[3.5/PF] GitP Regulars as Reserve Feats

[LoyalPaladin]

I'm breaking up with LP.

Somebody is playing MWO alone tonight.

I feel like I should be flattered. And slightly horrified. But no thanks, you can keep your attention off of me. I don't want it sullying my hoard.

You know you want it... please take it!

[Zaydos]

You know you want it... please take it!

Now, now, Loyal that's not very paladinic of you. Trying to pass off your creepy yandere to another, that's Neutral at best, I thought you were supposed to be a shining example of Good which through your acts showed us how to be Good. I'm almost ashamed.

[LoyalPaladin]

Now, now, Loyal that's not very paladinic of you. Trying to pass off your creepy yandere to another, that's Neutral at best, I thought you were supposed to be a shining example of Good which through your acts showed us how to be Good. I'm almost ashamed.

Ah, but you see I have a loop hole! It's not unlawful to pass off the yandere and it's not technically evil! Which means I can do it. As far as being the example of good, I'm obtaining from associating with a chaotic, possibly evil being! Draconium is a red dragon, so that's his shtick anyways!

[Draconium]

You know you want it... please take it!

No I don't, and no I won't.

As far as being the example of good, I'm obtaining from associating with a chaotic, possibly evil being! Draconium is a red dragon, so that's his shtick anyways!

Evil, yes. But I thought we established I'm Lawful? Because let's face it, Lawful Evil is the best Evil*. Or are you just saying that because I'm a Red Dragon, I'm automatically Chaotic? Because that's a vicious (albeit often true) stereotype!

*Note that this is my opinion, and does not objectively classify one type of Evil over another.

[Segev]

A module I wrote once involved a juvenile red dragon who had been infected with lycanthropy while under a powerful polymorph effect that rendered him human (and vulnerable to the curse). Due to various events, he deliberately accepted the curse for its alternate forms, and had his alignment shift to LE. This sparked a long-term plan to gain access to a human throne.

[LoyalPaladin]

Evil, yes. But I thought we established I'm Lawful? Because let's face it, Lawful Evil is the best Evil*. Or are you just saying that because I'm a Red Dragon, I'm automatically Chaotic? Because that's a vicious (albeit often true) stereotype!

I'm mostly saying the it's closer to your job than mine to handle this... matter. Now if there were evil acts being perpetrated, then it's my job and the yandere would be smote with no remorse.

[Draconium]

A module I wrote once involved a juvenile red dragon who had been infected with lycanthropy while under a powerful polymorph effect that rendered him human (and vulnerable to the curse). Due to various events, he deliberately accepted the curse for its alternate forms, and had his alignment shift to LE. This sparked a long-term plan to gain access to a human throne.

That actually sounds like an interesting plotline. Mind if I steal that for one of my games at some point?

I'm mostly saying the it's closer to your job than mine to handle this... matter. Now if there were evil acts being perpetrated, then it's my job and the yandere would be smote with no remorse.

You know, it'd be easier to smite a yandere if they you following you, rather than someone else.

[Red Fel]

Evil, yes. But I thought we established I'm Lawful? Because let's face it, Lawful Evil is the best Evil*.

*Note that this is my opinion, and does not objectively classify one type of Evil over another.

This is not a statement of opinion! LE is, in fact, objectively better than other forms of Evil!

Or are you just saying that because I'm a Red Dragon, I'm automatically Chaotic? Because that's a vicious (albeit often true) stereotype!

And now you're discriminating against Red Dragons who willingly chose to live the stereotype. Don't tell them how not to live their lives!

Because that's racist.

[LoyalPaladin]

You know, it'd be easier to smite a yandere if they you following you, rather than someone else.

That's where my loophole bites me...

As far as being the example of good, I'm obtaining from associating with a chaotic, possibly evil being! Draconium is a red dragon, so that's his shtick anyways!

[Draconium]

This is not a statement of opinion! LE is, in fact, objectively better than other forms of Evil!

Well, I suppose thie is true for us, at any rate.

And now you're discriminating against Red Dragons who willingly chose to live the stereotype. Don't tell them how not to live their lives!

Because that's racist.

Oh, if they choose to live the stereotype, that's not a problem. All I'm saying is that I don't.

[Segev]

This is not a statement of opinion! LE is, in fact, objectively better than other forms of Evil!

Nonsense. It is objectively just as good as CE. Both are more good than NE, which is, of course, the purest (and most pragmatic) evil. Objectively speaking.

And now you're discriminating against Red Dragons who willingly chose to live the stereotype. Don't tell them how not to live their lives!

Because that's racist.

I'll tell them how to live their lives if I have the power to force them to comply. That is the CE way, after all.


Edit:

That actually sounds like an interesting plotline. Mind if I steal that for one of my games at some point?

Feel free. The Lycanthropy in this case was wererat-based, for the record, hence the LE.

That module is the only one I was pleased with in the chain I was trying to create for a campaign; the dragon actually didn't even really come up in that one; he was a seeming background character who was going to become important later.

One of these days, I might lay out that whole overarching plot, and the bits I had fleshed out, and ask the Playground for help in developing it and the modules to fill the level spans.

[Snowbluff]

but is orange cute?

It can be, but that particular blue is pretty good.

-snipping insecure despotic stuff ;p -

From what anime is this? I don't recognize it.

Date A Live. The ova in particular. The black haired girl is the redeeming quality of an otherwise meh show.

Somebody is playing MWO alone tonight.

But where will I find free birth scum to demonstrate my relative superiority to? D:

Also, Sjlver will be missing his marauder buddy.

You know you want it... please take it!

Oh, you. I still have use for you.

You can't escape.

[Zaydos]

Ah, but you see I have a loop hole! It's not unlawful to pass off the yandere and it's not technically evil! Which means I can do it. As far as being the example of good, I'm obtaining from associating with a chaotic, possibly evil being! Draconium is a red dragon, so that's his shtick anyways!

Draconium's alignment does not matter, but his plans and actions. Even if he pings as Evil to Detect Evil if he has done nothing to harm others and is planning no such actions attempting to inflict harm on him is not justifiable. He has done nothing but provide a useful service to the community and has shown no signs of intending otherwise. Couple this with torture, such as inflicting a yandere on the unwilling, being an always Evil act your loophole is not looking too good.

Not to mention flagrant loophole abuse to avoid the spirit of the law being a hallmark of the Lawful Evil alignment.

[Illven]

Well to be fair. It could be legal for a LN nation to execute all people that are evil aligned.

Maybe LoyalPaladin, is really LoyalCavalier.

[Marlowe]

Well to be fair. It could be legal for a LN nation to execute all people that are evil aligned.

Maybe LoyalPaladin, is really LoyalCavalier.

And Good aligned as well. Just to make it even.

[Red Fel]

Nonsense. It is objectively just as good as CE. Both are more good than NE, which is, of course, the purest (and most pragmatic) evil. Objectively speaking.

The devs of D&D have always shown their biases! Good is better than Evil, Law is better than Chaos! That's why in later editions, the 9x9 grid was replaced with a scale leading from CE to LG! That's why Exalted, meaning ultra-Good, has an unstated presumption of Law, while Vile feats frequently involve obeisance to an Evil patron, a classic Lawful tendency!

LE is objectively the best Evil alignment! QED!

I'll tell them how to live their lives if I have the power to force them to comply. That is the CE way, after all.

Funny. You say that's the CE way, and yet I would do the same thing. Funny that.

[Blackhawk748]

Is this a freakin court debate?? This is absolutely nuts! This, this right here? This is why people become Chaotic and why i am Neutral.

[NeoPhoenix0]

Is this a freakin court debate?? This is absolutely nuts! This, this right here? This is why people become Chaotic and why i am Neutral.

Hey, those guys are just posers, they aren't really chaotic. Also, I think the weather where I am right now is some sort of dust like snowmist.

[khadgar567]

Hey, those guys are just posers, they aren't really chaotic. Also, I think the weather where I am right now is some sort of dust like snowmist.

Can Someone asked for popcorn because it's really fun to watch you guys bicker for petty reasons

[NeoPhoenix0]

Can Someone asked for popcorn because it's really fun to watch you guys bicker for petty reasons

You can have the bowl of lantern archons from many threads ago, I don't think anyone ate them.

[khadgar567]

You can have the bowl of lantern archons from many threads ago, I don't think anyone ate them.

nah hope just cook a fresh bowl so thanks and by the way I stole a shipment of Gilgamesh's wine care to join

[Segev]

The devs of D&D have always shown their biases! Good is better than Evil, Law is better than Chaos! That's why in later editions, the 9x9 grid was replaced with a scale leading from CE to LG! That's why Exalted, meaning ultra-Good, has an unstated presumption of Law, while Vile feats frequently involve obeisance to an Evil patron, a classic Lawful tendency!

LE is objectively the best Evil alignment! QED!

Nonsense. Law is not "better." "Better" implies "more good." And we all know that "Exalted" is one of your plots, Red Fel, to trick self-righteous LG types into adhering to a more rigid code which also happens to "justify" some pretty Evil acts, so please, let's not use a false premise to support your logical argument.

Law is simply more lawful. And LN is more Lawful than LG or LE, being uncorrupted by petty morals to get in the way of the pure logic of adherence to the rules. Whatever the rules are.

A well-attempted argument, my LE colleague, but it does not hold water. Water, after all flows downhill. And NE is the lowest of points on the alignment ring, not CE. Therefore, LE is no "better" than CE.

Funny. You say that's the CE way, and yet I would do the same thing. Funny that.

Only because they won't obey you if you don't. I mean, they are CE.

[LoyalPaladin]

And we all know that "Exalted" is one of your plots, Red Fel, to trick self-righteous LG types into adhering to a more rigid code which also happens to "justify" some pretty Evil acts, so please, let's not use a false premise to support your logical argument.

Actually, 14,000 years ago Red Fel and I gathered at weak point between the planes of Celestia and Baator to write the Book of Exalted Deeds and Book of Vile Darkness. We wrote these together to keep the balance of good and evil. However, the power of the books was so strongly opposed that it shattered the bridge between planes and created the Abyss. Red and I have been dealing with that mistake ever since.

tl;dr Chaos is a nuisance.

[ThinkMinty]

I would like to see what kind of feat I'd get turned into. And to be fair, I'll attempt one, although looking at it, it may be a touch on the broken side.

Snow's Bluff [Reserve]
Your brisk, clear delivery makes you seem credible.
Prerequisite: Able to cast 4th level [Cold] spells
Effect: As long as you have a 4th-level or higher Cold spell available to cast, you apply a +1 bonus per caster level (maximum +20) on Bluff checks made to convince others of the truth of your words. This bonus is not voluntary, and is a (Su) effect.

If a magical effect is used against you that would detect your lies or force you to speak the truth, the user of the effect must succeed on a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) against a DC of 5 + your caster level to succeed. Failure means the effect does not detect your lies or force you to speak only the truth, but the source of the effect takes 1 point of Strength damage unless it succeeds a Fortitude saving throw.

Special: You get a +1 competence bonus to your caster level when casting Cold spells. Additionally, your breath is always cold enough to be seen whenever you speak.

A scaling partial Glibness-ish effect with a cold theme and mildly creepy things going on.

[khadgar567]

Actually, 14,000 years ago Red Fel and I gathered at weak point between the planes of Celestia and Baator to write the Book of Exalted Deeds and Book of Vile Darkness. We wrote these together to keep the balance of good and evil. However, the power of the books was so strongly opposed that it shattered the bridge between planes and created the Abyss. Red and I have been dealing with that mistake ever since.

tl;dr Chaos is a nuisance.

guys lp just fallen to the idiot side

[Red Fel]

Red and I have been dealing with that mistake ever since.

Yes. We have been dealing with your mistake.

[ThinkMinty]

Actually, 14,000 years ago Red Fel and I gathered at weak point between the planes of Celestia and Baator to write the Book of Exalted Deeds and Book of Vile Darkness. We wrote these together to keep the balance of good and evil. However, the power of the books was so strongly opposed that it shattered the bridge between planes and created the Abyss. Red and I have been dealing with that mistake ever since.

tl;dr Chaos is a nuisance.

Chaos is wonderful, it's what Evil does with Chaos that profanes its freedoms and delights into something awful.

[LoyalPaladin]

Yes. We have been dealing with your mistake.

Look, I wanted to create the Hollyphant. Is that so wrong?

[khadgar567]

Look, I wanted to create the Hollyphant. Is that so wrong?

wtf mate? Are your head nice man I think paladin with your credentials has more sanity guess fighting Cthulhu to many times burn that pea sized sanity of yours. thank god I have a feat that make me semi immune to it by virtue of semi burning my sanity when I still young ( hidden demon hunter feature)

[Red Fel]

Look, I wanted to create the Hollyphant. Is that so wrong?

You're asking me what wrong is?

I'mma need you to think about that for a minute.