[3.5/PF] GitP Regulars as Domains And Domain Feats

[Zaydos]

I would also suggest The Dragon and the George by Gordon R. Dickson. The movie The Flight of Dragons was based on two books The Dragon and the George and The Flight of Dragons, the latter they got the name, the protagonist's name, and the biology, the former they got the characters, and a fair bit of the premise.

That's not to say they're the same story (The Flight of Dragons is much more child oriented and bittersweet, The Dragon and the George is a fantasy novel from somebody who you can tell wrote sci-fi*).

*This is not an insult to its quality. Most all the best fantasy authors except Tolkien wrote sci-fi.

[Draconium]

I would also suggest The Dragon and the George by Gordon R. Dickson. The movie The Flight of Dragons was based on two books The Dragon and the George and The Flight of Dragons, the latter they got the name, the protagonist's name, and the biology, the former they got the characters, and a fair bit of the premise.

That's not to say they're the same story (The Flight of Dragons is much more child oriented and bittersweet, The Dragon and the George is a fantasy novel from somebody who you can tell wrote sci-fi*).

*This is not an insult to its quality. Most all the best fantasy authors except Tolkien wrote sci-fi.

I do like reading, so I'll keep your recommendation in mind. Thanks!

[Zaydos]

Say that again.

Flight of Dragons is a timeless classic. Capisce?

Do you see what you've done:

Ommadon's Heads of the Dark Dragon
Transmutation [Evil]
Level: Druid 8, Sorcerer/Wizard 8
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round/level

Invoking the powers of darkness and evil dragons you cause six fell, draconic heads to sprout from your back lashing out and biting at your foes.

When you cast this spell you grow 6 draconic heads from your back. These heads may make attacks of opportunity, and you are considered to have the Combat Reflexes feat for the purposes of their attacks of opportunity (if you do not already have it). These heads have 15 ft reach, 27 Strength your BAB and they may each attack 1/round during your turn as a free action dealing 2d8+8 (their strength modifier) damage per hit.

Adaptation: Remove a head to make it Tiamat themed and possibly a tad bit more balanced, but the Flight of Dragons reference wins out against the other considerations.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU USE GIFS.

[Red Fel]

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU USE GIFS.

So... Good times?

[Draconium]

So... Good times?

That's the understanding I got out of it. I should use more GIFs... Good thing I've begun hoarding them.

[Zaydos]

So... Good times?

That's the understanding I got out of it. I should use more GIFs... Good thing I've begun hoarding them.

IS THAT WHAT MY GROWING SIX HEADS FROM MY BACK WITH WHICH TO BITE AT YOU BOTH LOOKS LIKE TO YOU TWO? MAYBE I WAS ACTUALLY WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING. IZ42 ISN'T THE THREAD MASOCHIST.

Well yeah, I feed on GIFs after all.

[Segev]

Solution? Two different domains. One that involves you dying horribly or winding up abandoned, and one that involves you dying horribly or winding up abandoned after having your heart broken.

Yeah, but the one where you become an Omni-universal reality-warping god of time and space might be just a little overpowered.

Especially the Granted Power that lets you break the locks on universes from which you're banned just by getting some hapless successor to the Companion domain to say your title.

[Blackhawk748]

I'm going to assume that was deliberate, and punish murder you proportionately a lot.

Do you have a problem with White Dragons?

Also i'm up for this Theme song insanity

[illyahr]

Sorry, but I already have a theme song.

[Zaydos]

Sorry, but I already have a theme song.

See you just make me think of this song.

[Draconium]

Allow me to throw a random song into the mix - because I can. And it can be seen as the theme song for most D&D groups.

[NeoPhoenix0]

And now it's a party! (Caution: Link contents are insane.)

Now, that warning is unnecessary, those contents are very sane. Then again, I actively do not fully express myself on this site out of concern for my account getting banned. If you want I could link a truely insane song.

also, white dragons are superior chromatic specimens.

[illyahr]

See you just make me think of this song.

Ah, Blind Guardian. Did you know they performed a 'concert' in a video game? Sacred 2: Fallen Angel. Each of them had digital representations in the game. They performed a song called Sacred.

[Draconium]

also, white dragons are superior chromatic specimens.

You fill me with shame. As if White Dragons could be superior in anything.

[LoyalPaladin]

You fill me with shame. As if White Dragons could be superior in anything.

... My white dragon is superior.

[Draconium]

... My white dragon is superior.

The very fact it is your dragon disproves your statement. A truly superior dragon answers to none but themselves.

[Zaydos]

A recurring campaign idea I always want to run is a transplanar 'inn' that may or may not be a Far Realmian entity and/or a force of ancient and primal cosmic balance and/or nexus of reality that just happens to take the form of a sprawling inn which is bigger on the inside than all of its numerous outsides put together. The PCs would take the role of mercenaries or heroes who the inn has 'claimed' no longer depositing them where they come from (and if they got there it'd gobble them up again sometime) and so it's be a sort of episodic game where you save random worlds, fall in love and elope with the prince(ss) you saved only to have to return to your life as a barfly want it or not, and occasionally work for the one-eyed innkeep (this inn has shown up in some form or another in most of my campaigns for a decade and a half now, the innkeep has ranged from bald one-eyed ex-royal guard to being a one-eyed druid with a liking for big cats, to being a one-eyed dude with a fondness of ravens, to literally being Odin) when he needs something picked up from some world (I need a dragon's spleen, but not any dragon's, the type of dragon only found on this world, go get it, *boots you onto Athas*) or when the inn has broken/gotten sick in some way and rats/obyriths/Cthulhus have infested the basement.

So why do I mention this? Because I have a near perfect theme for it: Only one problem it's the Three Boars in my games.

Ah, Blind Guardian. Did you know they performed a 'concert' in a video game? Sacred 2: Fallen Angel. Each of them had digital representations in the game. They performed a song called Sacred.

No I did not, that is awesome, though. They also have Michael Moorcock and Tolkien themed albums. I do like Blind Guardian. Though to be honest I think of Van Canto's cover more than Blind Guardian's version for you for some reason.

[NeoPhoenix0]

well a red dragon can't even swim or dig without assistance and their only home field advantage if any is heat, assuming they have a large enough lair for them to fight in cause their only movement advantage is flight. at least the black, blue, and green each have either swim or burrow. A white dragon has an almost absolute advantage when fighting on their home turf, very few dragons can say that (well black dragons always have plans).

[Blackhawk748]

You fill me with shame. As if White Dragons could be superior in anything.

No we speak truth. The White Dragon has the highest AC of its CR among Chromatic Dragons, has 4 different movement modes, it has freezing fog (which is grease + solid fog) Icewalking is actually useful, their SLAs are very useful (Fog Cloud, Gust of Wind, Wall of Ice and Control Weather), and they get Hide and Move Silent as class skills.

What this all gets you is the worlds greatest ambush predator. They will either Hide up in the sky, in a blizzard or underground, slam into the party like the hammer of an angry god, and then leave with whatever they kill, only to return later to finish the job.

They may be the dumbest of Chromatic Dragons, but thats only because all that extra knowledge would just get in the way of them being the Frozen North's Apex Predator.

[Marlowe]

I would also suggest The Dragon and the George by Gordon R. Dickson. The movie The Flight of Dragons was based on two books The Dragon and the George and The Flight of Dragons, the latter they got the name, the protagonist's name, and the biology, the former they got the characters, and a fair bit of the premise.

That's not to say they're the same story (The Flight of Dragons is much more child oriented and bittersweet, The Dragon and the George is a fantasy novel from somebody who you can tell wrote sci-fi*).

*This is not an insult to its quality. Most all the best fantasy authors except Tolkien wrote sci-fi.

Sadly, I remember once picking one of these books up. The first page I turned to described Northumbria as an "Ancient Scottish Kingdom" (it's an Anglian kingdom, founded when most of the Scots were still in Ireland). At which point I realised that Dickson didn't really know anything about the era of which he was writing, replaced the book on the shelf, and never touched them again.

There seems to be a definite subgenre of "Semi-History Fantasy written by respected SF writing who seem to think that being respected SF writers excuses them from doing the most basic research."

I also loved Larry Niven's "The Magic Goes Away" for its role in "Assuming that New Zealand is just a quick canoe ride from Australia, and making that assumption part of supposedly intelligent people's plans."

[Draconium]

well a red dragon can't even swim or dig without assistance and their only home field advantage if any is heat, assuming they have a large enough lair for them to fight in cause their only movement advantage is flight. at least the black, blue, and green each have either swim or burrow. A white dragon has an almost absolute advantage when fighting on their home turf, very few dragons can say that (well black dragons always have plans).

So basically, you're telling me that the other dragons require a terrain advantage and need the crutch of more than two movement modes, correct? There is a reason Reds don't have those - we don't need them.

In all seriousness, I can see the advantage the other dragons have in that regard, but the Red Dragon has base stats that are better than all the other Chromatics, and they are the only Chromatics to hit Colossal size at Great Wyrm, while the others don't hit that size unless you use advanced age categories. With dragons, I tend to find that size is usually an indicator of power, prior to feats/magic items/spells. Not to mention, Red Dragons get spellcasting at an earlier age than the other Chromatics, which gives them a considerable power boost.

[NeoPhoenix0]

They need the stats and spellcasting to compare. Just don't turn this into a dragon v dragon thing, any dragon can kill any other dragon in one turn when you consider spellcasting.

[Draconium]

I'll just say this - while I recognize White Dragons are quite possibly he most difficult dragon to face for their CR, but I will always prefer the Red Dragon.

[Zaydos]

If you're going by game stats CR 19 Blue Dragon is stronger than CR 20 Black or Red and CR 19 Green or White (and has the same AC). All have the same Strength and Constitution, but Blue is smarter (all mental scores) than Black or White, has more HD than Red or Green as well as more SR, lower AC than the Black but more than Red or Green, and better spell casting than the Red or White. finally it has the best breath weapon damage (tied with red), though it's shape is unfortunate. Green which is a 1 HD less version of Blue and deals 18 less damage with breath weapon (bringing it down by between 20 and 25%) it's a cone, and might actually edge out for most powerful CR 19/20 dragon especially since it has better SLAs.

White ends up coming in as the weakest. 5th level spells to all the others' 6th means they can cast Freezing Fog to make up for its one advantage, it has better AC than the Red but only 1 better than the green while its breath weapon deals 1/2 the damage (average 38.5) and its SR is only 25% likely to work against unbuffed CL (as opposed to a mere 35%), 2 worse Frightful Presence. It just ends up as the second weakest of the five (red actually ends up the weakest, note also Great Wyrm is 6 CR in 4 Age Categories from here so Red still has a ton to gain).

In short: Red and White are beaten out spellcasting wise for their CR. White's attempt to make up for this is ambush tactics which can be really deadly, but with spellcasting any dragon can pull that off by around 6th level spells (actually before, and remember epic level children when going to a hostage exchange involving the king, cast Detect Magic True Seeing alone does not cut it and a blue dragon may be lurking underground nearby). White does probably come off as the strongest in the CR 14-16 range (due to Freezing Fog being that good), and at some of the lower CRs where their environmental advantages outweigh their disadvantage. Over all though any dragon is a dangerous creature for its CR and if I run a tavern of the planes now, instead of dire rats the basement will be infested with white dragons. Fight through a basement full of white dragons if you dare!

I'd actually give most dangerous to Blue or Green for non-stats related reasons. Both of them will take control of entire humanoid civilizations and turn them into weapons to kill you. Blue dragons enjoy playing the theocrat, and there's a reason greens get dominate and suggestion (for a well done green dragon read Dragonlance). Again though, that's because of their temperament.

[Blackhawk748]

For overall most dangerous id agree that it goes to Green or Blue because of their tendency to run large civilizations.

For personal combat i give it to the White Dragon because it acts like the Apex Predator it is. It has no vanity, pride or personal honor to play against it. It only has its survival drive and its hunger.

For most fun for the DM to play id say Black or Red. Red because you get to play the arrogant wyrm sitting upon his mountain of gold, smug and secure in his own superiority. Black because constantly going "Just as planned" behind the screen is way to much fun.

All in all, every Dragon is a potential TPK. Some do it with spells, some with their sheer size, and then some do it by pouncing on you from out of a glacier.

[Red Fel]

Also i'm up for this Theme song insanity

I'll be honest, I'm not sure where to pin you down. For some reason - I can't put my finger on it - I keep coming back to this.

Sorry, but I already have a theme song.

I figured yours was this one. Go figure.

I'll just say this - while I recognize White Dragons are quite possibly he most difficult dragon to face for their CR, but I will always prefer the Red Dragon.

You're not the only one. Ruth the Red Lightning shares your preference.


For certain definitions of "preference."
Although, to be fair, Red Dragons already have their own theme song, courtesy of Dick Saucer.


Those are actual lyrics. Somebody sings that. Genius.

[Blackhawk748]

I'll be honest, I'm not sure where to pin you down. For some reason - I can't put my finger on it - I keep coming back to this.

This may have to do with the fact that it mixes two bands i like. Also im pretty sure i've linked it before In any case im happy to have it as a theme song.

[Zaydos]

I'll be honest, I'm not sure where to pin you down. For some reason - I can't put my finger on it - I keep coming back to this.

Ah the song that got me into Van Canto.

I figured yours was this one. Go figure.

I thought that was mine and LP's team up theme.

[illyahr]

I thought that was mine and LP's team up theme.

It applies equally to you, me, and LP just because.

[Draconium]

You're not the only one. Ruth the Red Lightning shares your preference.

Er... that's not exactly what I personally meant. But hey, whatever floats your boat (or his boat, I guess).

Although, to be fair, Red Dragons already have their own theme song, courtesy of Dick Saucer.

Wait, are you-?

Those are actual lyrics. Somebody sings that. Genius.

You are serious.