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    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    MindFlayer

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    Default Ability Minimum Level Precedents

    So its come to my decision that certain abilities shouldn't appear earlier than certain levels. Immunities are a big culprit. So I thought I'd make a chart showing the First level where an ability should be available.

    MIN LEVELS
    Level Abilty
    1st 0-level spells, 1st level spellcasting, Sneak Attack Xd6 at level (2X-1)
    2nd Evasion
    3rd 2nd level spellcasting
    4th -
    5th 3rd level spellcasting
    6th -
    7th 4th level spellcasting
    8th -
    9th 5th level spellcasting
    10th -
    11th 6th level spellcasting
    12th -
    13th 7th level spellcasting
    14th -
    15th 8th level spellcasting
    16th -
    17th 9th level spellcasting
    18th -
    19th -
    20th -
    Last edited by Lanth Sor; 2016-06-23 at 09:56 PM.

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    Ogre in the Playground
     
    ElfPirate

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    Feb 2008

    Default Re: Ability Minimum Level Precedents

    There are a few classes which get Evasion at 2nd level - rogues and monks most obviously. Is there a reason to change that to 3rd?

    All 2nd level (+) spells aren't made alike. The tiefling & aasimar racial abilities to call up light & darkness once a day aren't out of line at 1st level IME.

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    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    BardGuy

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    Default Re: Ability Minimum Level Precedents

    I suspect that a big reason that evasion and uncanny dodge aren't available at first level for rogues is to prevent dips. Neither ability is too powerful for a first-level character; they just shouldn't be available to most other classes without a serious multiclass investment. If a game did not allow multiclassing, I'd have no problem giving those to rogues at first level.

    The one thing that I can think of offhand that should be restricted away from extremely low-level characters entirely (not just to prevent dips) is damage reduction. That probably shouldn't show up until level four at the earliest.

    Actually, another thing is flight. It completely negates so many obstacles and encounters that it should not be available until level five or so. Yes, I know some races, even low race point races, get it at level one. I think that is broken.

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    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    MindFlayer

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    Jan 2013

    Default Re: Ability Minimum Level Precedents

    Evasion level 3 was an oversight I did it from memory not looking at the class. And the spells refers to generic spell casting ability, not independent spell-likes. The list is intended for generic class design as a guide to avoid bad practices.
    Last edited by Lanth Sor; 2016-06-22 at 03:36 PM.

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    Default Re: Ability Minimum Level Precedents

    Sneak Attack Xd6 at level (2X-1)?

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