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2016-03-16, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Keep A,C,D,E
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2016-03-16, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2016-03-16, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Keep A, E, remove B, C, D. I propose moving E to the "storytelling mistakes?" category.
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2016-03-16, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Remove B, keep the rest.
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2016-03-16, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
OK.
- Protection from Law is Illegal in Many Places remains; the vote was 27 to keep, 14 to remove.
- Durkon Throws Diamond Dust failed to remain; the vote was 7 to keep, 34 to remove.
- Orrin Draketooth's Daughter failed to remain; the vote was 9 to keep, 32 to remove.
- Haley's Boots of Speed failed to remain; the vote was 10 to keep, 31 to remove.
- Elan's Rapiers remains; the vote was 26 to keep, 15 to remove.
The three entries have been removed from the Index.
I'm not sure an unmentioned detail rises to the level of being, or appearing to be, a "storytelling mistake".FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2016-03-17, 06:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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2016-03-17, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Indeed. And my reasoning is also: out of context it is an unimportant detail that Elan owns two rapiers (and a chaos saber). That's why it was proposed for removal. But the linked quote actually answered the question why Elan could use a rapier even though he lost a rapier earlier. If I'm looking for a quote that answers that question, the "storytelling mistakes" category is where I look first.
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2016-03-17, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-03-17, 04:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Actually, none of the things mentioned in the "storytelling mistakes" category are actually mistakes.
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2016-03-17, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Well, technically, the category is "storytelling mistakes?", implying that without the quotes, these things could be construed as mistakes, and the quotes help explain why they are not.
That said, I posit that all the things mentioned everywhere else are storytelling mistakes. I've heard that repeating jokes only makes them better.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2016-03-17, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2016-03-17, 06:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
It makes more sense in the "Storytelling Mistakes?" though. Let the C&LG thread track the items.
Edit: In fact, it is not a (apparent) clash with D&D rules nor a explanation based on them. It's a (apparent) plot hole with no relation with rules. If Rich had explained it as a Sleight of Hand check, than it would belong where it is.Last edited by Pyrous; 2016-03-17 at 08:38 PM.
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2016-03-18, 01:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
This would be a much more convincing scenario if the question was actually in the quote. Since it's not, the best case scenario for moving the entry would involve redoing the title and description to make it apparent what sort of supposed discrepancy is resolved...assuming such a move is in fact warranted, which I'm still not convinced of.
"Storytelling Mistakes?" and "Plot Holes" are similar in that they're both responses to critiques of the writing. The difference is that "Storytelling Mistakes" entries are responses about the quality of depictions within the comic, whereas "Plot Holes" are responses to suggestions that the arc of the comic is contradicting earlier arcs of the comic. (That's why the recent afterlife tweets are in Storytelling Mistakes despite the heart of the matter being the apparent contradiction with Roy's memory assessment from earlier; Roy's memory was expressed in an aside that had no bearing on events, so had nothing to do with the arc of the comic).
The two rapiers bit doesn't really fit in either; there really isn't anything unusual in items appearing when needed (unless you're Roy), and Elan having a rapier all of a sudden didn't affect events. Admittedly this could be splitting hairs (instead of bananas, which is both painful and cold), but categorization in general is defining divisions of hairs; it's not always easy to tell if individual hairs are being split or if it's just grouping of multiple hairs. It's not folly, but it could be follicle.
....We track quotes. Whether a particular quote discusses items or not has no bearing on that.Last edited by Jasdoif; 2016-03-18 at 01:31 AM.
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2016-03-18, 05:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I don't quite see why that would be more convincing, but it you need that, then, well, the question is indeed in the quote: It's the thread title. Besides, the Giant's "HA!" response can't be explained any other way I can think of. If you read the whole thread (it's not long), it's also very clear a mistake was what the posters had in mind.
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2016-03-18, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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2016-03-23, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
For de-cluttering the index, I propose the following two items for deletion
Section: Supporting The Strip
An OOTS "Munchkin" Board Game?
No current plans for one.
An OOTS Computer Game?
No current plans for one. See here for more..
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2016-03-24, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I oppose. It still meets the rules, there's no indication it's become redundant, and there's no rule about "only one person asking." Seems like some semblance of a changed circumstance should be necessary before removing, especially when we're still using the lopsided +2 rule to keep things in the index.
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2016-03-24, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I oppose as well.
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2016-03-24, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Particularly the computer game idea is recurring.
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2016-03-24, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2016-03-24, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Even if that were the only reason proposed to remove the Haley/Orrin quote, that wouldn't be a reason to continue in that vein.
In any event, someone pointed to a change in circumstances that could, arguably, be said to render the quote redundant: that familicide did not kill Haley. There's nothing like that for the quotes currently in question.
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2016-03-24, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
At some point we need to ask ourselves: Is the mission of the index being served by retaining this quote? I have personally never seen anyone ask that question in the 2+ years ive been here. If the questions are there and Ive just not seen them, then I guess the answer is yes, the mission is being served. Otherwise, I think were better off taking it out, because its just clutter.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Wow! Two whole years? And you've read every thread not only in the Order forum but also those related to gaming where this may have come up? Impressive!
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Seriously though, we're nine pages into this new thread and most of the discussion has been about removing 'clutter'. As far as this nebulous "mission of the index" is concerned, for some of us that went out the window when voting was introduced. It used to be when the index popped to the top of the list it meant a new quote to read which was useful since I, for one, do not have time to read each and every post myself. But those days are long gone.