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    Wait, we are still discussing overcoming the vampire DR with favored enemy? Hasn't that train left the station already?

    Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwiebelchen View Post
    Wait, we are still discussing overcoming the vampire DR with favored enemy? Hasn't that train left the station already?

    Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...
    Vampires have DR 10/silver and magic.

    This new vampire could be a vampire spawn though, in which case the DR is 5/silver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwiebelchen View Post
    Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...
    What does the vampire's weapon have to do with overcoming his own DR? He's going to hit himself with his weapon?

    (And you're thinking of liches BTW)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwiebelchen View Post
    Wait, we are still discussing overcoming the vampire DR with favored enemy? Hasn't that train left the station already?

    Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PallentisLunam View Post
    Uhh, can you not make me an accomplice to taking a dump on people for having a dumb rules argument? Thanks
    You are not an accomplice to my post.

    As an action, I praised your good post.

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    You know that moment where you just read an oots comic, and want to read more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaggerPen View Post
    Rich himself is barely allowed artistic license, and he draws the thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quibbilcious View Post
    I lost my artistic license after getting stuck in a poetry jam.
    I've been in a gnomish one once

    It was brutal

    To this day I still have flashbacks

    Liek if u crie every tiem I liek= 4d6 grammer and speeling checkz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quibbilcious View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by KorvinStarmast View Post
    If you recall from our readings he's going to fake character growth[/URL].

    The other take on that is that by the simple act of faking character growth for long enough, it happens anyway, almost unintentionally.
    Bingo! I look forward to that, if he survives. However, a part of me can't shake the gravity of the oracle's words concerning him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwiebelchen View Post
    Wait, we are still discussing overcoming the vampire DR with favored enemy? Hasn't that train left the station already?

    Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...
    magic+silver actually. Magic+blunt is Liches.

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    Bingo! I look forward to that, if he survives. However, a part of me can't shake the gravity of the oracle's words concerning him.
    If being thrown off a mountain didn't kill him, he doesn't really have to worry about gravity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    If being thrown off a mountain didn't kill him, he doesn't really have to worry about gravity.
    Getting thrown off of a mountain isn't what kills you: it's that sudden stop at the bottom of the fall that kills you.

    With Feather Fall mitigating that drop, the worry about gravity is mitigated until that feather fall device stops functioning.

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    Stupid question regarding the ring of feather fall:

    As discussed earlier in thread it activates automatically after a fall of five feet, then lasts for sixty seconds. As discussed, this isn't enough time to save someone who's falling off a really high mountain.

    BUT .... I've heard that it also has unlimited usage.

    So here's one way it could be used, and allow the user to survive a fall such as that Belkar experienced;

    1) User is kicked off the mountain.
    2) User falls five feet. The ring activates.
    3) The user falls for ((however many levels the ring's maker was) * 6 seconds) at a greatly reduced speed.

    4) After that time, the effect terminates and the wearer resumes the fall with normal acceleration.
    5) After ANOTHER five feet, the effect kicks in again.
    6) Repeat steps one through five until landing occurs.

    If the ring works in this fashion, a user could fall from the stratosphere and take no serious harm. In fact, it would be better than knowing the spell, since you wouldn't have to prepare and cast it, thus saving a spell slot.

    Is that the way it's supposed to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pendell View Post
    Is that the way it's supposed to work?
    No, it would just reactivate every 5 feet, staying active until the wearer lands. Falling at a greatly reduced speed is still falling. Step 4 would not happen, there is no reason for the effect to terminate after 60 feet, it doesn't have to wear off before the ring is activated again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pendell View Post
    Stupid question regarding the ring of feather fall:

    As discussed earlier in thread it activates automatically after a fall of five feet, then lasts for sixty seconds. As discussed, this isn't enough time to save someone who's falling off a really high mountain.

    BUT .... I've heard that it also has unlimited usage.

    So here's one way it could be used, and allow the user to survive a fall such as that Belkar experienced;

    1) User is kicked off the mountain.
    2) User falls five feet. The ring activates.
    3) The user falls for ((however many levels the ring's maker was) * 6 seconds) at a greatly reduced speed.

    4) After that time, the effect terminates and the wearer resumes the fall with normal acceleration.
    5) After ANOTHER five feet, the effect kicks in again.
    6) Repeat steps one through five until landing occurs.

    If the ring works in this fashion, a user could fall from the stratosphere and take no serious harm. In fact, it would be better than knowing the spell, since you wouldn't have to prepare and cast it, thus saving a spell slot.

    Is that the way it's supposed to work?

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    That's how I always use it. Because magical items usually default to the lowest possible caster level, and having a ring that only stops you for 60' of a fall forever isn't all that useful. The only reason you need a Ring of Feather Falling isn't for the short falls, its for the long ones that would kill you. So it's either a pretty cheap but useless item or a pretty cheap and very useful item depending on your interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlebum2002 View Post
    That's how I always use it. [...] So it's either a pretty cheap but useless item or a pretty cheap and very useful item depending on your interpretation.
    That interpretation is wrong. The item is pretty cheap, and even more useful than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodneyAnonymous View Post
    That interpretation is wrong. The item is pretty cheap, and even more useful than that.
    What I mean is that if you interpret it where it only negates the first 60' of a fall it's not a terribly useful item.

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    I understand, and I am saying that's wrong. It is basically continually on, but it only triggers if the fall is more than 5 feet. Being a truly continuous effect item (which is common, especially for magic rings) might be inconvenient for an adventurer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodneyAnonymous View Post
    I understand, and I am saying that's wrong. It is basically continually on, but it only triggers if the fall is 5 feet or more. Being a truly continuous effect item (which is common, especially for magic rings) would be inconvenient.
    Ahh gotcha. In that case I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by pendell View Post

    1) User is kicked off the mountain.
    2) User falls five feet. The ring activates.
    3) The user falls for ((however many levels the ring's maker was) * 6 seconds) at a greatly reduced speed.

    4) After that time, the effect terminates and the wearer resumes the fall with normal acceleration.
    5) After ANOTHER five feet, the effect kicks in again.
    6) Repeat steps one through five until landing occurs.
    This is why one should carry an air sickness bag when using a ring of feather fall and waltzing about near cliffs.

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    Thanks korvin, littlebum , and Rodney! I have been educated. I was always one for the emergency scroll of teleport, but that's not useful if your unconscious, but the ring -- since it reactivates every few steps and has unlimited usage -- is actually a pretty neat contingency item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KorvinStarmast View Post
    This is why one should carry an air sickness bag when using a ring of feather fall and waltzing about near cliffs.
    If I was a DM, and you purposely parachuted in over the BBEG so you could stop-start featherfall, get sick, and vomit on him, I would totally give him a penalty to Fortitude saves for that fight simply because that is the best use of chemical warfare ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    If being thrown off a mountain didn't kill him, he doesn't really have to worry about gravity.
    If he can survive falling that distance, he shouldn't have to worry about blunt force trauma at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by pendell View Post
    Stupid question regarding the ring of feather fall:

    As discussed earlier in thread it activates automatically after a fall of five feet, then lasts for sixty seconds. As discussed, this isn't enough time to save someone who's falling off a really high mountain.
    It has been posted before but people seem to be missing it (although the rest of your post was on something different so you can probably ignore this). Falling off a mountain is not the same as falling off a cliff. To fall off a mountain and fall all the way to the bottom you need a lot of sideways momentum, even with your ring of feather fall extending the duration of your fall. DnD doesn't really model momentum at all (although arguments can be made for things like charge/shield bash/lances yada yada yada). Belkar getting thrown off isn't going to send him all the way to the bottom just 400-600 feet (made up numbers) vertically depending on how steep the mountain is at that point. Still enough to go splat without the ring, but a distance that is recoverable within the time frame of the Gods moot.
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    OOOH my mistake! I thought it started with silly nonsensical forum-created hypothetical situations but instead it started with silly nonsensical professionally-created D&D rules.

    That's much worse.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Seward View Post
    magic+silver actually. Magic+blunt is Liches.
    Ohh, you are right. Damnit, but at least I know where I got it from, cause I had been reading up on Lich and vampire creature features after some time spent in the geekery thread (this thread is pure brilliant evil btw).

    Well, there goes my theory that Belkar is trying to disarm the vampire (followed by a hilarious weapon shrinkage joke) to beat him with his own weapon.
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    magic+silver actually. Magic+blunt is Liches.
    So why did Niu have a spikey ball when expecting skeletons? I thought the joke was that this was the ideal weapon for liches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rift_Wolf View Post
    This... This sounds eerily possible. It'd explain how the vamps spread so quick when Durkon was on a tight timer.
    Not possible... Durkula got the staff with him. He loses it during the fight with Roy, but it seems pretty unlikely that someone picked it up and handed it to a vampire outside, even if it was something possible to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Miel View Post
    So why did Niu have a spikey ball when expecting skeletons? I thought the joke was that this was the ideal weapon for liches.
    That is a morningstar, it does piercing and bludgeoning damage. Note that she also has a warhammer and holy water.

    Quote Originally Posted by lenon3579 View Post
    Not possible... Durkula got the staff with him. He loses it during the fight with Roy, but it seems pretty unlikely that someone picked it up and handed it to a vampire outside, even if it was something possible to do.
    I think Landeraxe was implying that the staff Durkula had in the gathering isn't Malack's staff, and he lent the real one to one of the new vampires so they could fast vamp the Creed during the voting.
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