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    Default Could Belkar identify TMitD by scent?

    Belkar could identify Nale easily by scent. Has Belkar smelt the monster in the darkness yet? I wonder if that would allow Belkar to know what type of critter is under the umbrella.

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    Default Re: Could Belkar identify TMitD by scent?

    Generally speaking the "The" is implied, so just MitD
    Grey Wolf would be a better person to ask this, but given how MitD looks to be an obscure (or at least rare) entity, I imagine that smelling him wouldn't help identify his species. Further complicating matters is that MitD may well be a shapeshifting species (and possibly one that changes scent as well).
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    Default Re: Could Belkar identify TMitD by scent?

    Belkar has been in the presence of MitD, so I'm guessing he would recognize his scent if he came across it again, yes, just like he recognized Nale's.

    But I take it you mean to ask if Belkar could identify the species of MitD from the smell? Doubt it, because it's Belkar. Just like Xykon, Belkar really doesn't much care about such things. All he cares about is whether if bleeds when he stabs them, and how much it hurts them when he does. The likelihood is that Belkar had never come across the smell before, and even if he had studied strange monsters (and he would have not), books tend not to come with scratch-and-smell margin notes.

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    Default Re: Could Belkar identify TMitD by scent?

    I think at the very least we can rule out undead. Belkar would know that at least (and likely would say something about that) since they are his main favoured enemy that we know of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle_Man View Post
    I think at the very least we can rule out undead. Belkar would know that at least (and likely would say something about that) since they are his main favoured enemy that we know of.
    In fairness, that hasn't been explicitly stated. Just heavily implied, what with his hatred of line about how "I spent months trapped behind enemy lines where the only things I was allowed to kill were undead. So I’ve gotten pretty good at it, really."

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    Default Re: Could Belkar identify TMitD by scent?

    Undead are his favored enemy? I always assumed it was humans or something. or maybe kobolds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Belkar has been in the presence of MitD, so I'm guessing he would recognize his scent if he came across it again, yes, just like he recognized Nale's.

    But I take it you mean to ask if Belkar could identify the species of MitD from the smell? Doubt it, because it's Belkar. Just like Xykon, Belkar really doesn't much care about such things. All he cares about is whether if bleeds when he stabs them, and how much it hurts them when he does. The likelihood is that Belkar had never come across the smell before, and even if he had studied strange monsters (and he would have not), books tend not to come with scratch-and-smell margin notes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalFailure View Post
    Undead are his favored enemy? I always assumed it was humans or something. or maybe kobolds
    They probably weren't when he met MiTD but based on the most of a year where he could only kill undead they became it IIUC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalFailure View Post
    Undead are his favored enemy? I always assumed it was humans or something. or maybe kobolds
    Rangers can have multiple. We tend to assume humanoids are definitely one of them, but as per Belkar's comment, now also undead.

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    What I am hearing is that there is a market niche waiting to be filled.
    There are scratch-and-sniff books for children, so it's not as empty a niche as you might have thought.

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    Yes, Belkar could identify MitD by scent. Next time he smells him, he'll think "There's that MitD again!"
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    Default Re: Could Belkar identify TMitD by scent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Rangers can have multiple. We tend to assume humanoids are definitely one of them, but as per Belkar's comment, now also undead.

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    Actually, he has three.
    Undead, Humanoids and Y*ky*ks.
    An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hroþila View Post
    Yes, Belkar could identify MitD by scent. Next time he smells him, he'll think "There's that MitD again!"
    This! Presumably he might also be able to identify MitD if he meets and smells an unmasked example of the same creature. I have pretty good eyesight, and can tell one human from another by how they look (as Belkar can by scent), but I can't identify either the names of people I've never met, or the species of creatures I've never encountered, just by looking at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    Actually, he has three.
    Undead, Humanoids and Y*ky*ks.
    I always thought, he had one type of favorite enemy. "Everything that's not Belkar"

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    Quote Originally Posted by hroþila View Post
    Yes, Belkar could identify MitD by scent. Next time he smells him, he'll think "There's that MitD again!"
    Bingo!

    As already stated, the MitD is probably rare enough that even a skilled scent tracker like a lycanthrope ranger is probably just going to say "Never smelled the likes of you before or since. And I will know you if we ever met again."

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    Default Re: Could Belkar identify TMitD by scent?

    Considering identifying something requires personal experience in game, or a Knowledge skill, unless MitD is a super common monster whose kind Belkar has already encountered during his adventuring times, I believe the Belkster can't identify MitD even with a full view and the page from the monster manual

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalFailure View Post
    Undead are his favored enemy? I always assumed it was humans or something. or maybe kobolds
    I’ve always assumed Belkar’s favored enemy was Halflings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Rangers can have multiple. We tend to assume humanoids are definitely one of them, but as per Belkar's comment, now also undead.
    ......

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    Then again, in keeping with Belkar's established characterization of "not being very good at being a Ranger", does he know he can choose favored enemies? Or was he disappointed when he couldn't choose "the world" and so is just holding onto his cards, so to speak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Paul View Post
    Then again, in keeping with Belkar's established characterization of "not being very good at being a Ranger", does he know he can choose favored enemies? Or was he disappointed when he couldn't choose "the world" and so is just holding onto his cards, so to speak?
    He strongly implied that the undead are his favored enemies (presumably Haley told him to pick undead as his favored enemy during the 3 1/2 months in Azure City to make him more effective).

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    Default Re: Could Belkar identify TMitD by scent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Paul View Post
    Then again, in keeping with Belkar's established characterization of "not being very good at being a Ranger", does he know he can choose favored enemies? Or was he disappointed when he couldn't choose "the world" and so is just holding onto his cards, so to speak?
    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    He strongly implied that the undead are his favored enemies (presumably Haley told him to pick undead as his favored enemy during the 3 1/2 months in Azure City to make him more effective).
    Here's his statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    He strongly implied that the undead are his favored enemies (presumably Haley told him to pick undead as his favored enemy during the 3 1/2 months in Azure City to make him more effective).
    Haley may not have had to tell him. She could just suggest (assuming he didn't figure it out on his own) that he is still allowed to kill undead, so why not take advantage of his class ability to be better at killing undead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle_Man View Post
    Haley may not have had to tell him. She could just suggest (assuming he didn't figure it out on his own) that he is still allowed to kill undead, so why not take advantage of his class ability to be better at killing undead?
    Belkar was already aware he could kill undead.

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    He even developed a supernatural ability that makes the enemy vomit warm summer days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    He even developed a supernatural ability that makes the enemy vomit warm summer days.
    Vomiting warm summer days is the result of an extraordinary ability, fyi.
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