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Converting the Fetchling to 5e
Hmm, I was swimming through Pathfinder's archives and came across the Fetchling race, a race of people born in or converted by the Shadowfell and considering in my setting the Shadow is a very powerful force that's slowly absorbing the material plane, having a race of people to represent this realm is a very good idea. However, a lot of the powers the Fetchling has I'm not sure are balanced enough to work with 5e.
Let's deconstruct what they have:
Stats: +2 Dexterity, +2 Charisma, -2 Wisdom
This already poses a problem since we only have 2 positive stats and they are even. Do we make it a +2 Dex +1 Cha, a +2 Cha +1 Dex, or +2 X +1Dex/Cha
Type: Outsider(Native)
I feel this can best be swapped with the Feyness of an Elf or a Warforged's Inorganic Body where they don't need to worry about sustinance as much and sleep less often than other races
Size: Medium
No problem
Speed: 30
Again, no problem so far
Languages: Common
Maybe add some native Shadow Language also or something
Shadow Blending: Attacks against a fetchling in dim light have a 50% miss chance instead of the normal 20% miss chance. This ability does not grant total concealment; it just increases the miss chance.
I think this might work like a Dwarf's Stonecutting or a Gnome's Artificer's Lore, where the race might have Expertise when making a Stealth check, but only when in Dim or Darker Lighting
Shadow Resistance: Fetchlings have cold resistance 5 and electricity resistance 5.
This is a big problem since Resistance plays a much bigger role than it did before. You typically either have it or you don't. Heck, Dragonborn just have Resistance and a Breath Weapon really when you think about it. Either Cold or Lightning Resistance would be a powerful thing. I'd be more likely to throw them Cold Resistance, but still, a big power.
Skilled: Fetchlings have a +2 racial bonus on Knowledge (planes) and Stealth checks.
Again, like with resistance, having skills is a very tough thing to balance. It doesn't help that Knowledge(Planes) doesn't even exist in 5e anymore (last I checked), so I feel this isn't even worth considering.
Spell-Like Abilities: A fetchling can use disguise self once per day as a spell-like ability. He can assume the form of any humanoid creature. A fetchling's caster level is equal to his total Hit Dice. When a fetchling reaches 9th level in any combination of classes, he gains shadow walk (self only) as a spell-like ability usable once per day as a spell-like ability. A fetchling's caster level is equal to his total Hit Dice. When a fetchling reaches 13th level in any combination of classes, he gains plane shift (self only, to the Shadow Plane or the Material Plane only) usable once per day as a spell-like ability. A fetchling's caster level is equal to his total Hit Dice.
Disguise Self, Shadow Walk, and Plane Shift. Shadow Walk is pretty much reserved to Shadow Monks and Shadow Sorcerers. It could be replaced with Misty Step, but I'm reserved on doing that since I've got Eladrin in this setting already. Disguise Self may be a 1st level spell, So I have less issues with this, but it might be best to give this as a Racial Archetype. And a lesser Plane Shift? I get that these are higher level spell-like abilities, but I don't think giving Plane Shift as a Racial power works at all really.
Darkvision: 60ft color
I don't see any problems here
Low-Light Vision: Twice as Far as humans
In 5e I think Low-Light is just double Darkvision right?
And then there's the Ever Popular in Pathfinder, Alternate Racial Traits
Emissary: Roll Twice for Bluff and Diplomacy checks. Replaces Shadow Blending
So, Advantage on Persuasion and Deception checks, Might be balanced to give to Advantages in exchange for a situation Expertise, thoughts?
Gloom Shimmer: Replace Shadow Walk with Displacement
I think this might be the better option anyway and could replace Shadow Walk and Plane Shift. Displacement could be replaced with Blink, but send the person to the Shadowfell instead of the Etherial Plane. Would just need a Cantrip and you effective have a Cantrip/1st/3rd spell power that a lot of races get.
Shadow Agent: +2 Bonus to Bluff and Diplomacy. Replaces Skilled
Like I said before with Skilled
Shadow Magic: +1 bonus on the DC of any Illusion(Shadow) spell cast. Replaces Skilled.
Interesting idea, might work. not sure.
Subtle Manipulator: Replaces Disguise Self with Memory Lapse
Could instead be used to give the race the Friend Cantrip?
World Walker: Replaces a +2 on Knowledge(Planes) with a +1 in Knowledge(Nature) and Knowledge(Local)
at least these are skills that exist in 5e, but the bonus is even less.
So, What I'm thinking of is this
Stats: +1 Constitution
Size: Medium
Speed: 30ft
Outsider: [something, i don't know]
Shadowspirit: Whenever you make a Dexterity(Stealth) check to hide in an area Dimly Lit or Darker, you are considered proficient in the Stealth skill and add double your proficiency bonus to the check, instead of your normal proficiency bonus.
[type 1]
+2 Charisma
Subtle Manipulators: You have Advantage on Deception and Persuasion check
Cold Hearted: a Fetchling's heart and soul are naturally at a lower temperature than normal, giving them Resistance to all Cold Damage.
[type 2]
+2 Dexterity
Shadow Magic: You know the Friend cantrip. When you reach 3rd level, you can cast the Disguise Self spell once per day. When you reach 5th level, you can also cast the Blink spell once per day but with the target plane being the Shadowfell, instead of the Etherial Plane. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells.
This feels a bit empty though, so what might make this a better race to play as
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Re: Converting the Fetchling to 5e
Spoiler: ReasoningSpoiler: AbilitiesOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: TypeOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: Shadow BlendingOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Shadow Blending:While you are in an area of dim light, creatures attacking you effectively suffer the blinded condition.
This is pretty powerful, so I could understand toning it down to advantage on stealth checks and attack rolls while in an area of dim light.
Spoiler: Shadow ResistanceOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Shadow Resistance: You have advantage on all saving throws against effects that deal cold or lightning damage.
Spoiler: SkilledOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Ancestral Knowledge: Whenever you make an Intelligence(Arcana) or (History) check related to the planes, you add twice your proficiency bonus, instead of any proficiency bonus you normally apply.
Spoiler: Spell-like AbilitiesOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: Darkvision/Low-light VisionOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: Alternative Racial AbilitiesSpoiler: EmmisaryOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: Gloom ShimmerOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: Shadow AgentOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: Shadow MagicOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: Subtle ManipulatorOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: World WalkerOriginally Posted by deathbymanga
Spoiler: FetchlingAbility Score Increase:+1 Dex +1 Cha.
Size: Medium
Speed: 30 feet
Darkvision: Your ancestral ties to the Plane of Shadow grant superior vision in dark and dim conditions. You can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light. You can't discern color in darkness, only shades of gray.
Shadow Blending:While you are in an area of dim light, creatures attacking you effectively suffer the blinded condition.
Shadow Resistance: You have advantage on all saving throws against effects that deal cold or lightning damage.
DARKBORNE FETCHLING
Ability Score Increase:+1 Dex.
Ancestral Knowledge: Whenever you make an Intelligence(Arcana) or (History) check related to the planes, you add twice your proficiency bonus, instead of any proficiency bonus you normally apply.
Muddled Form: Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the Disguise Self spell once per day. Charisma is you spellcasting ability for this spell.
SOCIAL SHADE FETCHLING
Ability Score Increase:+1 Cha.
Shadow Agent: You gain advantage with either Charisma(Deception) or (Persuasion).
Shadow Walk: Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the Misty Step spell once per day. Charisma is you spellcasting ability for this spell.
Possibly replace Shadow Agent with
World Walker: Whenever you make an Intelligence(History) or (Nature) check related to local events, you add twice your proficiency bonus, instead of any proficiency bonus you normally apply.
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Re: Converting the Fetchling to 5e
Points analysis time!
Code:Jsketchy's Fetchling 2 ASI 0.5 Darkvision 1 Shadow Blending 0.5 Shadow Resistance SUBTOTAL: 4 Darkborne 1 ASI 0.5 Ancestral Knowledge 0.5 Muddled Form TOTAL: 6 Social Shade 1 ASI 0.5 Emissary / World Walker 1 Shadow Walk TOTAL: 6.5
Well... that's pretty much spot on. 6-6.5 is the score for the PHB human/variant human.
Note on innate spellcasting:
I would remove the level restriction from the spellcasting. Kind of like the DMG Eladrin. For my own races, I assign points as follows:
- Cantrip: 0.5
- Once/day 1st-level spell from level 1: 0.5
- Once/day 2nd-level spell from level 1: 1
- 1/3/5 casting (as per PHB tiefling): 1.5
- 1/3/5 casting with 2no cantrips and 2no 1st-level spells (as per my pixie): 2.5
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Re: Converting the Fetchling to 5e
Originally Posted by Ninja_PrawnLast edited by thoroughlyS; 2016-01-03 at 02:14 PM.
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Re: Converting the Fetchling to 5e
I really don't have a problem with once/day Misty Step, even at level 1. WotC obviously think it's ok, because they gave it to the eladrin. It's okay for there to be a slight difference between the subraces, too - Disguise Self is a perfectly respectable spell in its own right and I'm sure people would pick it even though Misty Step is on offer.
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Spoiler: FetchlingAbility Score Increase:+1 Dex +1 Cha.
Size: Medium
Speed: 30 feet
Darkvision: Your ancestral ties to the Plane of Shadow grant superior vision in dark and dim conditions. You can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light. You can't discern color in darkness, only shades of gray.
Shadow Blending:While you are in an area of dim light, creatures attacking you effectively suffer the blinded condition.
Shadow Resistance: You have advantage on all saving throws against effects that deal cold or lightning damage.
DARKBORNE FETCHLING
Ability Score Increase:[/B]+1 Dex.
Ancestral Knowledge: Whenever you make an Intelligence(Arcana) or (History) check related to the planes, you add twice your proficiency bonus, instead of any proficiency bonus you normally apply.
Muddled Form: Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the Disguise Self spell once per day. Charisma is you spellcasting ability for this spell.
SOCIAL SHADE FETCHLING
Ability Score Increase:[/B]+1 Cha.
Shadow Agent: You gain advantage with either Charisma(Deception) or (Persuasion).
Shadow Walk: Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the Misty Step spell once per day. Charisma is you spellcasting ability for this spell.
Possibly replace Shadow Agent with
World Walker: Whenever you make an Intelligence(History) or (Nature) check related to local events, you add twice your proficiency bonus, instead of any proficiency bonus you normally apply.
fairly certain neither disguise self nor misty step require an attack roll nor a save against (perhaps disguise maybe but still) so why include the casting stat?
I do like the way you split the ability bonuses thoughLast edited by deathbymanga; 2016-01-04 at 03:36 AM.
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Re: Converting the Fetchling to 5e
I'll be honest. I gave the Social Shade use of Misty Step, because giving them Disguise Self would've pigeonholed them into skillmonkey/face SO hard. I feel like this balances things out for them a little more. Plus, both subraces are equally tied to the Shadowfell, it is just expressed in different ways.
Originally Posted by deathbymanga
Originally Posted by deathbymangaLast edited by thoroughlyS; 2016-01-04 at 08:34 PM.
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When I saw this, I remembered that in 3.5/Pathfinder there was a spell that functioned similarly (I believed them to be identical) to displacement, but I couldn't think of the name. I recently re-discovered the blur spell.
Spoiler: DisplacementOriginally Posted by D&D v3.5 p.223
Spoiler: BlurOriginally Posted by D&D v3.5 p.206
Perhaps this might be useful?
Spoiler: FetchlingCHANGES IN RED
Ability Score Increase:+1 Dex +1 Cha.
Size: Medium
Speed: 30 feet
Darkvision: Your ancestral ties to the Plane of Shadow grant superior vision in dark and dim conditions. You can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light. You can't discern color in darkness, only shades of gray.
Shadow Blending:While you are in an area of dim light, you may treat creatures attacking you as suffering the blinded condition.
Shadow Resistance: You have advantage on all saving throws against effects that deal cold or lightning damage.
DARKBORNE FETCHLING
Ability Score Increase:[/B]+1 Dex.
Ancestral Knowledge: Whenever you make an Intelligence(Arcana) or (History) check related to the planes, you add twice your proficiency bonus, instead of any proficiency bonus you normally apply.
Shadow Walk: Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the disguise self spell once per day.Once you reach 5th level, you can cast the misty step spell once per day. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells.
SOCIAL SHADE FETCHLING
Ability Score Increase:[/B]+1 Cha.
Shadow Agent: You gain advantage with either Charisma(Deception) or (Persuasion).
Gloom Shimmer: Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the disguise self spell once per day.Once you reach 5th level, you can cast the blur spell once per day. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells.
This way the Darkborne Fetchling is the one with Misty Step. This does cause the issue with Social Shade Fetchlings getting Disguise Self. Does this make the race too powerful?Last edited by thoroughlyS; 2017-12-08 at 02:59 AM.
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Re: Converting the Fetchling to 5e
I feel the blinded condition might be a bit too powerful any day of the weak unless we make it a once a day thing and even then, makes more sense as a third racial power.
Plus if both halves get disguise self, then it might be better to put it under the complete race and not the archetypes.
both races get an illusionary disguise, can hide in dim light, and have advantage against cold and lightning damage.
Maybe give the race a Frostbite esque cantrip that does Necrotic damage? Or just give the Frostbite? though an offensive cantrip in addition to everything they have might again be too much.
I prefer Blur over Misty Step myself, though i feel if we're to give both sides spells, it might be better to give each a separate spell list instead of giving each 1 unique spell and 1 related spell.
I'm not really sure still
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Re: Converting the Fetchling to 5e
actually, upon revisiting my PHB, I realize that blinded isn't THAT bad a thing to have. And it only really serves to give the victim disadvantage, not that extreme (and you advantage if you have a parry power or some other reaction). I'd be ok with keeping it as it is
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Re: Converting the Fetchling to 5e
According to Ninja_Prawn, they'd be balanced against the core races. I think they're good.