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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantaki View Post
    Parson under Wanda's control? That sounds like a terrible idea. If that happens I give Gobwin Knob one turn (plus the time a enemy needs to arrive) until it falls. Unless Parson pulls a Ossomer there is nothing left to prevent Wanda's bad plans.
    One turn seems overly optimistic. I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up having some sort of civil war if Stanley disagrees... And Stanley doesn't have an heir.
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    Default Re: Erfworld Thread VI: +10 vs Fat Guys From Ohio

    Ossomer didn't need one turn and he didn't have any Fate Hax. Granted, I don't think Wanda will let Parson out of her sight but Fate would probably conspire against her in that regard.

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    I don't see how Lilith can possibly overcome the gauntlet Charlie is setting up against her in the Portal room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guttering flame View Post
    I don't see how Lilith can possibly overcome the gauntlet Charlie is setting up against her in the Portal room.
    That gauntlet is for Parson, not Lilith. As for how, my guess is that if/when Charlie realizes exactly what Lilith is trying to do, he will 'let' her make it to the portal, then hose down portal park with his tripods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guttering flame View Post
    I don't see how Lilith can possibly overcome the gauntlet Charlie is setting up against her in the Portal room.
    I don't know how Lilith could get past the lock, but Lilith might be able to deactivate a lot of the equipment by disconnecting the cables leading to the equipment. Maybe she could even find a circuit breaker box. That might at least make Charlescomm panic and attack her. OTOH, I'm not sure that she could do it or would know enough to try.

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    I approve the thread's title.

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    So, some good information, then it gets frustratingly vague again.

    So, Parson has to actually kill Charlie somehow, rather than just make the necessary plans or order someone else to do it and, but he could use a weapon other than a sword? Yes? No?

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    I like the art in the last two panels
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    I wonder just how specific the prophecies are.

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    Good god, seeing Wanda get a much-needed head-whackin' feels way better than it should.
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    Anybody else look at how the dialogue and the image suggest that the alternative to the sword is the healing scroll Marie is proffering?
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    Good god, seeing Wanda get a much-needed head-whackin' feels way better than it should.
    Really? To me, she came out of this rather well, considering.

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    Anybody else look at how the dialogue and the image suggest that the alternative to the sword is the healing scroll Marie is proffering?
    I don't think so. Marie just seemed to be waving the hand that happened to have the scroll in it. She actually pointed to Parson with it two panels earlier and that didn't mean anything. Also in the first panel she is holding it in nearly the same way as she is in the last.

    But I think the cloak isn't doing much good. Anyone could see that Marie was having an animated discussion with some people, and with GK's soldiers guarding them, it wouldn't be hard for anyone to figure out who it is.

    ADDED: I suppose a tinfoil hat theory would be that Marie could be a traitor and is trying to point out the locations of Parson and Wanda, but that seems far-fetched to me.
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    Anybody else look at how the dialogue and the image suggest that the alternative to the sword is the healing scroll Marie is proffering?
    In the sense of healing something that's undead could kill it? Perhaps, but I think it's more of a hand gesture. I am wondering if the scroll is more of a "mass healing" thing since it wasn't time to use it when the only target is Maggie.
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    So, some good information, then it gets frustratingly vague again.

    So, Parson has to actually kill Charlie somehow, rather than just make the necessary plans or order someone else to do it and, but he could use a weapon other than a sword? Yes? No?
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    I am not sure that the last comment about "It doesn't need to be a sword" is meant to be a serious comment about parson having to kill charlie himself, we are seeing that Marie is a little snarky here and there

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    I am not sure that the last comment about "It doesn't need to be a sword" is meant to be a serious comment about parson having to kill charlie himself, we are seeing that Marie is a little snarky here and there
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    Being vague is how predictomancers keep themselves in business.
    ...and sometimes authors?

    If this goes on too much further, are people going to think it counts as trolling the readers? Do some people already think that?

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    Being vague is how predictamancers keep themselves in business.
    It's probably a combination of this, straight up not knowing the details, and the fact that advertising that they don't know the details of a prediction would be bad for business. Take Jillian's monologue to her tamed yellow dwagon during her time as Haffaton's fugitive. All Faq's predictamancer could tell her was that she would be ambushed that one turn. No clue where or when during the turn or by who or why or with what, just that it would happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschmenk View Post
    ...and sometimes authors?

    If this goes on too much further, are people going to think it counts as trolling the readers? Do some people already think that?
    As far as I'm concerned, that's par for the course for any entertainment medium. The average viewer of a high-end ballet performance won't know if some minutia of dance choreography is different from one night to the next or if the dancer stumbled slightly. An actor improvising a line on opening night doesn't stop the show and apologize to the audience if they don't catch on.

    Web and print comics are a long-term writing medium unlike a once-off published book, but I feel that the writer doesn't have to know all the details in advance, even if they're being vague from a character's perspective. Sometimes the best stuff comes after analyzing the things you wrote earlier.
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    Anybody else look at how the dialogue and the image suggest that the alternative to the sword is the healing scroll Marie is proffering?
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    Or maybe a scroll in general? Parsons till has the scroll from Charley that would send him back to earth. Maybe it can be used in Charley, too? It is interesting that the scroll is in the middle of the last panel, between the three of them.
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    Default Re: Erfworld Thread VI: +10 vs Fat Guys From Ohio

    Wanda looks a little bit annoyed in panel six. I don't think she likes what Parson, Jack and Marie have to say. Cheating FATE? You don't cheat FATE! Because it's FAAATE!

    I just hope Marie's comment that Parson doesn't have to use a sword doesn't mean he has to kill Charlie directly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantaki View Post
    Wanda looks a little bit annoyed in panel six. I don't think she likes what Parson, Jack and Marie have to say. Cheating FATE? You don't cheat FATE! Because it's FAAATE!
    I thought it was more that Parson and Jack were making her look embarrassingly stupid because they were having no trouble figuring out what she hadn't been able to figure out.

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    I thought it was more that Parson and Jack were making her look embarrassingly stupid because they were having no trouble figuring out what she hadn't been able to figure out.
    Wanda does not need Parson and Jack's help to look embarrassingly stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschmenk View Post
    I thought it was more that Parson and Jack were making her look embarrassingly stupid because they were having no trouble figuring out what she hadn't been able to figure out.
    I don't know, to me it looks like Wanda is angry that the others - especially Jack - disagree with her. I don't think she likes the fact that one of her Decrypted disagrees with her.

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    Wanda does not need Parson and Jack's help to look embarrassingly stupid.
    Well, yeah, but that it is easy doesn't mean the othes should let her do all the work.
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    Isn't the real point that if fate really insisted Charlie not die, the easiest way would be for one of the other archons in the room to take Lilith out first? Then they'd be rolling in a big pile of schmuckers instead of worrying about losing all their cities. That's like the second best outcome to actually killing Charlie. I don't see why the argument needs to be so complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryuplaneswalker View Post
    Wanda does not need Parson and Jack's help to look embarrassingly stupid.
    I meant that they made her realize that it was happening.

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    I don't know, to me it looks like Wanda is angry that the others - especially Jack - disagree with her. I don't think she likes the fact that one of her Decrypted disagrees with her.
    I don't think she looks all that angry. Compare the same of her eyebrows in the 6th and 8th panels with the 1st and 3rd. I'd say she looks more disappointed and stunned and probably a bit annoyed. To me isn't [it is] more of a "Huh? Wait, how could that be? Oh, that's not good news. This is not going well." I wouldn't be surprised if she is especially surprised and disappointed that even decryped Jack disagrees with her, though, so I agree with what you said about that; I just don't think I'm seeing much anger as such. (Anger might come later, though.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kornaki View Post
    Isn't the real point that if fate really insisted Charlie not die, the easiest way would be for one of the other archons in the room to take Lilith out first? Then they'd be rolling in a big pile of schmuckers instead of worrying about losing all their cities. That's like the second best outcome to actually killing Charlie. I don't see why the argument needs to be so complicated.
    Well, that's basically what Marie said at the bottom of the previous page. Are you asking why Wanda didn't realize that? Wanda believed that if you try to do something that fate doesn't like, it will retaliate, so she had a knee-jerk reaction and didn't think of anything else. Basically, she panicked at the thought of angering fate and didn't think of things like money. She didn't know what fate would do as a punishment, but she thought it would be bad (something more than just keeping GK from killing Charlie). She was wrong, of course, but she didn't know that.
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