post on entry requirements, not sure if the ideas I had are going to come together. One in particular was looking good, but not sure how to best make it fit all criteria...
My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
Definitely got something simmering, but the prep time may exceed my schedule right now. Time will tell.
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
I'm thinking that I'll probably end up judging rather than entering. It's a pretty busy week for me, and my thoughts on this round feel a bit too obvious.
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SpoilerSir Driscoll Conia - Silver - IC L
Nick Snarespan - Gold - IC LIII
Lucy "Legs" Silvertail - Bronze - IC LXVIII
Bolfarg of Knoss - Gold - IC LXXVII
Ivarr Deathborn - Bronze - IC LXXVII
Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII
Tocke of Nessus - Gold - IC LXXIX
The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI
Galahad Galapagos - Gold - IC LXXXIV
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Re: Villainous Competition VII: Double, Double, Toil and Trouble
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
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