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    Default Junkyard Wars XIV: Racial Paragon Classes + Spellcasting - Base Classes

    Oh god what have I done.
    Welcome to Junkyard Stadium! It is in this hallowed pile of miscellaneous parts that we will hold a competition of Practical Optimization with three components. The catch? Competitors may not use the third item in their builds!

    Goal: Create a build that showcases the selected ingredients while steering clear of the Forbidden Ingredient.


    This competition has two Necessary Components and one Forbidden Component. This round's components are...

    • Necessary: From Unearthed Arcana (mostly)... Racial Paragon Classes!
    • Necessary: From lots of sources... Spellcasting!
    • Forbidden: From lots of sources... All non-paragon base classes!


    I know what you're thinking. "No base classes? But Dire_Stirge, how will we create rules-legal builds?" Well, that's where those racial paragon classes are for! Most builds will probably want to take their first few levels in one, but I can think of at least one way to delay taking them until mid-levels.

    The spellcasting requirement is just there to encourage creative thinking while also letting people showcase prestige classes with standalone casting (another thing I feel is undervalued in optimization).

    Note that anything 'casting-like' such as psionics, meldshaping, or shadow magic, still counts as 'spellcasting' for the purpose of this contest.

    Basically, this competition will focus on originality and working under restraints over power and versatility.

    Round-Specific FAQ

    If I somehow qualify for more than one paragon class, can I take levels in both?
    Yes, except if you qualify through form-altering magic (whatever they meant by that). For example, when playing a Human Paragon, killing yourself and Reincarnating as an elf won't let you take Elf Paragon levels.

    Do NPC classes count as base classes?
    Yes they do.

    What counts as 'spellcasting' for the purpose of the contest?
    Psionics, shadowcasting, truenaming, incarnum, pact magic, and all other such alternative magic systems all count. If a racial paragon class grants you an unspecified level of spellcasting advancement, you can apply it to any of those subsystems.

    Contestants:

    The rules are as follows:
    • Creation: 32 point-buy is the presumed creation method. You may assume that you will have enough exp to reach ECL 20, and that the occasional bit of crafting, use of spells with exp components, or the like won't prevent you from doing so. However, LA buyoff is an alternate rule which is not in play.
    • Workshop: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon Magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. If you use web material, please link it. Dragon Magazine Compendium is allowed, as are Oriental Adventures and the Dragonlance Campaign Setting. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt and fractional saves are not allowed, as they create a different playing field.
    • Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until after the reveal in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
    • Disputes: Any scoring disputes should be sent to the Chair via PM. Valid disputes include RAW misreadings, arithmetic errors, things missed that are present in the entry, and inconsistently applied criteria. Invalid disputes include disagreements on matters of opinion, a judge not catching something not explicitly presented in the entry, and the like. Invalid disputes will be responded to via PM by the Chair, but valid disputes will be posted in-thread for the judge to review. When disputing, please indicate the judge the dispute is intended for and provide a quote of the disputed comment or comments. Note: the Chair may edit or paraphrase any disputes in presenting them to the judges.
    • Leadership is banned: We're creating one thing, not all of the things. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.
    • Presentation: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability throughout its life. Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries. Also for this reason, PLEASE do not include any material that may or may not offend any potential viewers/judges/competitors OR break forum rules. Any builds which violate forum rules WILL be withheld from posting.


    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, please use the following table for their entry.
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    NAME OF ENTRY
    Level Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features
    1st New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    2nd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    3rd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    4th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    5th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    6th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    7th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    8th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    9th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    10th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    11th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    12th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    13th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    14th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    15th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    16th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    17th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    18th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    19th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    20th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities

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    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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    [tr]
    [td]2nd[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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    [td]3rd[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]6th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
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    [td]7th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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    [td]8th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]9th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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    [td]10th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]11th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]12th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]13th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]14th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]15th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]16th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]17th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]18th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
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    [td]Skills[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]19th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
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    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20th[/td]
    [td]New Class Level[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]+x[/td]
    [td]Skills[/td]
    [td]Feats[/td]
    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
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    Spells per Day/Spells Known
    Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
    1st - - - - - - - - - -
    2nd - - - - - - - - - -
    3rd - - - - - - - - - -
    4th - - - - - - - - - -
    5th - - - - - - - - - -
    6th - - - - - - - - - -
    7th - - - - - - - - - -
    8th - - - - - - - - - -
    9th - - - - - - - - - -
    10th - - - - - - - - - -
    11th - - - - - - - - - -
    12th - - - - - - - - - -
    13th - - - - - - - - - -
    14th - - - - - - - - - -
    15th - - - - - - - - - -
    16th - - - - - - - - - -
    17th - - - - - - - - - -
    18th - - - - - - - - - -
    19th - - - - - - - - - -
    20th - - - - - - - - - -
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    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
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    [tr]
    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]
    [th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]
    [th][B]1st[/B][/th]
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    [th][B]6th[/B][/th]
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    [th][B]9th[/B][/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]1st[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [td]-[/td]
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    [td]3rd[/td]
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    [td]5th[/td]
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    [td]6th[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]7th[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
    [td]-[/td]
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    [td]-[/td]
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    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]8th[/td]
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    [td]9th[/td]
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    [td]10th[/td]
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    [td]11th[/td]
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    [td]12th[/td]
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    [td]13th[/td]
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    [td]14th[/td]
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    [td]15th[/td]
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    [td]20th[/td]
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    [td]-[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.

    Judges:

    • Scoring: Each judge is required to provide the criteria by which they are judging the builds. By "criteria," we mean a simple explanation of what the judge is looking for in each of the below categories and what kind of scoring we can expect. If a judge deems a build to be illegal, they may provide a 0 in Elegance but may not refuse to judge any build presented by the Chairman.
    • The Categories: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Components.
      • Originality: Is the build unique? Does it deviate from the obvious? Does it forge its own path, or does it fall back on common, established optimization tricks? Some judges score entries for the quality of their concept & backstory as well, though not all do. Providing at least some backstory is heavily encouraged, as it helps the judges figure out who the entry is. Note that the purpose of this category is not to penalize entries that independently came up with the same idea as another entry, but rather to reward entries that explore underutilized and non-obvious areas of optimization, so, judges, try not to base your judging in this category too heavily on what other builds are doing. Multiple entries using the same element may certainly be evidence that the element is unoriginal, but you shouldn't impose anything like a "-1 for each other build using the same class" penalty.
      • Power: Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
      • Elegance: This category was formerly titled "Build Stability." Here, we're essentially measuring how skillfully you put your build together and how you balanced flavor with power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing (meaning any multiclassing that results in an xp penalty), and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, may lose you points. Rule adherence and legality of sources is scored under this category; additionally, reliance on a questionable, controversial, or ambiguous ruling can and should result in a deduction. Neither the number of sources nor their relative obscurity should be penalized--contestants should feel free to use any books they like. Dipping should not be penalized unless it results in a multiclass xp penalty; if the system won't penalize it, neither should judges.
      • Use of Components: Was the Forbidden Component avoided? Were the Necessary Components showcased, or simply used because they were necessary?
    • Disputes: Any scoring disputes will be posted by the Chairman in-thread after reviewing them privately. Valid disputes include RAW misreadings, arithmetic errors, things missed that are present in the entry, and inconsistently applied criteria. Invalid disputes include disagreements on matters of opinion, a judge not catching something not explicitly presented in the entry, and the like. Invalid disputes will be responded to via PM by the Chair, but valid disputes should be responded to by each individual judge. Judges are obligated to respond to disputes to ensure that everyone gets a fair shake. A judge's scores will only be recognized if they have recognized all disputes. In the absence of any other judges, the entries will be judged by the chairman.


    Completion Time:
    • Contestants will have until 11:59 PM GMT Saturday March 12th to create their builds and PM them to the chairman.
    • Builds will then be posted simultaneously to avoid copying.
    • Judges will have until 11:59 PM GMT Saturday March 26th to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.
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    Interested in this. The only non unearthed arcana class I managed to find is the Kobold Paragon. Do others exist? Does anyone have a list of them?

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    Interested as a competitor. I'm really intrigued about the no base class limitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread_Head View Post
    Interested in this. The only non unearthed arcana class I managed to find is the Kobold Paragon. Do others exist? Does anyone have a list of them?
    I think Kobold paragon is the only one ...

    ... i think i have a very cute idea.
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    Question:

    Does it have to explicitly be spellcasting, or can other kinds of casting working roughly similary do (Psionics, Shadow Magic, Infusions, truespeaking)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sian View Post
    Question:

    Does it have to explicitly be spellcasting, or can other kinds of casting working roughly similary do (Psionics, Shadow Magic, Infusions, truespeaking)
    Extending from this, while we're on the topic of round stipulations:

    What constitutes a "base" class? Do NPC classes count? I'm honestly having trouble finding many ways to branch off into prestige classes directly from a racial paragon class, so I feel like I'm missing something here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sian View Post
    Question:

    Does it have to explicitly be spellcasting, or can other kinds of casting working roughly similary do (Psionics, Shadow Magic, Infusions, truespeaking)
    I honestly can't think of a non-base class that grants those, but if you find one go ahead and count it as spellcasting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muggins View Post
    Extending from this, while we're on the topic of round stipulations:

    What constitutes a "base" class? Do NPC classes count? I'm honestly having trouble finding many ways to branch off into prestige classes directly from a racial paragon class, so I feel like I'm missing something here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dire_Stirge View Post
    I honestly can't think of a non-base class that grants those, but if you find one go ahead and count it as spellcasting.
    ... Then you're not thinking hard enough ... off the top of my head i can count at least 5 ... 3 of them being psionic, and i'm fairly certain that i'm not remembering them all.

    Edit: Actually ... in length af that, can we also count the unspecific +spellcaster level (such as those Humans and Half-elves get) as any of those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sian View Post
    Edit: Actually ... in length af that, can we also count the unspecific +spellcaster level (such as those Humans and Half-elves get) as any of those?
    Hm... If it's unspecified, yes. If it specifies a class (such as gnome paragon only advancing bard) then no.
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    Still looking for more judges and competitioners!
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    I've never done an optimization contest before, but this one piques my interest because of just how restrictive it is. I may try to enter this one.

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    I might have a crack at an entry.

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    I'm definitely considering an entry. If nothing else I may post a build stub afterwards.
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    hmm ... found myself reading up on 2nd edition lore to defend a theoretical choice that I know i'm not going to do, but found quite interesting. Specificly, that Dwarves, as per Dwarves' Deep (Module FR11), can breed with both Humans, Gnomes and Halflings (and rarely, elves), although mechanically, all half-dwarves are Dwarves, and if they, themselves breed with a pureblooded Dwarf, the result is a pureblooded dwarf, while if they breed with another half-dwarf or something else, it's still a half-dwarf, mechanically a dwarf
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    Are racial HD allowed?

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    They are. Just remember that most things with RHD won't qualify for a racial paragon class.
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    I think that Human Heritage can qualify you for Human Paragon.

    How much do we have to emphasize the Paragon classes? They don't have very many class features...

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    What does being a judge require? What do they have to do?
    Firstly, please refrain from discussing possible characters in this thread.

    Secondly, a judge's job is to create/shamelessly copy criteria they believe are important for a well-built character (check out previous threads to get an idea of what I mean), then judge every submitted build. The builds that are rated highest by all judges combined are awarded first, second, and third places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dire_Stirge View Post
    Firstly, please refrain from discussing possible characters in this thread.
    Agreed - discussion of builds, feats or races is generally discouraged in these types of comps. Someone might have had what they thought was an original idea, but then see someone post about something similar.

    Most of the fun in these things (both for competitors and spectators) is waiting for the reveal to see what ideas people came up with.

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    I've always like JW. I have a thought for this one. We'll see how my schedule looks for building and submitting an entry.
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    just noticed that invisiblecastle is down ... anyone have a good stat calculator that i can use?

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    just noticed that invisiblecastle is down ... anyone have a good stat calculator that i can use?
    How's this? It lets you reduce stats below 8, but remember that that can't be done RAW.
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    I have an idea. A highly silly idea, but an idea nonetheless.

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    Can someone explain WYSIWYG mode or point me to a short tutorial on formatting tables? I'm pretty sure I saw such a thread once.

    Having wrestled with the table for a recent comp entry to the point where I felt like I was taking taking a test back at school that I hadn't studied for and suddenly realized I wasn't wearing pants, I'd love any tips on how to make it easier.

    Unless I'm imagining it, someone had a way to import CSV data from Excel into the tables?

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    They are. Just remember that most things with RHD won't qualify for a racial paragon class.
    Sure they can. Pretty much anything qualifies for Half-Dragon Paragon. The downside is that you'd have a million LA, and you'd have to use Half-Dragon Paragon, so...good luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Can someone explain WYSIWYG mode or point me to a short tutorial on formatting tables? I'm pretty sure I saw such a thread once.

    Having wrestled with the table for a recent comp entry to the point where I felt like I was taking taking a test back at school that I hadn't studied for and suddenly realized I wasn't wearing pants, I'd love any tips on how to make it easier.

    Unless I'm imagining it, someone had a way to import CSV data from Excel into the tables?
    Click the button on the upper left of the button... place... thing. You know, the one with the A on it. Uppermost leftmost button. (I'm on mobile, or I'd post a screenshot.) That'll toggle WYSIWYG mode. From there, you can use the table buttons on the lower row to edit tables easily—add or delete rows and columns, etc. You can also highlight sections of a table in Excel, Ctrl+C those squares to the clipboard, and Ctrl+V them into your post.

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    Honestly, Thurbane? I'd just go to an old Iron Chef, before the board upgrade, nab the table from there, work off that and convert it.

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    Honestly, Thurbane? I'd just go to an old Iron Chef, before the board upgrade, nab the table from there, work off that and convert it.

    Not gonna lie, that's what I've been doing.
    ugh ... while the old table had its charms, after getting used to the new one its much more convenient, specially in terms of how readable it is in raw code.

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    Sure they can. Pretty much anything qualifies for Half-Dragon Paragon. The downside is that you'd have a million LA, and you'd have to use Half-Dragon Paragon, so...good luck.
    Aaaaand that was one of the things I was trying not to mention.

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