Magic the Gathering XXII: Where Puns Go to Die

[ChaosOS]

You don't need to leverage her mana cost all that much to get her same price as Ulamog; You're probably going to have creature for free, so all you need is to draw any 2 of map, GQ, or your removal spells. She's harder to kill (Pro instants = Pro Path to Exile, the main removal spell for anything big in modern). As for bodies, 13/13 flample honestly does more than the 10/10 ulamog body since you should already be pressuring their life total by the time you cast her, making her a 1 swing kill rather than 2. Finally her cast trigger is way more capable of pulling you back from games you're behind in compared to the always exile 2. Any game where you probably can't get any more done than run a manland into her you're probably going to win anyways.

[Tvtyrant]

I'm still working on my custom set, I am currently working on some cantrips. I remember reading that WotC decided that adding a draw to another spell was worth two mana, and scry 2 was worth 1 mana. Does anyone know if that is correct, and which article that was in?

An example of a card I am using, a fixed cantrip which combines what is basically a 0 cost effect with a scry, and can be kicked to cantrip. I was thinking of reversing it so it automatically drew a card, and you could kick it to scry 2 (since scrying before a draw is much stronger then after).

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Edit: I think I prefer the draw be attached and kick for the scry.
It makes the card way more versatile:
Tap an enemies creature, draw a card.
Untap a different colored land and draw a card for free color fixing.
Untap a land on turn 2 when kicking, acts exactly like a serum visions.

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[Fable Wright]

Edit: I think I prefer the draw be attached and kick for the scry.
It makes the card way more versatile:
Tap an enemies creature, draw a card.
Untap a different colored land and draw a card for free color fixing.
Untap a land on turn 2 when kicking, acts exactly like a serum visions.

I just want you to consider for a moment that Pressure Point is 2-mana Instant. These are a bit pushed for Wizards' present design paradigm.

[Tvtyrant]

I just want you to consider for a moment that Pressure Point is 2-mana Instant. These are a bit pushed for Wizards' present design paradigm.

I know, I prefer older set design to the current one. Counterspell, lightning bolt, preordain and the like were all perfectly fine in standard.

The set I am designing doesn't actually use any of those, and eschews hard counters entirely but it is a little lower to the ground then current standard by design.


Edit: My idea for a better Prey Upon below. There is a flag of each color, based on the sets military theme.

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[Bucky]

Green Flag is outside of the bounds of reasonable for a one mana cantrip. Even by old set standards it should cost 3+; compare to Flare.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Green Flag is outside of the bounds of reasonable for a one mana cantrip. Even by old set standards it should cost 3+; compare to Flare.

In fairness Flare isn't an especially good card. Still, I'm in agreement: it's FAR too strong, especially in a color where that fight means it's a 1-mana creature removal plus a draw.

A one-card draw is worth about 1 mana. You can sometimes tag another effect on: giving a creature flying or a spell flash, for example. Scrying 2 and drawing a card for 1 mana at Sorcery speed is an INCREDIBLE cantrip.

Sticking good removal on it is frankly insane. Giving trample, on the other hand, would probably be fine...although I'm still concerned about cheap card draw in a color that has the potential to get as many big threats as Green can manage.

[Fable Wright]

Sticking good removal on it is frankly insane. Giving trample, on the other hand, would probably be fine...although I'm still concerned about cheap card draw in a color that has the potential to get as many big threats as Green can manage.

Hm. Come to think of it, a 1 mana cantrip that reads 'target creature you control must be blocked this turn if able' might be an acceptable cantrip, though it's pushing it.

[Tvtyrant]

What if I gave it "if your creature dies, draw a card?" Then it cuts out the card advantage of you use a bigger creature.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Hm. Come to think of it, a 1 mana cantrip that reads 'target creature you control must be blocked this turn if able' might be an acceptable cantrip, though it's pushing it.

I'd put that at 2, personally. Locking a creature out from blocking is a cantrip (don't recall the name, but I believe it's red?), but forcing a block is still pretty strong.

What if I gave it "if your creature dies, draw a card?" Then it cuts out the card advantage of you use a bigger creature.

That's better, although less useful. But that's definitely a cantrip.

[Tvtyrant]

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Red flag is going to be difficult, since red does very little but removal or land destruction. What are some thoughts on making it around the same power as the others?


Hydra legendary.

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[Bucky]

I'd put that at 2, personally. Locking a creature out from blocking is a cantrip (don't recall the name, but I believe it's red?), but forcing a block is still pretty strong.

Originally Panic, now Renegade Tactics.

[Tvtyrant]

Hm. Come to think of it, a 1 mana cantrip that reads 'target creature you control must be blocked this turn if able' might be an acceptable cantrip, though it's pushing it.

This already exists.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...verseid=416940

[Dhavaer]

I make deck. I'm uncertain about the mana base, though. The deck is Esper, but there's nothing coloured that doesn't require white until CMC 6. I put in part-white dual lands because that's the colour I need most, but should I have more blue-black dual lands, so I can't have my only blue source, say, also be my only white source when I need to cast Reflector Mage? I've never done a shard base outside Commander before.

[Techwarrior]

Alright, I have a question about a specific scenario.

I own an Outpost Siege having chosen the dragons effect.

I'm enchanted by a curse that gives all my creatures -1/-1

I place a 1/1 creature onto the battlefield.

What happens?

[tonberrian]

Alright, I have a question about a specific scenario.

I own an Outpost Siege having chosen the dragons effect.

I'm enchanted by a curse that gives all my creatures -1/-1

I place a 1/1 creature onto the battlefield.

What happens?

Hits the battlefield, then dies state-based, then Outpost Siege triggers. This is pretty cut-and-dry. However brief its existence, the creature still hits the battlefield, then dies because it has zero toughness. You'd have similar results playing a clone that doesn't clone anything, or a 0/0 hydra that enters with X +1/+1 counters where X is 0.

[Shadow of the Sun]

Does anyone here on the forums have an opinion about the reversion of the Standard rotation back to the old way?

While I think the reversion is a good thing (players get more use out of their cards, etc), I kind of liked the possibility of faster changing metagames with the more frequent rotations.

[ImperiousLeader]

Does anyone here on the forums have an opinion about the reversion of the Standard rotation back to the old way?

While I think the reversion is a good thing (players get more use out of their cards, etc), I kind of liked the possibility of faster changing metagames with the more frequent rotations.

I don't play Standard, so I guess my main concern is that if an exceedingly broken card gets out, it'll take longer to rotate it out. That and I'll have to wait longer to pick up the new hotness cards for my EDH decks.

Which is really what I'm hyped about. Spoilers for the four-colour Commander set have hit and ... I'm giggling. So many options, just the new partnered commanders allow 105 new options, adding the new 4 colour legendaries ...

[Mystic Muse]

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http://mythicspoiler.com/c16/cards/atraxapraetorsvoice.html This is pretty much everything I wanted out of a WUBG Commander.

[Ionbound]

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So I know what deck I'm going to build that's going to make everyone hate me...

[Mystic Muse]

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So I know what deck I'm going to build that's going to make everyone hate me...

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What deck? I'm curious. =3

[Ionbound]

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What deck? I'm curious. =3

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4C Infect. There hasn't really been a good general for Infect until now...But man, Atraxa is going to make me loose friends.

[Mystic Muse]

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4C Infect. There hasn't really been a good general for Infect until now...But man, Atraxa is going to make me loose friends.

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What, no love for Skithiryx?

[Ionbound]

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Can't run Blighted Agent and Triumph of the Horde in Skittles. But he'll definitely be making an appearance.

[ryuplaneswalker]

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4C Infect. There hasn't really been a good general for Infect until now...But man, Atraxa is going to make me loose friends.

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Nothing says "I hate my friends" like Planeswalkers and Infect with Proliferate.

In other news OMG FLANKING FLLAAAANKKIIINGG!

[ImperiousLeader]

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So I know what deck I'm going to build that's going to make everyone hate me...

LOL. I love this one too, but I was going to go

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for Experience and Planeswalkers. I've wanted to run Ezuri and Meren together since I saw them, and my attempts in Sultai have never gotten past the design stage. Still, Infect is definitely a good idea.

[ryuplaneswalker]

LOL. I love this one too, but I was going to go

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for Experience and Planeswalkers. I've wanted to run Ezuri and Meren together since I saw them, and my attempts in Sultai have never gotten past the design stage. Still, Infect is definitely a good idea.

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You speak as if Ezuri isn't good with infect anyways :P

[ImperiousLeader]

Point taken.

[Ninjaman]

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http://mythicspoiler.com/c16/cards/atraxapraetorsvoice.html This is pretty much everything I wanted out of a WUBG Commander.

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Abzan and simic counter synergy in the same deck?

[Mystic Muse]

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Abzan and simic counter synergy in the same deck?

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Actually, there's more to it than that.

1. I like White Phyrexians
2. Angel Horror is a petty cool type.
3. Its abilities are so broad, my opponents won't have a good idea of what I'm doing with the deck.
4. It's my favorite general strategy, but isn't just "token commander with bonus counter spells."
5. She looks awesome.

[ImperiousLeader]

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Um ... I need to lie down now.