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2016-03-05, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Problematic player help (?)
Hi,a friend of mine is DMing a 3.5 game (i'm one of the players) and we kind of need some help here, i´ll let him talk:
Hi, I am DMing a hombrew 3.5 campaign and I have a problem with a CE character that doesn’t accept (as a player) the consequences of her actions. She is playing a hostile character that systematically insults and offends NPC way stronger than her and when they act accordingly, gets mad and disrupts the session to the point of ending it.
I rather not kick her out of the party because the problem lies on the PC/player combination. She is unreasonable to arguments like: “actions must have consequences”, “The world needs coherence” and such. She is also slightly volatile and it’s hard to talk outside of the table.
If the diplomatic route turns ineffective, killing the character is a good option. Not only the party agrees, but some are willing to let themselves die in order for it to look like an accident, in order for her not to get offended. Any idea will help.
She is a homebrew red dragon ECL 13:
– weakness to cold
– low Will saves
– Large size
– Bad maneuverability fly
– High HP
– disgusted by water and incredibly greedy
Thanks for the advice, and ask if you need any other info on the party/campaign!just a noob, but hey! a crazy one
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2016-03-05, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Problematic player help (?)
Right. Talk to her OOC. If she doesn't listen? Don't invite her next time. People who refuse to listen to OOC talk are not good players.
DO NOT try IC solutions. This is very much an OOC problem.
And if it really is an IC problem, just make her reroll a new character. But again, I stress this very much-TALK TO HER IN REAL LIFE. That is always the best answer.I have a LOT of Homebrew!
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2016-03-05, 07:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Problematic player help (?)
I agree with JNA. This is an OOC problem.
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2016-03-05, 08:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-03-05, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Problematic player help (?)
You might have a bit of a game problem. This is a high level game, right? So you shouldn't be "interacting" with NPC's that are anything like normal people. The average 13+ level NPC won't care about the childish actions of a person. Does an adult care what a two year old says or does?
So the DM might need to up the level of the game.
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2016-03-05, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Problematic player help (?)
Fourthed. OOC problems should be handled OOC and you need to sit down with her and talk like adults.
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2016-03-05, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Problematic player help (?)
The best advice has already been said.
Put on the grown-up pants and talk it out like grownups. Have the conversation with the whole group present, but make sure beforehand that everyone knows this isn't an attack on the player's personal character (the kind each person has, not the kind on their sheet.) It is a moment to express concerns about behavior. But at the same time, that behavior absolutely doesn't mesh with the rest of the group. So the behavior can change, or the player can look for a better group for their playstyle. There is no option C.
But again, everyone present must act like grownups and treat eachother with respect and dignity. Otherwise you have a screaming match. Make sure to call people out on being disrespectful.
"Excuse me, that was blatantly disrespectful and we all agreed to be respectful."
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2016-03-06, 04:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Problematic player help (?)
OOC communication. Make sure everyone is on the same page regarding what the game is about and how it should progress. Anything else is likely to make things worse.
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2016-03-06, 04:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Problematic player help (?)
One more for the dog-pile.
Talk to the player out of the game and if she's unwilling to compromise then give her the boot, show her the door, tell her to kick rocks, and not to get butt prints on your doorknob when it hits her on the way out.
Chaotic stupid jerkwads are -not- good players. If they're reasonable people that are willing to compromise they can -become- good players. They're not worth your time if they're not willing to compromise, possibly in life and certainly in such a highly structured, social activity as TT gaming.I am not seaweed. That's a B.
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2016-03-06, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Problematic player help (?)
I must ask: what ARE the consequences of her actions?
In general though, all players must accept that their actions have consequences, that is a basic premise of a roleplaying game (and life in general). So if she can't, and refuse to change after several conversations, the only thing you can do is drop her from the game.
Sometimes, not playing with a person is the best choice you can make.
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2016-03-06, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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This can be a good option, but generally only if you talked to the player OOC and they agreed that the problem is partly in their character, and they could be a better player when using a new character. Then you can organize a spectacular send-off.
But as the rest said, from the way you're describing it it sounds like a player problem, first sit down and talk about it.The Hindsight Awards, results: See the best movies of 1999!
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2016-03-06, 06:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Problematic player help (?)
There might be some dissonance between how you see the behaviour and how the player sees the behaviour. You might see "abrasive" where she sees "cocky but charming".
A way of approaching this might be to rewind a scene and give her the part of the NPC to play while you reprise her character's words and actions (verbatim, if you can).
It will let her see the character's behaviour from an outside perspective and might temper future interactions.
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2016-03-06, 09:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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