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Thread: Warlock and Metamagic
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Warlock and Metamagic
Eldritch blast is a spell-like ability.
It's eternally lvl 1 (see errata).
When you use shape and essense invocations, its effective level increases.
So... how the _frick_ does the meta-(spell-like ability) feats work with lock?
Can you seriously just go max/empower/quicken etc at like lvl 6 and just completely steamroll stuff?
Explain please.My Work:
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Re: Warlock and Metamagic
Spell-like abilities aren't spells, you can't apply metamagic feats to them.
There are similar feats for spell-like abilities, though. Empower Spell-like Ability and Quicken Spell-like Ability, for instance. I think Complete Arcane has Maximize Spell-like Ability in it, as well.Last edited by Jasdoif; 2007-06-29 at 02:15 AM.
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Re: Warlock and Metamagic
Metamagic feats that increase the level of a SLA won't work with it. (C. Arcane)
Thus, you can use Sudden Maximize on an EB, but you can't use Maximize Spell on it. (Again, C. Arcane)Last edited by Solo; 2007-06-29 at 02:23 AM.
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Re: Warlock and Metamagic
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Read post more carefully?
I said "meta-(spell-like ability)". I am aware of that much, you didn't really answer my question at all.My Work:
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Re: Warlock and Metamagic
Oh, in that case, if you would bother to read the description of a meta SLA feat, it will tell everything you need to know.
Basically, you have to be a certain level before you can apply your meta SLA feat to your SLA
Edit: Why is the thread called "Warlocks and Metamagic" if you aren't talking about metamagic?Last edited by Solo; 2007-06-29 at 02:30 AM.
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Re: Warlock and Metamagic
Oh. Weird, I've never heard them referred to as "meta-spell-like-ability" feats before.
Anyway, take a look at the feats. You need to have a specific caster level based on the equivalent spell level to take a feat, as mentioned in the feat's text. A basic eldritch blast is always considered a 1st-level equivalent, like you said, with a caster level equal to your warlock level; so you'd need to be level 6 to take Empower Spell-Like Ability with it, and level 10 to take Quicken Spell-Like Ability with it. However, if an invocation increases the effective spell level of your eldritch blast, you'll need sufficient caster level for that spell level to use the feat with it.
You can use each feat three times per day. I don't believe you can combine multiple such feats (so you can't quicken and empower the same eldritch blast).
For reference, I'll quote the FAQ:Originally Posted by FAQLast edited by Jasdoif; 2007-06-29 at 02:32 AM.
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Re: Warlock and Metamagic
I got sorta ninja'd, I was replaying to the guy that posted above you and had alot less useful information.
and "Warlock and Meta-Spell-like Ability" seemed kinda an ackward title.My Work:
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Re: Warlock and Metamagic
You could.
Here's a lot of good warlock info you may want, though.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=751117
My own warlock build is focused on UMD and crafting scrolls.Last edited by Solo; 2007-06-29 at 02:45 AM.