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5e Silverbrow
Here's my first draft for the Silverbrow Humans in 5e.
Right now, they feel a little underpowered...mostly because Dragonblood is a detriment for the most part.
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Constitution and Charisma, checks out.
Cold resistance-handy, but only so much.
Yeah, they need more. A decent amount more. Maybe a breath attack? But that steps on the Dragonborn's toes.
Maybe treasure sense? I dunno. Or Persuasion Proficiency? Since silver dragons are rather diplomatic.I have a LOT of Homebrew!
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2016-02-14, 01:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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With what they currently have, I'd say it'd be reasonable to give them the Frostbite cantrip, based on charisma, because currently they don't have enough going for them, and it fits with the cold theme. Something else could work, too, but it definitely feels like they need a small boost from what they have now.
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But I'd definitely multi-class Druid with those stats.
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2016-02-14, 02:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, not nearly as good as fire resistance, but still handy.
I had thought about this, but the race has never gotten a breath weapon, and the fluff doesn't particularly support it.
That's a possibility.
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2016-02-14, 03:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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M'kay. I have a cold themed version of the melee cantrips that I might give to them.
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I like it.
The general consensus seems to be that the Silverbrow is not getting enough, with the dragonblood being the clear downside, that may or may not be a major issue. Maybe also make it a possible upside. Advantage on resisting fear/charm from dragons for example?
In 3.5 Silverbrow got a bonus on disguise because :"Their ancestors’ need to guard their identities against those who feared or hated them has become second nature to silverbrow humans." Free Deception proficiency could fit the concept of hiding your true identity quite well. The proficiency on persuasion mentioned above would also sort of fit the hiding identity, while being in line with charismatic and diplomatic silver dragons in general.Last edited by Seruvius; 2016-02-14 at 05:23 AM.
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Yeah this seems a bit weak. The stats are good for a sorcerer or bard, and the racials are decent, but it doesn't get enough to really compete. Comparing it to a half-elf, the other big contender:
Half-Elf Advantages
- +1 Cha- big deal if you have an even Cha score
- +1 free stat, so likely +1 dex- very useful for casters
- Two skills- versatility
- An extra language- mostly a ribbon, but campaign-dependant
Silverbrow advantages
- +1 Con- useful for keeping concentration
- Cold resistance- nice, not gamebreaking but can come in handy
- Racial spells. Feather fall is super situational, so you won't use it most days. Alter self is very good, and is probably the main thing this race gets. A nice addition, but not a huge power increase
Both get a super-situational advantage on specific effects, so that's a wash. Silverbrow also have a situational weakness. On balance, half-elf seems much better optimization-wise.
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On Misicus' scale they're currently sitting at a 5.5.
ASI (3)
Darkvision (.5)
Damage Resistance (.5)
Innate Spellcasting (1)
Dragonblood (.5)
Usually, as I understand it, the guidelines are to stay between 5 and 6.5 (which is the half-elf) but races can go up as far as 8 (dwarf).
I'd say giving them another cantrip would probably bring them up to par with the existing races, OR replace thaumaturgy with your proposed cantrip.
Currently they are perfectly balanced against the tiefling, and they have even better stats for being a sorcerer.Last edited by GandalfTheWhite; 2016-02-14 at 07:21 PM.
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Personally I don't think you need to add anything to them. This iteration already gets more than they did in 3.5, when they were created. However, if you had to give 'em something extra, I would say maybe allow their racial spells to recharge (5-6) whenever they're cast. And they only recharge if you get that 5-6 on the first roll, you don't make it every turn. If you don't roll 5-6, you've gotta long rest.
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I said that to point out that the OP has exhausted all of the mechanics that they got previously, so if he adds anything *new* he'll need to add a fluff reason for it.
If we're gonna say universal advantage against being frightened, I would say the OP should drop it out of dragonblood, and give them "Brave." It would look something like this, for balancing:
ASI 3
Darkvision .5
Damage Resistance .5
Innate Spellcasting 1
Dragonblood -.5
Brave .5
For a grand total of 5, which is weaker than they currently are.
Maybe a bonus hit point per level?
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Okay, the silverbrow now sit at a 6 on the Miscius' scale.
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Holy f*ck! It's the Silverbrow! I love them!! Are you going to do the other dragon races?
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I have written up the fluff for the Silverbrow, and I will be making the PDF over the next couple of days
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Yeah I definitely agree with you. HotDQ felt quite rushed (issues with CR, issues with wording etc.) so it seems they had their work cut out getting everything out in time. On the other hand, OotA didn't have a player companion, which it definitely could have had. Some awesome demon/underdark themed aspects would've been quite tasty.
I just had a thought. Now that you have done the silverbrow justice, maybe try converting some of the other dragon blooded races? Deepwyrm Drow, Fireblood Dwarves, Forestlord Elves etc. I would do them myself, but I doubt I could do them justiceGENERATION 17: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig and add 1 to the generation. social experiment.
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GENERATION 17: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig and add 1 to the generation. social experiment.
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GENERATION 17: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig and add 1 to the generation. social experiment.
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But I'd definitely multi-class Druid with those stats.
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